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Link Posted: 3/17/2017 9:44:30 AM EDT
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Wasn't loose, wobbly, no full-auto, rapid fire.


Best guess is that one of the old M855/SS109 rounds in my ammo can did it. That's the only thing that was different really. Usually it's just IMI and Federal 223.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 10:39:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
it musta shot loose and got wobbly. somewhere i heard that ops cans do that. so, did it?

ive had 3 endcap strikes since 2012 on my 5.56 can. 2 needed service. its always shitty to see. it makes me want a .30 aem5 if i did it. 
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I've had the opposite experience with mine, my AEM5 cinches on tight and requires a little bit of effort to unscrew.

-Kirby
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 12:01:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ArmedFerret:
I'm still waiting for mine to ship to my xfer dealer.  
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Originally Posted By ArmedFerret:
Originally Posted By Regulatori:

Waiting for my AEM5 is killing me.
I'm still waiting for mine to ship to my xfer dealer.  
I'm in the same boat - waiting on 2 AEM 5's.

I was told about 3 months to get the transfer to my local dealer accomplished and then the real wait will begin.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 12:15:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By chenault:
No no lets keep this going; at this rate someone will trade me a GAP bolt action for my MRE rail.  Thank god I finished the last of my builds 6 months ago at this rate I would need a morgage.

I'm afraid the days of pushing refresh a 100 times a day to find a part may be ending and the era of deep pockets beginning.
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Originally Posted By chenault:
Originally Posted By HaveBlue83:
spending 3 hours a day for weeks at a time to get a stock for $120 literally IS the clone game. paying $800 for a stock is funny. like me laughing at whoever paid that for a stock that can be found for 250 or less. 

i just wish people would hold off and in turn it would keep the prices inside the atmosphere. 

ithen again, i have 2500 into a rifle that i would laugh at if someone paid 2500 for an ar15. who the fuck DOES THA....oh. oh wait, this guy did that. lol. 

#clonewars
#donthatetheclonehatethegame
No no lets keep this going; at this rate someone will trade me a GAP bolt action for my MRE rail.  Thank god I finished the last of my builds 6 months ago at this rate I would need a morgage.

I'm afraid the days of pushing refresh a 100 times a day to find a part may be ending and the era of deep pockets beginning.
That's the truth! I'm happy I finished my mod 0 last year
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 12:16:45 PM EDT
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@Haveblue - incase you were still thinking about it



Edit for 800!

Link Posted: 3/17/2017 12:26:54 PM EDT
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Has anyone done any side-by-side testing of new Black Hills Mk262 vs their re-manufactured stuff? I can't imagine there being a big difference but I haven't seen many reviews on the reman stuff.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 12:39:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Regulatori:
This might end up on page 800 so figure I'll post a pic.

I had to do a group shot of my MK12 and my new purchase. Both are tack drivers but the M24 is on a different level. 5 shot groups look like a slightly larger ragged 45 ACP hole.

Had to add a mole skin pad because the original camo wrap was ripping out my beard.


Waiting for my AEM5 is killing me.


http://i.imgur.com/6iic1x0.jpg
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That SPR with Nightforce x24 looks so good. Bravo.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 2:13:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cjwwd2:
Has anyone done any side-by-side testing of new Black Hills Mk262 vs their re-manufactured stuff? I can't imagine there being a big difference but I haven't seen many reviews on the reman stuff.
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The reman stuff is not 5.56 pressure.  AFAIK.  Unless they're doing a reman Mk262 now.   But the different pressures between .223 and 5.56 may cause a difference in accuracy.   Plus, I don't think the blue box has any primer or case neck sealant.  That could cause some changes too.    Don't know if you mean 1 might shoot better than the other or not.  PLUS, this I'm not completely sure, but wasn't the Mk262 eventually changed to the Nosler 77 grain bullet?  Maybe not.  But it used to be that their Blue Box was the 77 grain Sierra bullet.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 3:42:49 PM EDT
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PSA: Mk12 RAS back in stock at OpParts. Looks like they have 20 of them!

http://www.operationparts.com/knights-armament-long-ff-ras-mk12-mod-1/?utm_source=instocknotify&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=instocknotify
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 3:53:32 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/17/2017 4:11:58 PM EDT
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Well done!
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 4:24:02 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JJREA:


