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Posted: 9/3/2013 2:57:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midwestoffroad:
2 two sided copies if your form1 COC form Schedule if assets sheet 5 pages of ny trust Check to batfe And I mail. Mind in a flat rate priorty mail envelope $5.20 so I can track it. My question is on the schedule A. What do you. list as form of ownership Joint,sole,joint tendency in common,tangible ect I took this as make a check out to BATFE or does it have to be made out to the Department of Justice. I know its on the form just wanted to clarify . |
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Posted: 9/3/2013 3:25:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mayor_quimby:
I took this as make a check out to BATFE or does it have to be made out to the Department of Justice. I know its on the form just wanted to clarify . Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mayor_quimby:
Originally Posted By midwestoffroad:
2 two sided copies if your form1 COC form Schedule if assets sheet 5 pages of ny trust Check to batfe And I mail. Mind in a flat rate priorty mail envelope $5.20 so I can track it. My question is on the schedule A. What do you. list as form of ownership Joint,sole,joint tendency in common,tangible ect I took this as make a check out to BATFE or does it have to be made out to the Department of Justice. I know its on the form just wanted to clarify . Either is fine -- they cash it just as fast. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2013 8:34:43 AM EDT
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Stupid question and it's probably been answered before, but I can't find it:
I have an LRB lower I was to Form 1. For Block 4 (this is using eforms, BTW), do I put "LRB Arms," or "JV Machine Co?" Both manufacturers are on the lower and both are in the database. Thanks. |
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Posted: 9/4/2013 9:43:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWODaddy:
Stupid question and it's probably been answered before, but I can't find it: I have an LRB lower I was to Form 1. For Block 4 (this is using eforms, BTW), do I put "LRB Arms," or "JV Machine Co?" Both manufacturers are on the lower and both are in the database. Thanks. JV Machine Co would be my guess. Sounds like LRB didn't get a variance approved but decided to take the quicker and easier way out. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2013 10:19:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
JV Machine Co would be my guess. Sounds like LRB didn't get a variance approved but decided to take the quicker and easier way out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By SWODaddy:
Stupid question and it's probably been answered before, but I can't find it: I have an LRB lower I was to Form 1. For Block 4 (this is using eforms, BTW), do I put "LRB Arms," or "JV Machine Co?" Both manufacturers are on the lower and both are in the database. Thanks. JV Machine Co would be my guess. Sounds like LRB didn't get a variance approved but decided to take the quicker and easier way out. Thanks, that's what I was guessing as well. |
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Posted: 9/14/2013 2:30:04 PM EDT
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So, have the new trust rules taken effect or can I still rush a trust through and get 'er done? I can get a LEO signature, but need a trust anyway, and it's a PITA to get the signature time-wise.
 Stupid, and all for 2.5" of barrel length. Tempted to leave it a pistol.
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Posted: 9/17/2013 11:02:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morg308:
So, have the new trust rules taken effect or can I still rush a trust through and get 'er done? I can get a LEO signature, but need a trust anyway, and it's a PITA to get the signature time-wise. Stupid, and all for 2.5" of barrel length. Tempted to leave it a pistol.I'm wondering the same thing |
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Posted: 9/18/2013 11:57:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dayphotog:
I'm wondering the same thing Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dayphotog:
Originally Posted By Morg308:
So, have the new trust rules taken effect or can I still rush a trust through and get 'er done? I can get a LEO signature, but need a trust anyway, and it's a PITA to get the signature time-wise. Stupid, and all for 2.5" of barrel length. Tempted to leave it a pistol.I'm wondering the same thing New rules have not taken effect yet. |
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Posted: 9/23/2013 12:37:15 AM EDT
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Trying to do a Form 1 on Eforms. My town is split between two counties, my address is within the smaller part in the second county. Eforms auto-fills the county with the other, larger part of my town.
