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Some more lies.  I wasn't gonna derail this thread calling you out on your BS when you previously tried to pass off folklore as "history" in regards to Kosova.  I figure you are young, only 22, and you don't know anything besides the propaganda you were taught by Milosevic-era people.  But you are old enough, if not capable, to objectively parse the events of the soccer game.

For everybody interested, there was a Euro Cup qualifying match in Serbia between Serbia and Albania.  It took place in the capital of Belgrade.

1) Serbian authorities threatened to arrest anybody who displayed symbols supporting the visiting team.  Albanian fans were not allowed into the stadium.  99% of the crowd was Serbian.
2) Throughout the whole game, the Serbian fans chanted "Ubij, Ubij, Siptara" which means "Kill, Kill the Albanians."  But it's not the proper name for Albanian, it's a derogatory term from the Milosevic area which is similar to calling black people the "n-word."
3) The Serb fans booed the Albanian national anthem and carried political slogans such as "Kosovo je serbija" (Kosova is Serbia) and others about Bosnia and Croatia.
4) The Serb fans threw objects and fireworks at the Albanian players during the first half of the game.
5) This isn't the first time something like this has happened.  The Serbs started a riot in a 2010 match in Italy, in which Ivan Bogdanovich burned an Albanian flag.  He served jail time in Serbia for that incident, but he still led a masked group of rioters onto the pitch at the Serbia-Albania game.

The person who flew the drone did so as an act of civil disobedience.  Serbs tried to ban any support for Albania, threatening to arrest anyone who did so, and tried to block all roads into Serbia.  They forgot that Eagles fly  The map is not of "Greater Albania," but instead of Ethnic Albania, and comprises all regions where Albanians are indigenous and still live to this very day.

The Albanian team endured abuse since before the game even started, and had fireworks and hard objects thrown at them when they came close to making a goal (which is very distracting).  This all occurred before the drone carrying the flag flew over the stadium.  Blaming your people's despicable actions on a fan raising a flag is really dishonest and shows that Serbs don't hold themselves accountable or responsible for their own actions - it's always somebody else's fault.

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It was a mess (for people that don't know, Serbia played vs Albania in Belgrade, and Albanian prime minister's brother piloted a quadcopter with "Great Albania" flag onto the pitch (Great Albania consists of today's Albania, Kosovo, parts of Macedonia, Greece and Montenegro) and the players got into a fight over the flag. I mean, I expected something to happen, I'm just happy that the quad wasn't carrying a bomb

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Some more lies.  I wasn't gonna derail this thread calling you out on your BS when you previously tried to pass off folklore as "history" in regards to Kosova.  I figure you are young, only 22, and you don't know anything besides the propaganda you were taught by Milosevic-era people.  But you are old enough, if not capable, to objectively parse the events of the soccer game.

For everybody interested, there was a Euro Cup qualifying match in Serbia between Serbia and Albania.  It took place in the capital of Belgrade.

1) Serbian authorities threatened to arrest anybody who displayed symbols supporting the visiting team.  Albanian fans were not allowed into the stadium.  99% of the crowd was Serbian.
2) Throughout the whole game, the Serbian fans chanted "Ubij, Ubij, Siptara" which means "Kill, Kill the Albanians."  But it's not the proper name for Albanian, it's a derogatory term from the Milosevic area which is similar to calling black people the "n-word."
3) The Serb fans booed the Albanian national anthem and carried political slogans such as "Kosovo je serbija" (Kosova is Serbia) and others about Bosnia and Croatia.
4) The Serb fans threw objects and fireworks at the Albanian players during the first half of the game.
5) This isn't the first time something like this has happened.  The Serbs started a riot in a 2010 match in Italy, in which Ivan Bogdanovich burned an Albanian flag.  He served jail time in Serbia for that incident, but he still led a masked group of rioters onto the pitch at the Serbia-Albania game.

The person who flew the drone did so as an act of civil disobedience.  Serbs tried to ban any support for Albania, threatening to arrest anyone who did so, and tried to block all roads into Serbia.  They forgot that Eagles fly  The map is not of "Greater Albania," but instead of Ethnic Albania, and comprises all regions where Albanians are indigenous and still live to this very day.

