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Maybe he's talking about the pitot probes.

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F-117A?

Never heard of it.

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F-117A?

Never heard of it.

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So let's see. We have the following military pilots on here that I can think of.

F-15 aka Mach
F-16 aka Bull F16
A-10 aka Bull F16
F-117 aka ScottS
U-2 not sure screen name
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
CH-47 can't remember his screen name
AH-64 can't remember his screen name
UH-60 can't remember his screen name
CH-46 can't remember his screen name

I thought there was an F-4 pilot as well. I also thought we had a 160th SOAR pilot.

Who did I miss?

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Didn't CMJohnson fly F-16s?

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Loud as fuck.

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Follow the trail.  
It ties in with the F-20 Tigershark, the F-19 designation, the missing F-11 designation and the "official" designations of the Soviet aircraft the USAF operated.

Start here.
http://www.designation-systems.net/usmilav/nonstandard-mds.html

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Obviously you have never heard an F-105 with its burner at max power

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No idea why it was given a Fighter designation. Anyone?

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It's a badass jet. I was young during the first Gulf War but I remember thinking how cool it was we actually had stealth planes.

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Ok, ScottS. Anything else I need to add?

Updated again.

F-15 aka Mach
A-10 / F-16 aka Bull F16
F-4 / F-117 / F-15 aka ScottS
F-4 aka Rodent
U-2 not sure screen name
F-18 aka Vallerhu
F-16 aka Powerstroke1999
EF-111 aka Sparkvark
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII
AH-64 can't remember his screen name
UH-60 can't remember his screen name
CH-46 aka H46Driver

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Because Air Force

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Back in the 80's I was a kid in Hawthorne, NV. Place is surrounded by a huge early cold-war-era weapons depot (Navy then Army), tons of military land and facilities. The town is just a mile square of little houses in a hot, dusty place. People either work on the Base, at nearby mines, local community services, or collect a check in some....other fashion. I was an aircraft buff from day one like any other American kid, and did enough traveling around the state with my pops to see a lot of military stuff in action.
etcetcetc

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It's the "buy whatever the fuck cool stuff you want to for the flying club" doctrine.

We spent billions to develop new technology, then wasted it on Saddam and Kosovo.

Epic boondoggle.

Only slightly more useful than women in the infantry.

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Do people make the same gripe about the 'vark?

It's an F designation not used as a fighter at all, afaik.  It got an air to air kill in Desert Storm by getting an Iraqi pilot to dig himself a whole in the desert.

I wonder how many guys on the ground would have rather gone into Kuwait in '91 without the air campaign that was literally lead by the 117.

I get inter-service rivalry. I get budget griping.  But let's not be revisionist faggots.  The 117 was a huge success and saved the lives of American soldiers and Marines.

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Updated again.

F-15 aka Mach
A-10 / F-16 aka Bull F16
F-4 / F-117 aka ScottS
F-4 aka Rodent
U-2 not sure screen name
F-18 aka Vallerhu
F-16 aka Powerstroke1999
EF-111 aka Sparkvark
AH-1 aka Snake Driver
OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII
AH-64 can't remember his screen name
UH-60 can't remember his screen name
CH-46 aha H46Driver

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On a side note, I knew some of those guys at the radar sight. { It was Ford Aerospace if I remember correctly}.
I flew ultralights in those days and asked one of the radar techs once if my little ragwing was visible on his scope.
He said it was, barely, but that I was not the focus of their interest.

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Do people make the same gripe about the 'vark?

It's an F designation not used as a fighter at all, afaik.  It got an air to air kill in Desert Storm by getting an Iraqi pilot to dig himself a whole in the desert.

I wonder how many guys on the ground would have rather gone into Kuwait in '91 without the air campaign that was literally lead by the 117.

I get inter-service rivalry. I get budget griping.  But let's not be revisionist faggots.  The 117 was a huge success and saved the lives of American soldiers and Marines.

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CFII was an OH-58 driver and now flies CH-47s.

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The U-2 driver has posted in this thread.  There's some heavy drivers on arfcom, too.  Two E-3 pilots , at least one C-5 pilot, and I believe a KC-135 pilot. Might even have a C-17 pilot, too.

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CFII was an OH-58 driver and now flies CH-47s.

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Back in the 80's I was a kid in Hawthorne, NV. Place is surrounded by a huge early cold-war-era weapons depot (Navy then Army), tons of military land and facilities. The town is just a mile square of little houses in a hot, dusty place. People either work on the Base, at nearby mines, local community services, or collect a check in some....other fashion. I was an aircraft buff from day one like any other American kid, and did enough traveling around the state with my pops to see a lot of military stuff in action.