Any way to override or add a note later that will make it okay? Or should I stick with the paper form? |
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Posted: 9/29/2013 10:39:18 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tony_k:
Either is fine -- they cash it just as fast. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tony_k:
Originally Posted By mayor_quimby:
Originally Posted By midwestoffroad:
2 two sided copies if your form1 COC form Schedule if assets sheet 5 pages of ny trust Check to batfe And I mail. Mind in a flat rate priorty mail envelope $5.20 so I can track it. My question is on the schedule A. What do you. list as form of ownership Joint,sole,joint tendency in common,tangible ect I took this as make a check out to BATFE or does it have to be made out to the Department of Justice. I know its on the form just wanted to clarify . Either is fine -- they cash it just as fast. Just FYI I made mine out to Dept of Treasury and it got kicked. Must be BATF on the paperwork. I have a pic somewhere if you need. |
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Posted: 10/10/2013 4:13:05 PM EDT
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So, i need to have the Cleo sign twice if I am just doing one tax stamp, right? Two total Form 1's have to be sent in?
Also, for the Fingerprint cards, can I print them off of the website, or do i need the actual cards that they would send to me? I am a NFA newbie, and trying to figure out that stuff before the NFA opens abck up so I can have everything ready to go |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 10/10/2013 5:15:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By derek1387: So, i need to have the Cleo sign twice if I am just doing one tax stamp, right? Two total Form 1's have to be sent in? Also, for the Fingerprint cards, can I print them off of the website, or do i need the actual cards that they would send to me? I am a NFA newbie, and trying to figure out that stuff before the NFA opens abck up so I can have everything ready to go Ideally you will contact the BATFE to order THEIR fingerprint cards which are the blue lined ones with their info stamped on it. Most LE agencies use the same but it will have their own info stamped on it and you can't send this. Either the BATFE one sent to you from the BATFE or a blank one that they can then stamp with their own info once it arrives are the best bet. I have also heard some will had write in the BATFE's info but I would prefer letting them stamp it since I was told this is what they prefer. Either way it's not just something you can print out at home are they are a certain size, shape & printed on a certain card stock that's thicker than paper. It's a very specific document that you need to attain to include.
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Posted: 10/11/2013 10:48:04 PM EDT
[#13]
OK. I ordered the documents on line... hopefully they still send them out while the government is shut down.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/20/2013 1:10:53 PM EDT
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Hey Stan,
Have you, or anyone else that you know of, here or on another site, done any update on this guide to the ATF Form 1. I think your post is excellent and from what I get from reading your 2009 "update" it's basically still pretty much current. The only question that I have is on line 4a and 4c, e, f. I have been told by a couple of guys that my name, as manufacturer should now go in line 4a and that "multi" should go in 4c. But others have said just the opposite. Line 4a should be (in my case) the name of whoever manufactured the lower receiver and in 4c, e, f, I should give a list of whatever possible combos could ever be used on that lower..re: 5.56mm. 9mm. .300blk, etc and then list all the barrel lengths that could be used. Some have said use an attachment, others say use line 4h. To me, your instructions which are mostly common sense along with the actual ATF instructions, are what most likely would apply. But as long as it takes even if filled out 100% correct I don't want to have to go through having it sent back disapproved due to my own errors in completion of the form. If you are still around and if you know the current correct info on this I'd appreciate any type of answers you may provide. I'm very new here, again, and am still trying to navigate the site. Thanks much, Deadeye95 Van |
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Posted: 10/20/2013 1:22:25 PM EDT
[#15]
Original manufacturer of the Title I firearm goes in 4a. The rest of field 4 needs to be filled in with the initial configuration you'll be building. Don't put "multi" or list multiple options. Your form will get kicked back for errors. 4h is for additional markings on the firearm, leave it blank unless you're using an imported firearm. In that case put the Importer's info there.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/20/2013 1:45:22 PM EDT
[#16]
Thanks, Josh............Appreciate it.