The Albanian team endured abuse since before the game even started, and had fireworks and hard objects thrown at them when they came close to making a goal (which is very distracting).  This all occurred before the drone carrying the flag flew over the stadium.  Blaming your people's despicable actions on a fan raising a flag is really dishonest and shows that Serbs don't hold themselves accountable or responsible for their own actions - it's always somebody else's fault.

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Disclosure time. Where's your family from?

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My maternal grandparents were ethnic Croats. My grandfather died before I was born, but my grandmother carried distrust of Serbs to her grave. I will be honest I see Serbs as cousins. Second cousins perhaps, but still cousins.

How many generations do you think will pass before Serbs and Croats there come to terms with the past and reconcile to become friends?

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Not sure if this was asked already, but how do your fellow countrymen look upon our "president"?  The US seems fairly polarized, with people wanting to lick his shoes, and others wanting to set fire to them.  Obviously the vast majority here would like to see him assume room temperature.    Personally, I think he has great deception skills, but is totally inept as a leader, and well, the whole socialism thing, too.
 

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My maternal grandparents were ethnic Croats. My grandfather died before I was born, but my grandmother carried distrust of Serbs to her grave. I will be honest I see Serbs as cousins. Second cousins perhaps, but still cousins.

How many generations do you think will pass before Serbs and Croats there come to terms with the past and reconcile to become friends?

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Honestly, I think that it is happening already. My generation doesn't see Croats as enemies. We did some nasty stuff, they did some nasty stuff, but arguing about who did what isn't gonna help is go forward. Older people still dislike Croatia, but war tends to do that to people.

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I always thought we backed the wrong horse in that one.

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We did.  I ETS'd from the Guard just before my unit got mobilized for that goat rope.  I was upset at the timing back then.  Now I'm glad I wasn't part of it.  We intervened twice in Yugoslavia to defend groups of people belonging to a religion that has nominally declared war on us multiple times.  It escapes me why we've done that.

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So.  On the off chance that someone here runs a distillery and can add in a special run of awesomeness, what's your recipe for making good slivovitz?    I imagine it's just plumbs + Yeast + time, and then a run through a copper pot still before going in a toasted oak barrel for a few years?

That and we need your grandma's recipes for kajmak.  

This conversation has had me looking for a good source of decent quality Slivovitz.   Any pointers for brands that are good and might be over here?  I know Manastirka is pretty tasty, but it's a bitch to find down here in FL.

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Like the time I've talked about meat preparing, it's the same basic principle. You need good, quality plums (I get them from my own property), and a massive wooden barrel for it to sit in. You NEVER add sugar (sugar=crappy moonshine) and you just wait, sometimes you dont need to use yeast at all (depends on the temperature, amount of sugar in the plums etc). Copper pot is a must (I've seen some for hobbyists made to run on gas and fit on a table top).
Also, it doesnt have to sit in an oak barrel. Some people do that, but it adds the flavor of the wood. My grandpa stores it in big glass bottles (15-20 liters per bottle) so that the color stays crystal clear (like pure ethanol). I think we brew it to ~45% alcohol, maybe a bit higher.
Oh, and the important thing is that plum trees are never treated with artificial pesticide, 100% organic all the way.
Good export brands are BB Klekovaca (it's slivovitza flavoured with some juniper) and Zuta osa (Yellow Wasp). Manastirka is also decent

For kaymak, I could ask, haven't tried making it myself.

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did you build my new gun?

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What are your thoughts on the Republika Srpska entity?

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do you slav squat? kepka tabletka?

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What are your thoughts on the Republika Srpska entity?

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Have you ever been to the Exit in Novi Sad?



What are your thoughts on Prince Alexander, and his desire to restore monarchy to Serbia?

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Do you remove the seed from the plumbs before fermenting or just crush up everything like we do with apples?  I'm thinking my folks' farm up in VA might be a good spot to plant some plumb trees for fruit and other purposes some day.  :-)