Some time around, oh, maybe '83-'85 window, a small USAF contingent showed up in town and had a small compound in Babbitt (enlisted/worker town, no longer extant) that consisted of a few white trailers and antenna arrays. The Base always had various "odd" military members using various bits of the facilities, so this wasn't a big deal. The personnel were radar techies and the like, and became members of the local community for a few years. One of them, "Mr. B", came to our church and even helped out with the little private school there. He brought a few of us through the radar trailers on a school field trip, totally awesome green tubed gear. Just a regular guy.

I paid attention to anything that flew - in that kind of isolated town you had to have interests or else risk running amok with your life. Around '85 or so, I started seeing a single aircraft fly over town at night east-west at a mid-elevation (probably ~5000-7000 AGL thinking back). Nothing obviously out of the ordinary, clearly military but not a super-fast mover like the guys out of Fallon. A couple of wingtip lights and a center red strobe IIRC. I slept outside a lot, so I'd see it frequently. In 1988 this thing started flying over town in the daytime, with a white T-38 chase in fairly close formation. Looked like an arrowhead, and was obviously a bit larger than the T-38. It was really exciting, and I can remember sketching it after I saw it the first time. Well, within a couple weeks it was making regular appearances and I started keeping track. I had a local sectional chart (to go with the hanging plastic models, balsa flyers, posters, and constant begging the local CAP guys to let me join as a cadet early), and it was easy work with a watch and compass to get times and flight paths plotted. Within a couple more weeks I had a daily schedule worked up with the flight path variations within visual range. It got to the point where I could say when and where the thing would appear, and where it would exit visual.

Some time (months, maybe) went by, but I distinctly remember running into "Mr. B" one morning while I was out delivering my papers and he was jogging around the town perimeter.
"He's USAF," I thought. "He'll be just as excited about this strange aircraft as I am!"
When I proceeded to lay it all out to Mr. B, and show him my little folded up schedule in my pocket, he seemed amused but not particularly engaged on the topic. I just could not understand why he wasn't all jazzed about it. I mean, this was an epic adventure for an 11 year old kid stuck in a desert town 2.5 hours away from the nearest shopping mall. Mr. B never brought it up again, and we ended up moving away a little over two years later. It wasn't long after that, however, that the T-38 started getting dropped from the flights, and the pattern become completely random. After a year or so of this, I stopped seeing it, and pretty soon the Testor's 1:32 scale model was hanging in my room along with every scrap of info I could get on Groom Lake. The USAF group ended up leaving soon as well, but I don't remember the timing exactly on that. Pretty sure at this point that their sole purpose was a test node for the program.

Now there is just sand and desert shrubs where the compound and white trailers were, and hopefully some other kid is running my paper route and dreaming of a larger world.  

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After, too.

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Lots of stories floated around from farmers and other living around the Smoky Hill bomb range outside Salina about funny looking triangular shaped black planes flying in and out of the range back in the early 80's before they F117 was made public.

From some people I know stationed at Nellis F117 might not be as retired as what folks have been lead to believe, apparently they're still seen flying over the bomb range at times.  

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Oh yeah. Wasn't NapoleonTanerite a C-17 pilot?

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Updated again.



F-15 aka Mach

A-10 / F-16 aka Bull F16

F-4 / F-117 aka ScottS

F-4 aka Rodent

U-2 not sure screen name

F-18 aka Vallerhu

F-16 aka Powerstroke1999

AH-1 aka Snake Driver

OH-58D / CH-47 aka CFII

AH-64 can't remember his screen name

UH-60 can't remember his screen name

CH-46 aha H46Driver

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Do people make the same gripe about the 'vark?

It's an F designation not used as a fighter at all, afaik.  It got an air to air kill in Desert Storm by getting an Iraqi pilot to dig himself a whole in the desert.

I wonder how many guys on the ground would have rather gone into Kuwait in '91 without the air campaign that was literally lead by the 117.

I get inter-service rivalry. I get budget griping.  But let's not be revisionist faggots.  The 117 was a huge success and saved the lives of American soldiers and Marines.

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Wasted on Panama, not on Iraq or Kosovo.  Unlike the US, eastern bloc armies put high quality folks in ADA

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We don't invest in ADA, because, FW pilots and their outdated aircraft that would be rendered obsolete by a real tactical missile force and ADA.

We have divested 90% of SHORAD, because, Stealth.

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So, SAMs and ADA are so effective that the Army won't buy any?