I'm going to my CLEO tomorrow a.m. and in my case, it could get interesting. I live within city limits and have heard that the county Sheriff does not sign Form 1's or 4.s for anyone except his "buddies". This is al second hand talk and may not be an issue. If he refuses I'll probably go to the City Chief of Police's office. I don't know if that will piss off the sheriff (if he will not sign) but I'll find out, I guess. I don't really want to go the trust or corporate route but will if I have to. Thanks again. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2013 3:38:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshAston:
Original manufacturer of the Title I firearm goes in 4a. The rest of field 4 needs to be filled in with the initial configuration you'll be building. Don't put "multi" or list multiple options. Your form will get kicked back for errors. 4h is for additional markings on the firearm, leave it blank unless you're using an imported firearm. In that case put the Importer's info there. So nowhere on the form do you list what you engrave? Then why engrave? |
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Posted: 10/30/2013 7:24:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIENAR:
So nowhere on the form do you list what you engrave? Then why engrave? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIENAR:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Original manufacturer of the Title I firearm goes in 4a. The rest of field 4 needs to be filled in with the initial configuration you'll be building. Don't put "multi" or list multiple options. Your form will get kicked back for errors. 4h is for additional markings on the firearm, leave it blank unless you're using an imported firearm. In that case put the Importer's info there. So nowhere on the form do you list what you engrave? Then why engrave? Because you are required to do so when making a firearm |
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Posted: 10/30/2013 8:05:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIENAR:
So nowhere on the form do you list what you engrave? Then why engrave? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WIENAR:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Original manufacturer of the Title I firearm goes in 4a. The rest of field 4 needs to be filled in with the initial configuration you'll be building. Don't put "multi" or list multiple options. Your form will get kicked back for errors. 4h is for additional markings on the firearm, leave it blank unless you're using an imported firearm. In that case put the Importer's info there. So nowhere on the form do you list what you engrave? Then why engrave? What you engrave is already listed in block 3b. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2013 10:00:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
Because you are required to do so when making a firearm Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE:
Originally Posted By WIENAR:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Original manufacturer of the Title I firearm goes in 4a. The rest of field 4 needs to be filled in with the initial configuration you'll be building. Don't put "multi" or list multiple options. Your form will get kicked back for errors. 4h is for additional markings on the firearm, leave it blank unless you're using an imported firearm. In that case put the Importer's info there. So nowhere on the form do you list what you engrave? Then why engrave? Because you are required to do so when making a firearm I know this, I am just asking from the ATF's perspective, isn't that what 4h is for? 3b is your entire address, street included, but only city and state are requred on engraving. Let me clarify....this is in reference to taking a store bought lower and submitting form 1 for SBR, not original manufacture. I am just not willing to wait 15 months to get my form pushed back for something silly, and I've never done a form 1. That's why I'm asking the experts 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2013 10:02:09 PM EDT
[#21]
I was prowling around the ATF web site yesterday and somewhere, I swear I did not dream it, I saw something about a change in the required info on engravings. It was in the section on SBR's and the requirements being changed, or about to be changed. I went back and naturally can not find it. It was either a change or proposal and had a July 2013 date. If someone else knows what I'm trying to talk about or if it has been already posted elsewhere here I'd really appreciate someone making me aware. If I do find it and it's pertinent, I'll post. Thanks
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/30/2013 10:12:56 PM EDT
[#22]
I just found it. It's a RULING, not a proposal and it's number 2013-3. I'm not sure now if anything in this changes anything that was already there or not. I'm just in the learning stage and am not afraid to ask questions and I also try to share what I think someone else may be able to use. There is so much that I don't know that practically all is something that I CAN use.
I am trying to do this correctly (legally). I don't know how much of what I hear about "big bad ATF" is true and how much is scary BS, but I have learned and read enough that I don't want to test them to find out. |
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Posted: 11/11/2013 3:11:14 PM EDT
[#23]
This is probably a stupid question, but I'll ask anyways.
