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Posted: 5/3/2011 8:58:33 AM EDT
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Here's my best guess as to the layout of what we see on that tail with the red arrow being the direction of flight.
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Posted: 5/3/2011 8:58:34 AM EDT
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Hmmmmm......
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:01:35 AM EDT
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I'm guessing stealth-modified MH-60.....
or Blue Thunder with whisper mode.
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:03:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: its a four bladed rotor––-the bottom blade is simply bent back from striking the ground. Naw, look at the clearance cuts for the cover thing. The spacing would equal 5 blades. At least that's what it looks like to me. Not necessarily, uneven spacing would be advantageous for suppression of constructive harmonics. Stealth is here. Could this be the -60N? Composite for radar absorption. Swept stabilator again for radar issues. Tail rotor hub cover too. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:05:30 AM EDT
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Wow! Unless these photos are doctored (which is always a possibility), gentleman, we are looking at a new, black program stealth helicopter (possibly a modification of an existing airframe - MH-60?) that went down in OBL's back yard. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197623-Mystery-of-downed-Chopper http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382859/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Photo-Obama-watching-Al-Qaeda-leader-die-live-TV.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/03/article-1382859-0BE1F64C00000578-384_470x423.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/03/article-1382859-0BE1E40F00000578-506_470x423.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/03/article-1382859-0BE1E4AC00000578-295_470x423.jpg My thoughts exactly. These were actually the first pics I saw, and they don't match up with a UH-60 airframe at all; my first thought when I saw that strange "cover" over the rotor was that it may have been a modified MH-53, but THAT airframe doesn't match, either. Also, in some of the other images the Pakis were hauling away what looked to be partially burnt carbon-fiber panels. ??? It IS carbon fiber. Narrow it down...which chopper uses a lot of carbon fiber in it's construction? Im tending to lean towards the "new stealth chopper" idea...but just because it be conspiratorial. 
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:05:35 AM EDT
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A guy over at MP.net put together this 3d sketch to help visualize it.
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:05:59 AM EDT
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... NAVSPECWAR has their own aviation det. As others have reminded me, they actually keep secrets, as opposed to the endless discovery channel specials. Just for the record, most of my (admittedly limited) knowledge of the 160th does not come from television, books, internet, etc. 
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:07:40 AM EDT
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Looks to me that the aircraft came down with the tail section on top of the wall, which broke it off from the rest of the craft. This appears to have saved it from the ensuing fire and destruction by US forces. 
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:09:34 AM EDT
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That doesn't look like a Blackhawk tail section. Sure does, look: http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSczXK2Q4GhDE1FzMrO9VLxxxrRFPVhkzEc9ws1K2rNaRtBEWgP The crash pic looks like the tail section has to separate vertical stabilizers coming off of it. The Blackhawk has one complete stabilizer.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/sikorsky-uh60-blackhawk_2.jpg MH-53 anybody?? 
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:09:36 AM EDT
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That is... different.
Frankly, I sleep BETTER when I think about all the cool toys the DoD has and does not tell us about, and have never wound up as art on the cover of PopSci/PopMechanics/or Aviation Week. 
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:13:20 AM EDT
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A super secret Sikorsky MH-92
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:15:09 AM EDT
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Here's some more photos of the Pakistanis hauling away wreckage http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8679/1000xw.jpg http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/6082/1000xot.jpg http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9076/x900i.jpg http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9167/1000xu.jpg Man,it's gonna take forever to get those parts to China via that Massey Ferguson. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:15:25 AM EDT
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LOL...maybe it isn't even one of ours?
I find it VERY odd that nobody has ID'd at this point. It's obvious that it exists. But you would THINK that something that cool would have been almost-common knowledge, as they would have been on the forward bases over there. They ALSO would have been "in use" possibly before this, as I don't think a unit would take one into a mission without thoroughly having it tested. There IS one final explanation. They are top-secret and they are kept in top-secret helo bases...The triangular UFO, football-field-sized, FLYING bases that Art Bell always talked about. Unfortunately, I'm almost serious about that explanation. 
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:17:47 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That doesn't look like a Blackhawk tail section. Sure does, look: http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSczXK2Q4GhDE1FzMrO9VLxxxrRFPVhkzEc9ws1K2rNaRtBEWgP The crash pic looks like the tail section has to separate vertical stabilizers coming off of it. The Blackhawk has one complete stabilizer. http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/sikorsky-uh60-blackhawk_2.jpg MH-53 anybody?? http://www.militaryaviation.eu/images/Sikorsky/MH-53_73-1652_.jpg nope |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:19:24 AM EDT
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I figured most know about it already but it bears to mention the "Quiet One" : http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/the_quiet_one.html just in terms of what got built and used operationally 40 years ago.
