It will be very interesting to see the SCOTUS ruling on this one if it passes. I bet they would argue it as a states rights case and stay away from the RKBA. If it was upheld it isn't too hard to imagine that instead of arresting someone for concealed carry anti-CCL states would make new more restrictive laws or get creative and arrest people for disorderly conduct, etc.

I'll make a few calls next week in support even though for some reason I still don't like the Feds telling the states what to do.

Quoted: It will be very interesting to see the SCOTUS ruling on this one if it passes. I bet they would argue it as a states rights case and stay away from the RKBA. If it was upheld it isn't too hard to imagine that instead of arresting someone for concealed carry anti-CCL states would make new more restrictive laws or get creative and arrest people for disorderly conduct, etc. I'll make a few calls next week in support even though for some reason I still don't like the Feds telling the states what to do.

The law is based on Article IV, Section 1 of the Constitution (AKA "Full Faith and Credit" Clause):

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.

Full Faith and Credit is why a marrriage in one state is valid in all, and why your driver's license lets you drive in all 50 states.

Emailed my rep to get him onboard to cosponsor.  

Outlook marked for FireMission.

So what this is saying is that any state that issues a CCW permit has to recognize other states CCWs, correct?

Yup. Or if you live in a state that requires no permit to CCW (AK or VT), and are legally eligible to carry in that state, you can also cary in any other state.

It's a good thing.

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Quoted: It will be very interesting to see the SCOTUS ruling on this one if it passes. I bet they would argue it as a states rights case and stay away from the RKBA. If it was upheld it isn't too hard to imagine that instead of arresting someone for concealed carry anti-CCL states would make new more restrictive laws or get creative and arrest people for disorderly conduct, etc. I'll make a few calls next week in support even though for some reason I still don't like the Feds telling the states what to do.

Yeah, you should have to get a driver's license in all 50 states.

The Bill of Rights should be able to be ignored by the states.

Yeah, states that still have the AWB should have the right to ignore the 2nd.

Yeah, let's let the states set up checkpoints at their state lines.

Sounds good to me.

Yeah, the states know soooooooooooooo much more than the Feds.

Sweet, I hope this passes, as I see a UT CCW in my future. It would be so sweet to carry in PRK, even though the state does "technically" allow CCW, douche-bag libtard local and county  Chief LEO's refuse to issue them in most cases.

Most states have recopricity now anyway.

This is a slap to the states that don't have it and to the states that issue it only to the wealthy.

Only 38 callers?

Tag.

I live in IL, so If this passes I can apply in MO. for CCW and will be able to carry in IL? Man it sounds to good to be true, freedom at last, freedom at last.

Any nonresident permit will do.

BTT

List of cosponsors:



COSPONSORS(69), ALPHABETICAL [followed by Cosponsors withdrawn]:     (Sort: by date)
Rep Aderholt, Robert B. [AL-4] - 3/10/2005 Rep Alexander, Rodney [LA-5] - 3/10/2005
Rep Barrett, J. Gresham [SC-3] - 3/10/2005 Rep Bartlett, Roscoe G. [MD-6] - 3/10/2005
Rep Bilirakis, Michael [FL-9] - 4/14/2005 Rep Bishop, Rob [UT-1] - 6/8/2005
Rep Bishop, Sanford D., Jr. [GA-2] - 5/26/2005 Rep Boozman, John [AR-3] - 5/12/2005
Rep Bradley, Jeb [NH-1] - 3/10/2005 Rep Brown, Henry E., Jr. [SC-1] - 10/20/2005
Rep Brown-Waite, Ginny [FL-5] - 3/10/2005 Rep Burgess, Michael C. [TX-26] - 3/10/2005
Rep Burton, Dan [IN-5] - 3/10/2005 Rep Cannon, Chris [UT-3] - 3/10/2005
Rep Cantor, Eric [VA-7] - 3/10/2005 Rep Capito, Shelley Moore [WV-2] - 5/5/2005
Rep Carter, John R. [TX-31] - 6/8/2005 Rep Cubin, Barbara [WY] - 3/10/2005
Rep Davis, Jo Ann [VA-1] - 4/14/2005 Rep Doolittle, John T. [CA-4] - 3/10/2005
Rep Emerson, Jo Ann [MO-8] - 5/12/2005 Rep Foley, Mark [FL-16] - 3/10/2005
Rep Foxx, Virginia [NC-5] - 9/22/2005 Rep Franks, Trent [AZ-2] - 5/5/2005
Rep Garrett, Scott [NJ-5] - 4/14/2005 Rep Gingrey, Phil [GA-11] - 3/10/2005
Rep Goode, Virgil H., Jr. [VA-5] - 3/10/2005 Rep Goodlatte, Bob [VA-6] - 4/14/2005
Rep Hall, Ralph M. [TX-4] - 3/10/2005 Rep Hayworth, J. D. [AZ-5] - 5/26/2005
Rep Hensarling, Jeb [TX-5] - 7/28/2005 Rep Herger, Wally [CA-2] - 3/14/2005
Rep Jenkins, William L. [TN-1] - 5/5/2005 Rep Jindal, Bobby [LA-1] - 6/29/2005
Rep Johnson, Timothy V. [IL-15] - 5/12/2005 Rep Jones, Walter B., Jr. [NC-3] - 3/10/2005
Rep Keller, Ric [FL-8] - 5/26/2005 Rep Kingston, Jack [GA-1] - 6/29/2005
Rep Kuhl, John R. "Randy", Jr. [NY-29] - 5/26/2005 Rep Lewis, Ron [KY-2] - 3/10/2005
Rep Marchant, Kenny [TX-24] - 9/22/2005 Rep McCotter, Thaddeus G. [MI-11] - 5/5/2005
Rep McHenry, Patrick T. [NC-10] - 3/10/2005 Rep McIntyre, Mike [NC-7] - 5/12/2005
Rep Miller, Candice S. [MI-10] - 6/29/2005 Rep Miller, Jeff [FL-1] - 3/14/2005
Rep Musgrave, Marilyn N. [CO-4] - 3/10/2005 Rep Ney, Robert W. [OH-18] - 4/14/2005
Rep Norwood, Charlie [GA-9] - 4/14/2005 Rep Otter, C. L. (Butch) [ID-1] - 3/10/2005
Rep Pearce, Stevan [NM-2] - 4/14/2005 Rep Pence, Mike [IN-6] - 3/10/2005
Rep Peterson, Collin C. [MN-7] - 4/14/2005 Rep Peterson, John E. [PA-5] - 4/14/2005
Rep Pickering, Charles W. (Chip) [MS-3] - 6/29/2005 Rep Platts, Todd Russell [PA-19] - 4/14/2005
Rep Putnam, Adam H. [FL-12] - 5/26/2005 Rep Rehberg, Dennis R. [MT] - 6/29/2005
Rep Rogers, Harold [KY-5] - 4/14/2005 Rep Rogers, Mike D. [AL-3] - 5/5/2005
Rep Sessions, Pete [TX-32] - 3/10/2005 Rep Shuster, Bill [PA-9] - 5/26/2005
Rep Sodrel, Michael E. [IN-9] - 3/10/2005 Rep Souder, Mark E. [IN-3] - 3/10/2005
Rep Wamp, Zach [TN-3] - 3/10/2005 Rep Westmoreland, Lynn A. [GA-8] - 3/10/2005
Rep Wicker, Roger F. [MS-1] - 3/10/2005 Rep Wilson, Joe [SC-2] - 3/10/2005
Rep Young, Don [AK] - 5/12/2005

Position On The Second Amendment To The Constitution
By U.S. Rep. John Hostettler (author of SAFE Act)

The United States Constitution does not delegate to Congress the power to legislate on every issue facing our nation. In fact, the powers of Congress are specifically listed in Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution and are expressly limited by the Tenth Amendment. The power of the federal government is further curtailed by the amendments to the Constitution known as the Bill of Rights. This issue of legislative power is particularly relevant to the question of firearm regulation.

The Second Amendment reads: "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." I firmly believe that this provision prohibits the federal government from denying citizens the right to bear arms. Thus, absent a Constitutional amendment, I could not, even if I wanted to, support legislation which restricts the ownership of firearms. To do otherwise would force me to break the oath I took as a Congressman to uphold the Constitution.

Some contend that the Second Amendment only applies to state militias which have become the National Guard, and not to individuals. I reject this interpretation -- for if the Second Amendment only applied to the National Guard, it would have been unnecessary, since Article I, Sec. 8, of the Constitution already sets forth the management of the militias, including their "arming". Thus, unless the intent of the Second Amendment is to grant " the people" the right to keep and bear arms, it is redundant and without purpose. Moreover, I believe that it is inconsistent to interpret the Second Amendment as not granting an individual right, while recognizing such individual rights in the rest of the Bill of Rights. This is especially relevant, given that the sole purpose in drafting the Bill of Rights was to place limits on the power of the federal government over the affairs of the people. Finally, any interpretation ignoring "the people" goes against the plain reading of the Second Amendment.

While the foregoing would be sufficient reason to refrain from legislating restrictions on firearm ownership, I must add that I believe the authors of the Bill of Rights were wise in preserving the right to keep and bear arms. The ability to defend oneself and family is the fundamental right which preserves all others. The authors of Indiana's Constitution in 1851 agreed, as evident by their including Article I, Section 32, which reads: "The people shall have a right to bear arms, for the defense of themselves and the State."