How do you know the overall length of the SBR for the form 1 if it's not assembled of don't have all the parts? I plan on building a pistol while I wait for the stamp. I know the barrel length I plan on using, but haven't picked a stock. |
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Posted: 11/11/2013 3:38:11 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Got_Nukes:
This is probably a stupid question, but I'll ask anyways. How do you know the overall length of the SBR for the form 1 if it's not assembled of don't have all the parts? I plan on building a pistol while I wait for the stamp. I know the barrel length I plan on using, but haven't picked a stock. Just about every combination has been built and the lengths are known. I just picked what stock I thought I would use and went with that. There is nothing to stop you from changing a stock after a gun is built so I dont see the problem. Pick one and pick the length and move on. I really dont think it is that important |
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Posted: 12/2/2013 12:17:12 PM EDT
[#25]
I've seen this question asked a few times in different ways, so please forgive my repetition. I'm doing my first form 1s with my trust.
From comments here, it seems like best course is to leave 4H blank. For 3b do I have to put my full trust name ie Mickey M Mouse, or can I put M.M. Mouse? I know what ever is in 3b is what has to be engraved later. |
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Posted: 12/2/2013 3:58:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tojan19:
I've seen this question asked a few times in different ways, so please forgive my repetition. I'm doing my first form 1s with my trust. From comments here, it seems like best course is to leave 4H blank. For 3b do I have to put my full trust name ie Mickey M Mouse, or can I put M.M. Mouse? I know what ever is in 3b is what has to be engraved later. 3b has to match, letter for letter, the name of the trust as it is listed in the trust documentation you submit. In turn, the exact same trust name must be engraved. But they will check the trust docs vs. what you put in 3b, and bounce the Form 1 if they do not match. |
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Posted: 12/3/2013 9:09:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tony_k: 3b has to match, letter for letter, the name of the trust as it is listed in the trust documentation you submit. In turn, the exact same trust name must be engraved. But they will check the trust docs vs. what you put in 3b, and bounce the Form 1 if they do not match. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tony_k: Originally Posted By tojan19: I've seen this question asked a few times in different ways, so please forgive my repetition. I'm doing my first form 1s with my trust. From comments here, it seems like best course is to leave 4H blank. For 3b do I have to put my full trust name ie Mickey M Mouse, or can I put M.M. Mouse? I know what ever is in 3b is what has to be engraved later. 3b has to match, letter for letter, the name of the trust as it is listed in the trust documentation you submit. In turn, the exact same trust name must be engraved. But they will check the trust docs vs. what you put in 3b, and bounce the Form 1 if they do not match. |
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Posted: 12/3/2013 10:26:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jarmstrong1029:
"revocable living" needs to be included in the engraving if its written on the form that way, correct? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jarmstrong1029:
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Originally Posted By tojan19:
I've seen this question asked a few times in different ways, so please forgive my repetition. I'm doing my first form 1s with my trust. From comments here, it seems like best course is to leave 4H blank. For 3b do I have to put my full trust name ie Mickey M Mouse, or can I put M.M. Mouse? I know what ever is in 3b is what has to be engraved later. 3b has to match, letter for letter, the name of the trust as it is listed in the trust documentation you submit. In turn, the exact same trust name must be engraved. But they will check the trust docs vs. what you put in 3b, and bounce the Form 1 if they do not match. If "revokable living" is in the name of the trust, as it is written in the trust documents, then "revokable living" must be included in both 3b and in the engraving on the actual firearm. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 12/4/2013 11:09:19 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tony_k:
If "revokable living" is in the name of the trust, as it is written in the trust documents, then "revokable living" must be included in both 3b and in the engraving on the actual firearm. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tony_k:
Originally Posted By jarmstrong1029:
Originally Posted By tony_k:
Originally Posted By tojan19:
I've seen this question asked a few times in different ways, so please forgive my repetition. I'm doing my first form 1s with my trust. From comments here, it seems like best course is to leave 4H blank. For 3b do I have to put my full trust name ie Mickey M Mouse, or can I put M.M. Mouse? I know what ever is in 3b is what has to be engraved later. 3b has to match, letter for letter, the name of the trust as it is listed in the trust documentation you submit. In turn, the exact same trust name must be engraved. But they will check the trust docs vs. what you put in 3b, and bounce the Form 1 if they do not match. If "revokable living" is in the name of the trust, as it is written in the trust documents, then "revokable living" must be included in both 3b and in the engraving on the actual firearm. +1...I almost got F'ed over that. I was told by my dealer that revocable living trust was optional. I was told by NFA it is NOT without a doubt and not valid if I dont add..... |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 12/4/2013 11:10:18 PM EDT
[#30]
Also not to be a grammar nazi but it is revocable....I wrote revokable on my form 1 and got it kicked back.