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:19:48 AM EDT
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no rivets anywhere...hmm
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:19:59 AM EDT
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HAHA All the Pockis are wearing jammies. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:22:52 AM EDT
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Wow! Unless these photos are doctored (which is always a possibility), gentleman, we are looking at a new, black program stealth helicopter (possibly a modification of an existing airframe - MH-60?) that went down in OBL's back yard. http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197623-Mystery-of-downed-Chopper http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382859/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Photo-Obama-watching-Al-Qaeda-leader-die-live-TV.html http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/03/article-1382859-0BE1F64C00000578-384_470x423.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/03/article-1382859-0BE1E40F00000578-506_470x423.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/05/03/article-1382859-0BE1E4AC00000578-295_470x423.jpg My thoughts exactly. These were actually the first pics I saw, and they don't match up with a UH-60 airframe at all; my first thought when I saw that strange "cover" over the rotor was that it may have been a modified MH-53, but THAT airframe doesn't match, either. Also, in some of the other images the Pakis were hauling away what looked to be partially burnt carbon-fiber panels. ??? I think the carbon fiber panels you saw were the main rotor blades. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:23:33 AM EDT
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A super secret Sikorsky MH-92 Tail rotor gear box on the wrong side for a 92. I take that back. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:24:43 AM EDT
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That doesn't look like a Blackhawk tail section. Sure does, look: http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSczXK2Q4GhDE1FzMrO9VLxxxrRFPVhkzEc9ws1K2rNaRtBEWgP The crash pic looks like the tail section has to separate vertical stabilizers coming off of it. The Blackhawk has one complete stabilizer.
http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/imgs/sikorsky-uh60-blackhawk_2.jpg MH-53 anybody?? http://www.militaryaviation.eu/images/Sikorsky/MH-53_73-1652_.jpg Tail rotor looks to be on the wrong side, and the MH-53 has a single horizontal non-movable stab on the right side. Unless it's some heavily modified -53 of some sort. But from the pictures, it does look like a pretty big bird. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:27:52 AM EDT
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Sure looks like something new to me.
Interesting how they destroyed one half of it so very well but missed the tail section. It sort of looks like a lower cost version of the Commache stealth Helio. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:29:12 AM EDT
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I'd lean towards some sort of stealthy animal that uses the UH-60s drivetrain and dynamic parts. The tail geometry seems to roughly match that of the Blackhawk, with a moving (albeit swept forward) stabilator, as well as fairings and smooth shapes where there use to be notches and ridges.
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:29:46 AM EDT
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Let's face it...nobody here has ANY idea of what it is.
I don't know shit about helicopters, but I can Google with the best of them. I am coming-up with NOTHING. It's either very new and very secret...or it is not one of ours...But I think it is one of ours. And new, and very secret. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:30:15 AM EDT
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Quoted: A super secret Sikorsky MH-92 Doesn't have a stabilator on both sides of the boom. Incorrect gear box. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:30:41 AM EDT
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Where's Primorsky? I'm sure he can tell us about how Russia has had these for years.
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:35:18 AM EDT
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Quoted: Let's face it...nobody here has ANY idea of what it is. I don't know shit about helicopters, but I can Google with the best of them. I am coming-up with NOTHING. It's either very new and very secret...or it is not one of ours...But I think it is one of ours. And new, and very secret. I've never seen something like it anywhere and I'm a part-time av geek
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:35:35 AM EDT
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tag for later answer . looks like it stalled and landed hard and broke the tail off , and the explosives missed the broken part due to the wall. I can see in 40 minutes of adrenalin rush that maybe they didn't notice or have time to deal with it. I have been searching for 3 hours for old conceptual prototype drawings or art, leaked pics and other stuff but nothing is even close to that except it is remenicant of a commanche but made for troop carrying. I wonder if it was like a drone? they did say anther plane was flying overhead , maybe a controller. Who knows though. I amazed that none of the other mil guys have any idea or maybe just can't say. Maybe only be 2 or 3 of these , or a single protoype . No pics of the other bird eh? wonder if it was 2 of the same type? maybe it is a MH 60 with 'bolt on' mods to avoid radar.
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:37:38 AM EDT
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Let's face it...nobody here has ANY idea of what it is.