Many citizens choose to own a firearm for a variety of reasons: for sport, for hunting, for collecting, or for protection. In my view any or all of these are good reasons. More importantly, the Constitution guarantees that the citizens of the United States have this freedom to keep and bear arms, and I will continue to promote this freedom in the future.

TAG!!!!

We all know this will get out of the house what about the senate though????
How much time is left in session?
Could this be attatched to Hutchinsons D.C. repeal bill or vice versa???

They won't touch this until next year at the earliest.

We need a senate companion bill.

Dear Justin: Thank you for contacting me in support of H.R. 1243, the “Secure Access to Firearms Enhancement (SAFE) Act of 2005.”  I appreciate your taking the time to share your views with me. As you know, Rep. John Hostettler (R-IN) has introduced H.R. 1243, which would allow individuals licensed to carry concealed firearms in one state to carry them in other states, without obtaining any additional state gun licenses. I believe this is common-sense legislation.  Rest assured, I strongly support Second Amendment rights, and I will vote for this legislation when it comes to the House floor for a vote. Thanks again for contacting me.  Your opinions help me to better serve you and all the people of eastern Connecticut.  Should you have any further questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact my office.  Also feel free to visit my website at www.house.gov/simmons. All the best, Rob Simmons Member of Congress Second Distict, Connecticut

Wow there is a good guy in CT.

Quoted: National Reciprocity shouldn't even be a question......   just like a driver's license. I'm in on the fire mission.

+1

btt for night crew

Quoted: What impact will this statement have?  I think the intent is schools/casinos/bars and such, but could it be manipulated to cover the whole state? Quoted: subject to the laws of the State in which the firearm is carried concerning specific types of locations in which firearms may not be carried.'.

What ever became of the 1000 feet around a school BS?

TAG MAHONEY!

BTT for today

Push this...

Quoted: This bill has sixty nine cosponsors. Lots of Republican support. A few Dems too.

How do I find out who cosponsored the bill?

THanks!

I posted it in this thread somewhere.

Page three has the cosponsor list

Quoted: Page three has the cosponsor list

Just saw it thanks.

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Bumped and called.    This is much more important than the "Clinton AWB" expiration.

Please call folks.  This is a big one!  

BTT

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I'm on it.

Wow.
Nice.

btt

We need to get GOA, NRA behind this.

from GOA Alert email...
> Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert 8001 Forbes Place,
Suite
> 102, Springfield, VA 22151 Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-
> 321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org
>
> Tuesday, March 8, 2005
>
> Rep. John Hostettler (R-IN) will soon be reintroducing his
> national reciprocity bill that protects the right of
> citizens to carry their firearms into other states.
>
> Hostettler's language has a huge advantage over other
> reciprocity-type bills in that it does not punish states
> for being too pro-gun. His bill would not penalize
citizens
> from states like Alaska and Vermont, because his proposal
> doesn't require a citizen to first get a permit to enjoy
> reciprocity in another state.
>
> Most carry bills in Congress seek to establish reciprocity
> ONLY between gun control states. These bills force people
> to jump through officially-mandated hurdles and get carry
> permits before they can carry firearms into neighboring
> states.
>
> But now that more and more states are debating whether to
> adopt Alaska/Vermont style carry laws, it is important
that
> the federal government NOT penalize citizens from those
> states.
>
> Rep. Hostettler's bill, known as the Secure Access to
> Firearms Enhancement (SAFE) Act, is just what America
> needs. His draft would allow law-abiding citizens who can
> legally carry in their home state -- even without a
permit -
> - to carry all across the country.
>
> And, of course, for those gun owners who already HAVE
> concealed carry permits, the SAFE Act will provide
complete
> nationwide reciprocity.
>
> ACTION: Please ask your Representative to cosponsor Rep.
> Hostettler's concealed carry bill, the Secure Access to
> Firearms Enhancement (SAFE) Act of 2005. This bill --
which
> will probably be introduced on Thursday, so it doesn't yet
> have a bill number! -- will guarantee Americans the
ability
> to carry firearms from one state into the next.
>
> You can visit the Gun Owners Legislative Action Center at
> http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm to send your
> Representative a pre-written e-mail message

Rep Barrett, J. Gresham [SC-3]

 one of the co-sponsers (Keller) is even on the committe

So if I, a NY resident get a mail-order NH permit would be be valid in NY under this?

Yes.

Any permit will do

Tag

At least 100 members should be bumping or tagging this thread.

A simple phone call on Tuesday is all that is asked to further our rights.

After you do call post your results here.

We'll see how our message is recieved.

most important 2a related bill ever..? I can't think of anything thats been good for us in uh.. forever?