Just an FYI. |
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:19:55 PM EDT
[#31]
So if the trust name is: 'Mickey Mouse Revocable Living Trust' I understand that you must put that on both lines, but do you have to engrave the entire thing on the receiver or can you just engrave 'Mickey Mouse Trust' ?
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Posted: 12/5/2013 1:49:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morg308:
So if the trust name is: 'Mickey Mouse Revocable Living Trust' I understand that you must put that on both lines, but do you have to engrave the entire thing on the receiver or can you just engrave 'Mickey Mouse Trust' ? Here is what NFA Branch says: 
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Posted: 12/5/2013 2:44:13 PM EDT
[#33]
Thanks Tony.
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Posted: 12/28/2013 12:12:58 PM EDT
[#34]
Based on current feedback from the ATF and from those applicants getting rejection notices, item 4d may need to be update.
Assuming a stripped lower is being used, the exact model engraved on the lower needs to be input. And when I say exact, I mean exact. One member here was rejected when building his on a Spike's lower that said ST15, because he input ST-15. The discussion I started is here: What to use for model on eForm... And I don't see why the paper forms would be any different. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2014 5:26:31 AM EDT
[#35]
I'm sorry for the dumb question but I just got my trust set up and am in "omg nfa everything" mode.
If I Form 1 one of my current guns, is there a requirement to be capable of immediately assembling the new weapon upon approval? Or can I take my time in acquiring the new upper receiver (or barrel) after the Form 1 is approved? Thanks! |
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Posted: 1/3/2014 11:45:54 AM EDT
[#36]
I don't think there's a time constrain since it is a application to build a firearm. But you could have every thing purchased but the barrel legally.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/3/2014 9:08:06 PM EDT
[#37]
Thanks for the info.
So if I get a Form 1 approved on a currently owned complete 16 inch rifle, can I continue to use it in non-NFA configuration until I acquire all my parts for the SBR build? |
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Posted: 1/3/2014 10:12:35 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mobil1:
Thanks for the info. So if I get a Form 1 approved on a currently owned complete 16 inch rifle, can I continue to use it in non-NFA configuration until I acquire all my parts for the SBR build? You can always use it in non-NFA configuration, as I understand it. So, you can swap out the NFA upper as you like. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/19/2014 9:10:39 PM EDT
[#39]
I just have a few thank you and that is all.
Thank you to the OP for taking the time in making the guide. Thank you to those who continue to answer repeated questions by those who fail to read or use their brain. Finally a thank you to those who actually did read or have a little common sense and did not flood the thread with repeated or nonsense questions. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2014 7:25:37 PM EDT
[#40]
The problem with engraving AFTER you get your tax stamp is that the receiver is now a title II firearm, and only you or someone on your trust can possess it.
