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Posted: 1/9/2011 7:54:55 PM EDT

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It will end at the bottom of pg 99.

4950 posts/thread max.

Posted: 1/9/2011 7:57:54 PM EDT

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Posted: 1/9/2011 7:58:57 PM EDT

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Fucking really?

Posted: 1/9/2011 7:59:47 PM EDT

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<tastless image snipped>

Ha! You're a fucking laugh riot.

Hope you enjoyed your stay.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:00:41 PM EDT

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Jesus man

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:00:53 PM EDT

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bad pic up there, delete that shit. (thanks for deleting...)

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:01:01 PM EDT

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Personaly Id ban you for life if I could.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:01:11 PM EDT

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tact

–noun

1.

a keen sense of what to say or do to avoid giving offense;skill in dealing with difficult or delicate situations.

2.

a keen sense of what is appropriate, tasteful, or aestheticallypleasing; taste; discrimination.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:02:57 PM EDT

[#9]

too soon

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:03:08 PM EDT

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When this thread reaches 100 pages and is shut down, the first post on page 1 of the next thread should be a list of everyone that was given a time out or banned.

I don't have a lot of faith in my fellow humans, but this thread is lowering even my already low expectations.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:04:03 PM EDT

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Dude, you're retarded if you think that was appropriate, or funny.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:06:27 PM EDT

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They have succeeded in framing this to their advantage. They have done so in such a way that in order to refute that, you get dragged down into political thoery where people fundamentally disagree.

The Mein Kampf reference means he was Conservative. Right. And as soon as you point out Hitler was a socialist and used socialism to estasblish totalitarianism you lose. The programming doesn't allow them to even consider such a thing. The media would need to report all these inconvienent facts about who this guy was. Our media doesn't report facts anymore.

At this point, Keith Olberman could go on a shooting spree and they could spin him into a Tea Partier.

History not your strong point? Hitler was not a socialist. He was a fascist. Facists believe in the private ownership of industry, but government exerts a strong influence over industry. Fascism is generally anti-trade union and Hitler banned trade unions except for the official German Labour Front. Hitler was anti-socialist and strongly anti-communist.

The name of his political party was just a name. Do you believe that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a Democratic Nation? (Hint: You might better know this country as NORTH KOREA).

This guy is a schizophrenic wingnut. His political leanings are no more important than his taste in food.

Well i'm kind of confused about the anti-capitalism parts of the Nazi platform as well as all of Hitler's quotes espousing national socialist ideals (you know the sacrifices of the individual for the benefit of the State) and the basis of his party's platform- Feder's 25 points ( which won him so much public support). His appeal was to the working class and a return to the romantic ideal of a Germany before 1914 (which was heavily influenced by socialist thought) and the use of slave labor. What he started out as and what he became might be two different things, but his roots are in the Socialist movement. It has been said that he borrowed much from Marx' and Engels' literature for material in his speeches. Marx and Hitler were both heavily anti-semitic.Like so many other tyrants, when you reach the pinnacle, you might seek to limit your competition to that power (see Stalin). Maybe that could explain why he sought to eliminate the trade unions, arrest and imprison all of their leaders as well as institute his own union, the German Labour Front, once he became de Fuhrer (one that he could trust not to be a source of agitation)

Might be able to see a parallel with China's State Capitalism and Corporatism as the guiding influence of their 'capitalist' practice. You know that third way. Mussolini was a devout socialist before coming up with the Third Way. What they all do share is authoritarianism and nationalism as the basic structure for their regimes. Fascism has more in common with socialism than it does with laissez-faire capitalism. Its a collectivist philosophy.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:07:17 PM EDT

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Dude, you're retarded if you think that was appropriate, or funny.

I have a very dark and demented sense of humor. I even cringed at that. Too soon.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:09:57 PM EDT

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I just found out about this...
Can someone give me a summary of the last 96 (!!!!!!) pages!? I don't feel like reading through tons and tons of commentary, just to get an ounce of fact about what happened.

I read the first couple pages of the thread, and it was mostly conjecture. Is there more of a consensus of what really happened here?

glad you're ok dude. how'd you end up in a coma?

I'm in the same boat, Directv's been out and I listen to my ipod in the car. Just saw this thread about 10 mins ago.

same here... i was at a cabin out of town all weekend and just now saw this on the news when my movie / DVD ended...

i would like to learn more about the shooter- particularly motive and political leanings... i can tell hes mentally fucked- but does this have something to do with the AZ immigration bill? was he a lefty ?

so far all i can find in this thread is people asking for links, and people arguing whether hitler was a socialist or not.

what do we know about the shooter so far ??????