Have to agree. I'm at a loss. Pretty interesting to speculate as to what it is though. Too bad they didn't have the chance to denial the tail section with the rest of the main body. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:38:20 AM EDT
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I'd lean towards some sort of stealthy animal that uses the UH-60s drivetrain and dynamic parts. The tail geometry seems to roughly match that of the Blackhawk, with a moving (albeit swept forward) stabilator, as well as fairings and smooth shapes where there use to be notches and ridges. This, I think it is a UH-60 that was heavily modified to take advantage of radar reducing tech. I have seen some job reqs out there that were looking for folks that could do stuff like this |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:38:36 AM EDT
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Not perfect, but some things are similar:
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:39:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:39:46 AM EDT
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I did read an article that stated the helicopter used "state of the art technology" to evade radar detection in Pakistani airspace. I thought that was a little odd.....
ETA: Here's the link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_bin_laden_hunt_for_bin_laden |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:40:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Not perfect, but some things are similar: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Sikorsky_S-58_landing_c.jpg In that it is a Helicopter? Yes, then some things are similar...  |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:40:32 AM EDT
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Not perfect, but some things are similar: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/Sikorsky_S-58_landing_c.jpg That WOULD be the ultimate in deniability. "What are you talking about, Musharraf? Do you really think we'd run around our Tier 1 operators in a piece of shit like that? Paki, please." |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:40:51 AM EDT
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NOBODY would have suspected a stealth CH-34!
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:41:31 AM EDT
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Yea, I am at a loss from those pics. It doesn't look like anything I crawled into today.
I want more. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:41:31 AM EDT
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Let's face it...nobody here has ANY idea of what it is.
Have to agree. I'm at a loss. Pretty interesting to speculate as to what it is though. Too bad they didn't have the chance to denial the tail section with the rest of the main body. Makes for great internet funsies, though.
That is something completely new. I've never seen anything remotely like it, except the RAH-66 Comanche. And looking at the shape of the base of the boom, I have a hard time believing its a derivative of anything currently fielded. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:41:59 AM EDT
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Why the hell can't we make a helo that can get thru one commando mission intact? I can't even begin to think of the times whirlybirds have cause problems all the way back to the Iran hostage rescue. In Vietnam 50% lost. Nearly 5000 helos were crashed or shot down during the war. Nature of the beast. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:43:41 AM EDT
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Good article. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:47:08 AM EDT
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Ok, here is something that is more modern and has some similar features to what's in the photos:
ETA: damnit, my pictures arent working. Standby |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:48:06 AM EDT
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Quoted: Ok, here is something that is more modern and has some similar features to what's in the photos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Thai_Navy_Sikorksy_S-76B.JPEG  That looks nothing like the crash tail.
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:49:55 AM EDT
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You can tell it's definitely not a Hind based on the tail rotor assembly. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:52:17 AM EDT
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I said it first. When the UH-60 was first introduced, composites in aircraft were bleeding edge. Now even the Lakota has composite twin tail fin structure. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:52:30 AM EDT
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Ok, here is something that is more modern and has some similar features to what's in the photos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Thai_Navy_Sikorksy_S-76B.JPEG
That looks nothing like the crash tail. I'm just searching for ideas of helicopters that could have had their tails modded a bit for stealth and match what's in the crash photos. That one has the rotor in the right position, and the horizontal stabilizer isn't flat and straight like on the Blackhawk. Please, by all means, find something that matches it perfectly. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:54:28 AM EDT
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I can't find anything
 too bad we lost it, it would've been nice to keep it secret |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:55:51 AM EDT
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No detail shots, but here is a story about NASA working on a quieter Blackhawk last year...
http://www.activesensors.com/news/7 |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:56:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok, here is something that is more modern and has some similar features to what's in the photos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Royal_Thai_Navy_Sikorksy_S-76B.JPEG That looks nothing like the crash tail. I'm just searching for ideas of helicopters that could have had their tails modded a bit for stealth and match what's in the crash photos. That one has the rotor in the right position, and the horizontal stabilizer isn't flat and straight like on the Blackhawk. Please, by all means, find something that matches it perfectly. You aren't going to find anything. |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:58:13 AM EDT
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I really want to know what it is now.
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Posted: 5/3/2011 9:59:43 AM EDT
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Interesting that the thread with the original pictures has been removed!
From Page 2: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197623-Mystery-of-downed-Chopper Very interesting! |
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Posted: 5/3/2011 10:02:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: Interesting that the thread with the original pictures has been removed! From Page 2: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197623-Mystery-of-downed-Chopper Very interesting! This one should work: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?197635-The-mysterious-helicopter-involved-in-the-Osama-Bin-Laden-raid |
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