So I can't leave it with the engraver unless the receiver is owned by a trust and I temporarily put the engraver on the trust. Obviously if you do your own engraving it's not a problem. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2014 8:26:09 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WizardBlack:
I didn't see a lot of commentary about how I implemented lawful purchase of NFA stuff. I see a lot of guys are going through a lot for a trust with a lawyer. Much of that stuff pertains to inheritance and whatnot. I personally just started an LLC. This required merely an online state-level tax ID application (had it printed out in15 minutes literally) and then a written and mailed Federal EIN number (Employers Identification Number) application using the name from the state application. This is the requirement to have a govt. recognized business, not only if you are going to hire employees. Anyways, I started an LLC strictly for buying stuff like this. I have already gone through a form III and it went smooth. Anyways, going through the trust stuff with a lawyer is unnecessary IMHO. Likewise you cannot have a registered business name with the word "trust" in it since that is reserved for bank names. I hope this helps. I guess my request is to revise the OP to mention an LLC as a quicker DIY alternative to a lawyer-initiated trust. I had lots of assistance from a dealer in recognizing that it works just fine. Ultimately the goober-ment just wants a way to keep track of you. That, and more loot in their war chest. The trust gives you the ability to let other people possess the firearm. So if you want to let your brother borrow it, he just needs to be on the trust (and obviously the paperwork needs to be with the firearm also). |
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Posted: 3/27/2014 8:02:19 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By moshbucket:
The trust gives you the ability to let other people possess the firearm. So if you want to let your brother borrow it, he just needs to be on the trust (and obviously the paperwork needs to be with the firearm also). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By moshbucket:
Originally Posted By WizardBlack:
I didn't see a lot of commentary about how I implemented lawful purchase of NFA stuff. I see a lot of guys are going through a lot for a trust with a lawyer. Much of that stuff pertains to inheritance and whatnot. I personally just started an LLC. This required merely an online state-level tax ID application (had it printed out in15 minutes literally) and then a written and mailed Federal EIN number (Employers Identification Number) application using the name from the state application. This is the requirement to have a govt. recognized business, not only if you are going to hire employees. Anyways, I started an LLC strictly for buying stuff like this. I have already gone through a form III and it went smooth. Anyways, going through the trust stuff with a lawyer is unnecessary IMHO. Likewise you cannot have a registered business name with the word "trust" in it since that is reserved for bank names. I hope this helps. I guess my request is to revise the OP to mention an LLC as a quicker DIY alternative to a lawyer-initiated trust. I had lots of assistance from a dealer in recognizing that it works just fine. Ultimately the goober-ment just wants a way to keep track of you. That, and more loot in their war chest. The trust gives you the ability to let other people possess the firearm. So if you want to let your brother borrow it, he just needs to be on the trust (and obviously the paperwork needs to be with the firearm also). LLCs allow the same. They may require a more intensive start up and annual maintenance depending on your state and local laws. That was the reason for trusts becoming popular, same benefits as an LLC (no CLEO sign off, multiple parties, etc.) without the hassle of setting up and maintaining a corporation. Some locales, an LLC may be just as easy or even easier than a trust, but in most it's not. |
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SD, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2014 12:59:41 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadeye95:
I just found it. It's a RULING, not a proposal and it's number 2013-3. I'm not sure now if anything in this changes anything that was already there or not. I'm just in the learning stage and am not afraid to ask questions and I also try to share what I think someone else may be able to use. There is so much that I don't know that practically all is something that I CAN use. I am trying to do this correctly (legally). I don't know how much of what I hear about "big bad ATF" is true and how much is scary BS, but I have learned and read enough that I don't want to test them to find out. I had to go check this out. You still have to engrave them with name and location. It also looks like you have to engrave the caliber now if you are using a multi receiver. https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf-files/atf-ruling-2013-3-adopting-identification-on-firearms.pdf |