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:10:28 PM EDT

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Too soon.

Sorry if I offended anyone, she's going to be okay.. didn't see the harm in a little relief/humor.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:11:17 PM EDT

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Too soon.

Sorry if I offended anyone, she's going to be okay.. didn't see the harm in a little relief/humor.

Its all good man. Glad you took it down though.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:12:10 PM EDT

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Too soon.

Sorry if I offended anyone, she's going to be okay.. didn't see the harm in a little relief/humor.

Define "OK" for me.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:13:18 PM EDT

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They have succeeded in framing this to their advantage. They have done so in such a way that in order to refute that, you get dragged down into political thoery where people fundamentally disagree.

The Mein Kampf reference means he was Conservative. Right. And as soon as you point out Hitler was a socialist and used socialism to estasblish totalitarianism you lose. The programming doesn't allow them to even consider such a thing. The media would need to report all these inconvienent facts about who this guy was. Our media doesn't report facts anymore.

At this point, Keith Olberman could go on a shooting spree and they could spin him into a Tea Partier.

History not your strong point? Hitler was not a socialist. He was a fascist. Facists believe in the private ownership of industry, but government exerts a strong influence over industry. Fascism is generally anti-trade union and Hitler banned trade unions except for the official German Labour Front. Hitler was anti-socialist and strongly anti-communist.

The name of his political party was just a name. Do you believe that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a Democratic Nation? (Hint: You might better know this country as NORTH KOREA).

This guy is a schizophrenic wingnut. His political leanings are no more important than his taste in food.

Blimey - the first American I have met on here who gets the whole Hitler/Nazi/Socialism thing, and can effectively articulate the point.

Honestly... well done that man.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim Hitler was a socialist before.

He was about as far right as you can get. It was funny he didn't care for Benito even though they were about one in the same.

The claim has been made for decades (lots of them). Fascism and Nazism have more similarities than not. Mussolini and Hitler both had their beginnings in Socialist movements.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:14:51 PM EDT

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talk about a derailed motherfucking thread. what does hitler and socialism have to do with this case? can you take it elsewhere so we dont get this thread locked once it hits 99 or 100 pages ?

do we know if the shooter was a lefty or his motives yet ?

was she trying to repeal the healthcare bill ?

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:17:57 PM EDT

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Only a couple more pages on this thread.
Lets keep it as good as it's been. Things that are said here will be repeated some other place for sure.
Tomorrow will most likely bring a linked thread and we don't need any shit spots to be resurrected at some other time to make us look like shitheads. Thanks.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:29:21 PM EDT

[#21]

I'm not reading this entire thread, so I'll just leave my $.2 and be done with it.

The shooter will most certainly face the death penalty. I have no problem with this, and I'll volunteer to do the job for substantially less than the cost of the three chemicals the they will most likely kill him with; free. The fact that Congresswoman Gifford is still alive is a testament to the will, strength and resiliency of the human spirit and body. While Congresswoman Gifford getting shot is a tragedy in itself, we must remember the other people that were shot and injured in the shooting. Christina-Taylor Green was 9 years old, and had never hurt a soul. Being a new father, I can only imagine how it feels to have a child taken.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:30:00 PM EDT

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talk about a derailed motherfucking thread. what does hitler and socialism have to do with this case? can you take it elsewhere so we dont get this thread locked once it hits 99 or 100 pages ?

do we know if the shooter was a lefty or his motives yet ?

was she trying to repeal the healthcare bill ?

They were natural progressions of the discussion as it was discovered that the shooter listed Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto as some of his favorite books.

Questioning his motives is actually what brought politics to the discussion.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:30:24 PM EDT

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Anyone else amused that Yahoo mentions the CCW'er by name in a single sentence, but mentions this intern & old lady during the whole article?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110110/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot_heroes_5

P.S.

Anyone have any Youtube links to people talking about new gun control now? I find those humorous.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:32:32 PM EDT

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talk about a derailed motherfucking thread. what does hitler and socialism have to do with this case? can you take it elsewhere so we dont get this thread locked once it hits 99 or 100 pages ?

do we know if the shooter was a lefty or his motives yet ?

was she trying to repeal the healthcare bill ?

Sorry. 4.5 hours behind the curve on the thread. Catching up as i go. believe the derail came about as people were trying to define the shooter's political affiliation from his facebook and videos. so tangentally its connected to the left or right ideology of the shooter by definition...