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Posted: 4/2/2014 1:52:40 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iamnotafanofgravel: I had to go check this out. You still have to engrave them with name and location. It also looks like you have to engrave the caliber now if you are using a multi receiver. https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf-files/atf-ruling-2013-3-adopting-identification-on-firearms.pdf Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iamnotafanofgravel: Originally Posted By Deadeye95: I just found it. It's a RULING, not a proposal and it's number 2013-3. I'm not sure now if anything in this changes anything that was already there or not. I'm just in the learning stage and am not afraid to ask questions and I also try to share what I think someone else may be able to use. There is so much that I don't know that practically all is something that I CAN use. I am trying to do this correctly (legally). I don't know how much of what I hear about "big bad ATF" is true and how much is scary BS, but I have learned and read enough that I don't want to test them to find out. I had to go check this out. You still have to engrave them with name and location. It also looks like you have to engrave the caliber now if you are using a multi receiver. https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf-files/atf-ruling-2013-3-adopting-identification-on-firearms.pdf |
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Posted: 5/5/2014 5:21:36 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iamnotafanofgravel:
I had to go check this out. You still have to engrave them with name and location. It also looks like you have to engrave the caliber now if you are using a multi receiver. https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf-files/atf-ruling-2013-3-adopting-identification-on-firearms.pdf Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iamnotafanofgravel:
Originally Posted By Deadeye95:
I just found it. It's a RULING, not a proposal and it's number 2013-3. I'm not sure now if anything in this changes anything that was already there or not. I'm just in the learning stage and am not afraid to ask questions and I also try to share what I think someone else may be able to use. There is so much that I don't know that practically all is something that I CAN use. I am trying to do this correctly (legally). I don't know how much of what I hear about "big bad ATF" is true and how much is scary BS, but I have learned and read enough that I don't want to test them to find out. I had to go check this out. You still have to engrave them with name and location. It also looks like you have to engrave the caliber now if you are using a multi receiver. https://www.atf.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf-files/atf-ruling-2013-3-adopting-identification-on-firearms.pdf I just got a Form 1 approved. I was instructed by the BATF that Box 4h is only to include the information you are adding to the firearm, such as your name or trust, city, state. If you are using a lower which was manufactured by a company, you use their markings for model, serial number and caliber. You would only engrave these if you were actually manufacturing the lower (such as an 80% lower). As was pointed out above, the barrel will usually have the caliber stamped on it. So if you changing calibers from what was originally marked, or if it was originally marked "multi-caliber" no engraving of the caliber would be required on the receiver as long as it is on the barrel. If there are no caliber markings on the barrel, then you would need to mark the frame, receiver, barrel, or pistol slide (if applicable) with the actual caliber/gauge once the caliber or gauge is known. If in doubt, call the BATF and ask to speak with an examiner. In my experience they are very friendly and very helpful. |
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Posted: 5/5/2014 7:36:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: snakeman48]
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Just used this thread to fill out my first Form 1 to attach a stock to my Sig P556 pistol.
Thanks to the OP for his time and effort to spell out the process. Form 1 mailed off on 04/ 29/ 2014 Received in Martinsburg on 05/ 01/ 2014 Check cashed on 05/ 05/ 2014 |
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Posted: 5/22/2014 10:32:34 AM EDT
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Regarding question 4-A, Name and Location of Original Manufacturer.
My rifle was made by Bushmaster when they were in Maine. They are now in NY I believe. Should I fill in 4-A as it appears on my rifle, such as : B.F.I. Windham, ME U.S.A Or should I put Bushmaster Windham, ME USA Or simply Bushmaster, United States Any recommendations appreciated. |
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Posted: 5/22/2014 10:45:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTGunner82:
Regarding question 4-A, Name and Location of Original Manufacturer. My rifle was made by Bushmaster when they were in Maine. They are now in NY I believe. Should I fill in 4-A as it appears on my rifle, such as : I've always put Mfg Name, CIty, State as it appears on the firearm. So, "BFI, Windham, ME." |
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Posted: 5/22/2014 10:56:53 AM EDT
[#49]
Always a good reference
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Posted: 6/3/2014 11:16:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: scul]
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I've looked through most of this thread, and didn't see my questions asked (filing as an individual, btw):
1. The name I engrave has to be exactly the same as the name I put in 3b, correct? If so, is it acceptable to put First Last as my name, or does it need the middle name (full or initial?) also? 2. I am going to build an SBR off an Anderson lower. Under 4a, should I put Anderson Mfg. as is on the receiver, or Anderson Manufacturing, which is their legal name? I assume it's the latter. Edit: Looks like my second question was answered just two posts up by JoshAston. Doh! Seems that the former Anderson Mfg. would be acceptable. |
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