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:37:28 PM EDT

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I'm not reading this entire thread, so I'll just leave my $.2 and be done with it.

The shooter will most certainly face the death penalty. I have no problem with this, and I'll volunteer to do the job for substantially less than the cost of the three chemicals the they will most likely kill him with; free. The fact that Congresswoman Gifford is still alive is a testament to the will, strength and resiliency of the human spirit and body. While Congresswoman Gifford getting shot is a tragedy in itself, we must remember the other people that were shot and injured in the shooting. Christina-Taylor Green was 9 years old, and had never hurt a soul. Being a new father, I can only imagine how it feels to have a child taken.

Won't happen...

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:50:46 PM EDT

[#26]

Evidentally the asshole is not talking to the cops.

I wonder if we will ever hear his rants?

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:52:38 PM EDT

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Evidently the asshole is not talking to the cops.

I wonder if we will ever hear his rants?

Any news source for that information? If so, could you provide a link?
Thanks.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:54:38 PM EDT

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Since this whole crosshair thing is being taken so literally (although I can't figure out why) it might be prudent at this point to raise the fact that Glocks don't have crosshairs.

I suppose that the red dot (Bindi) on a Hindu's forehead is an aiming point as well if we are to take this liberal horseshit literally

You folks don't immerse yourself in our political discourse like we do with your royal family's wedding plans. Palin's image is simply the most visible in a long line of violent rhetoric coming from the right.

To claim that Palin's rhetoric is violent is disingenuous at best.

Meh, imprecise language.

Allusions to guns? fighting? I know you're familiar with Sharron Angle's guffaw over the 2nd Amendment. Things like that.

People on both sides of the aisle use "targeted" and "fighting" as metaphors for the political process. As has been shown on multiple occasions in this thread already. Calling that "violent rhetoric" is disingenuous, and you know it. The only people who consider that "inciting violence" are the morons on the left who have a pathological need to blame this on anyone who disagrees with them.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:55:22 PM EDT

[#29]

A picture of Gifford after the shooting...

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:56:22 PM EDT

[#30]

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Evidently the asshole is not talking to the cops.

I wonder if we will ever hear his rants?

Any news source for that information? If so, could you provide a link?
Thanks.

It was all over FNC today that he was not cooperating with the authorities.

Posted: 1/9/2011 8:58:29 PM EDT

[#31]

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When this thread reaches 100 pages and is shut down, the first post on page 1 of the next thread should be a list of everyone that was given a time out or banned.

I don't have a lot of faith in my fellow humans, but this thread is lowering even my already low expectations.

Good idea.

too true

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:00:17 PM EDT

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I'm getting fed up with this 24/7 coverage. It's not like Reagan, JFK, or the Pope got shot. Time to move on

Dims and their minions got their asses handed to them in November, this is their chance to negate some of that loss and push the momentum in their direction, they are going all out.

This is the major league, this is how it is done.

You're right, but it's fucking shameful.

What a bunch of ill-behaving little children the media is. I'm fucking embarrassed.

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:02:21 PM EDT

[#33]

TAG

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:04:15 PM EDT

[#34]

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Hitler and the Nazis were very much anti-capitalists. In fact, Hitler said if given the choice between capitalism and communism, he said without a doubt communism would be the better choice. The Nazis were a socialist party. National Socialism is not the same thing as the socialism the soviets espoused.

Wrong.

Some modern American conservatives (on here at least) don't use the classical conservative/progressive political axis, hence the perpetual debate on this site about whether the Nazis were left or right, socialist or fascist.

Right. The circular spectrum was based on a fucking seating chart, not exactly realistic.

The practical political spectrum is the yardstick. On it there isn't much difference between Socialist and Fascist.

Hence the argument.

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:04:18 PM EDT

[#35]

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Evidently the asshole is not talking to the cops.

I wonder if we will ever hear his rants?

Any news source for that information? If so, could you provide a link?
Thanks.

It was all over FNC today that he was not cooperating with the authorities.

Sorry, no Cable or satellite here...if it ain't free, I won't see.

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:06:45 PM EDT

[#36]

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Calling that "violent rhetoric" is disingenuous, and you know it. The only people who consider that "inciting violence" are the morons on the left who have a pathological need to blame this on anyone who disagrees with them.

No, it isn't. Allusions to violent action against the Senate Majority Leader isn't everyday political banter.

And don't use quotes around "inciting violence" like I said that.

My point is using loaded phrases gives red meat to one's political enemies at times like this. Period.

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:06:55 PM EDT

[#37]

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Sorry, no Cable or satillite here...if it ain't free, I won't see.

Gotcha. Maybe on the FNC website.

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:10:22 PM EDT

[#38]

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Calling that "violent rhetoric" is disingenuous, and you know it. The only people who consider that "inciting violence" are the morons on the left who have a pathological need to blame this on anyone who disagrees with them.

No, it isn't. Allusions to violent action against the Senate Majority Leader isn't everyday political banter.

And don't use quotes around "inciting violence" like I said that.

My point is using loaded phrases gives red meat to one's political enemies at times like this. Period.

Yes, it actually is. It's a lie, perpetrated by the left. Those words have been used for thousands of years, in all kinds of politics and religions, in the same way that Palin used them. They don't condone violence against anyone.

The "inciting violence" claim has been made multiple times by others on the left –– your quoted words should make it obvious I wasn't saying you said those words.

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:17:27 PM EDT

[#39]

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They have succeeded in framing this to their advantage. They have done so in such a way that in order to refute that, you get dragged down into political thoery where people fundamentally disagree.

The Mein Kampf reference means he was Conservative. Right. And as soon as you point out Hitler was a socialist and used socialism to estasblish totalitarianism you lose. The programming doesn't allow them to even consider such a thing. The media would need to report all these inconvienent facts about who this guy was. Our media doesn't report facts anymore.

At this point, Keith Olberman could go on a shooting spree and they could spin him into a Tea Partier.

History not your strong point? Hitler was not a socialist. He was a fascist. Facists believe in the private ownership of industry, but government exerts a strong influence over industry. Fascism is generally anti-trade union and Hitler banned trade unions except for the official German Labour Front. Hitler was anti-socialist and strongly anti-communist.

The name of his political party was just a name. Do you believe that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a Democratic Nation? (Hint: You might better know this country as NORTH KOREA).

This guy is a schizophrenic wingnut. His political leanings are no more important than his taste in food.

Blimey - the first American I have met on here who gets the whole Hitler/Nazi/Socialism thing, and can effectively articulate the point.

Honestly... well done that man.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim Hitler was a socialist before.

He was about as far right as you can get. It was funny he didn't care for Benito even though they were about one in the same.

The National Socialist was a.................. socialist.

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

I can call our politics communism and that doesn't make it any more communist. Just because it was called the "National Socialist Party" does not make it one.

oh for fuck's sake, what sort of treasons are being committed in our education systems that suck a fuckstick thing to say is even possible?

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:20:35 PM EDT

[#40]

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It will end at the bottom of pg 99.

4950 posts/thread max.

I thought they changed that. Oh well, we will find out soon.

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:23:30 PM EDT

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The confusion that is National Socialism is the perfect example of how useless the Left vs Right Paradigm shoudl be thrown out.

It should be..

Big Government one end, Limited or No government on the other. That is a scale that is universal and cant be manipulated.

it's also a scale contrived to make Libertarian-anarchy the default 'winner'. Complete horsecrap.

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:25:41 PM EDT

[#42]

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Too soon.

Sorry if I offended anyone, she's going to be okay.. didn't see the harm in a little relief/humor.

Define "OK" for me.

Brain injury.

She will never be the same again.

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:26:15 PM EDT

[#43]

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Calling that "violent rhetoric" is disingenuous, and you know it. The only people who consider that "inciting violence" are the morons on the left who have a pathological need to blame this on anyone who disagrees with them.

No, it isn't. Allusions to violent action against the Senate Majority Leader isn't everyday political banter.

And don't use quotes around "inciting violence" like I said that.

My point is using loaded phrases gives red meat to one's political enemies at times like this. Period.

Well, if your political enemies are newspapers and network television you're looking at a vicious battle of maybe epic proportions, rhetorically speaking.

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:36:51 PM EDT

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In his freshman and sophomore years at Mountain View High School, Mr. Loughner flew under the radar.

"All he did was play video games and play music," said Tommy Marriotti, a high school friend. Mr. Marriotti said much of Mr. Loughner's free time was devoted to the school band. He wasn't especially political, Mr. Marriotti said, though he expressed frustration with the Bush Administration.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703667904576071191163461466.html?mod=rss_Politics_And_Policy

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:55:09 PM EDT

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do we know if the shooter was a lefty or his motives yet ?

He appeared to have some anarchist-far left political leanings. Frankly though, his current state appears to be paranoid schizophrenia. Motivation for the attack seems (from his social media postings) to come from his delusions, not any political factor in the real world. If you watch his youtube videos you'll understand, by failing to understand the gibberish.

was she trying to repeal the healthcare bill ?

Don't know the answer to that, she was on Fox News one day before the shooting to promote a bill she was introducing for a Congressional pay cut.

Posted: 1/9/2011 9:58:06 PM EDT

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In his freshman and sophomore years at Mountain View High School, Mr. Loughner flew under the radar.

"All he did was play video games and play music," said Tommy Marriotti, a high school friend. Mr. Marriotti said much of Mr. Loughner's free time was devoted to the school band. He wasn't especially political, Mr. Marriotti said, though he expressed frustration with the Bush Administration.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703667904576071191163461466.html?mod=rss_Politics_And_Policy

I knew it! It's Bush's fault!

Posted: 1/9/2011 10:05:35 PM EDT

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Carolyn McCarthy readies gun control bill

One of the fiercest gun-control advocates in Congress, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), pounced on the shooting massacre in Tucson Sunday, promising to introduce legislation as soon as Monday.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html

Yeah... They're not burning the midnight oil. She's already got some canned shit ready for contingency.

what are the chances she introduces something that will pass ? I amagine another AWB ? or atleast something restricting "hi cap" mags

Republicans control the House, it's not going to happen.

and Reagan signed a machine gun ban into law because he thought it'd be deemed unconstitutional and repealed.

Which was an ammendment attached to the FOPA which was huge win for 2A.

The internet wasn't around last time (in 1994). The speed of communications and "rallying the troops" (Oh teh Noes I just used violent military rhetoric

) can help stave off any attack (Oh my God I did it again).
Now that one house is controlled by newly elected Republicans, the odds are there will be no new legislation. Just like after VA Tech.

Posted: 1/9/2011 10:09:17 PM EDT

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I'm getting fed up with this 24/7 coverage. It's not like Reagan, JFK, or the Pope got shot. Time to move on

Dims and their minions got their asses handed to them in November, this is their chance to negate some of that loss and push the momentum in their direction, they are going all out.

This is the major league, this is how it is done.

You're right, but it's fucking shameful.

What a bunch of ill-behaving little children the media is. I'm fucking embarrassed.

THE DEM,S AND THE LEFT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN.I SEE THEM TRYING TO GET TO THIS GUY FROM JAIL TO CONVINCE HIM TO SAY HE,S A MEMBER OF THE TEA PARTY.THE SHERRIF IS A LIBERAL DEMCRATE.AND THE FEDS HAVE HIM NOW.

Posted: 1/9/2011 10:20:33 PM EDT

[#49]

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They have succeeded in framing this to their advantage. They have done so in such a way that in order to refute that, you get dragged down into political thoery where people fundamentally disagree.

The Mein Kampf reference means he was Conservative. Right. And as soon as you point out Hitler was a socialist and used socialism to estasblish totalitarianism you lose. The programming doesn't allow them to even consider such a thing. The media would need to report all these inconvienent facts about who this guy was. Our media doesn't report facts anymore.

At this point, Keith Olberman could go on a shooting spree and they could spin him into a Tea Partier.

History not your strong point? Hitler was not a socialist. He was a fascist. Facists believe in the private ownership of industry, but government exerts a strong influence over industry. Fascism is generally anti-trade union and Hitler banned trade unions except for the official German Labour Front. Hitler was anti-socialist and strongly anti-communist.

The name of his political party was just a name. Do you believe that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a Democratic Nation? (Hint: You might better know this country as NORTH KOREA).

This guy is a schizophrenic wingnut. His political leanings are no more important than his taste in food.

Blimey - the first American I have met on here who gets the whole Hitler/Nazi/Socialism thing, and can effectively articulate the point.

Honestly... well done that man.

I don't think I've ever heard anyone claim Hitler was a socialist before.

He was about as far right as you can get. It was funny he didn't care for Benito even though they were about one in the same.

The claim has been made for decades (lots of them). Fascism and Nazism have more similarities than not. Mussolini and Hitler both had their beginnings in Socialist movements.

When the media and the left (one and the same really) point to Mein Kampf and try to paint the American "right" with that brush just remind them that it is National SOCIALISM...

He are some hightlights from the NSDAP aka Nazi party "25 point plan" that they ran on until their demise............sounds kinda SOCIALIST...imagine that...

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11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

The breaking of the slavery of interest

12. In view of the enormous sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small traders in the placing of State and municiple orders.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. *

Posted: 1/9/2011 10:43:35 PM EDT

[#50]

This is Giffords' youtube channel?

http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2

Check her subscriptions?

(Circled one = Jared Lee Loughner's channel)

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