The reman stuff is not 5.56 pressure.  AFAIK.  Unless they're doing a reman Mk262 now.   But the different pressures between .223 and 5.56 may cause a difference in accuracy.   Plus, I don't think the blue box has any primer or case neck sealant.  That could cause some changes too.    Don't know if you mean 1 might shoot better than the other or not.  PLUS, this I'm not completely sure, but wasn't the Mk262 eventually changed to the Nosler 77 grain bullet?  Maybe not.  But it used to be that their Blue Box was the 77 grain Sierra bullet.
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Thanks for the info. I'm pretty sure they've stuck with the Sierra bullet though.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 5:01:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By STXDobie:
PSA: Mk12 RAS back in stock at OpParts. Looks like they have 20 of them!

http://www.operationparts.com/knights-armament-long-ff-ras-mk12-mod-1/?utm_source=instocknotify&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=instocknotify
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Annnnd they're gone. Glad I snagged one while I could!
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 5:05:23 PM EDT
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Today was a good mail day at my place! One step closer and some bullets to try out.

Link Posted: 3/17/2017 5:05:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By vanquishings:


Annnnd they're gone. Glad I snagged one while I could!
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Wow, this is getting nutty. I imagine it was one or two buyers hoarding them.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 5:06:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By vanquishings:
Today was a good mail day at my place! One step closer and some bullets to try out.

https://i.imgur.com/jpj2OdC.jpg
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So is the case in better shape than the pics appeared? Mine arrives on Monday, can't wait.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 5:18:33 PM EDT
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Gun show finds, colt forwards, and the 99051 was less than you think

Trade it for a NICE set of NLS 22h rings!
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 5:22:46 PM EDT
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Wow, this is getting nutty. I imagine it was one or two buyers hoarding them.
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Wow, this is getting nutty. I imagine it was one or two buyers hoarding them.
Seriously. I bought one, there were 14 left. I refresh 10 minutes later outta curiousity, they're gone. My money is on someone bought 10+. They really should limit quantity per household. I know they gotta make money, but spread the love around!

Originally Posted By STXDobie:


So is the case in better shape than the pics appeared? Mine arrives on Monday, can't wait.
Well, I wouldn't say the "case" is, persay. It's beat to shit. But that's what makes it cool to me.

The FOAM on the other hand, is exceptional. One small tear on the lower receiver cut out, but that's it. Some discoloration, but it looks great. I'll load it up later tonight with all my gear to see how it handles. Thankfully, the foam isn't glued in or anything crazy. I plan on taking it to a local foam place and seeing if I give them a prototype, they could replicate it, and how much it'd cost.

Would be nice to be able to just have a few extra foam cut outs laying around! Especially if I can get it done for cheap. Maybe that's just wishful thinking, though. It would be the first cheap Mk12 thing I've encountered yet. :P
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 5:39:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Who sees what's wrong with this picture?

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3755/33330554102_da1f2f10de_o.jpgEndcap by LanceCriminal86, on Flickr
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Damn, I don't like seeing that at all, even if it seems minor. Obviously everything was tight, the collar, brake. I find it difficult to think the cause was an old  surplus round, you should give Allen a call and ask him his thoughts.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 6:15:43 PM EDT
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PICS! You heathens....

(For page 800)



Link Posted: 3/17/2017 6:29:55 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/17/2017 6:50:56 PM EDT
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Pics for page 800!


Here's s 5 round group I shot today testing some hunting ammo for coyotes. This was federal fusion 62gr. Just weird that it shot 2.5" lower than 77gr otm.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 6:56:45 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/17/2017 7:15:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/17/2017 7:46:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mrsaturn7085:
Good luck everyone else...

Gen 1 ACE SOCOM

...I ducked out once it hit $800.
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I texted my buddy to tell him what his stock might be worth now!  But sadly for him it was just the skeleton stock and not the SOCOM.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 7:49:53 PM EDT
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Pic for 800!
Hopefully have it back together next week.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 7:55:50 PM EDT
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800 kit action
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 8:26:31 PM EDT
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15% off at Ballistic Advantage. God give me the strength to not buy a Holland barrel....
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 8:29:31 PM EDT
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I started my MOD 1 a while ago thinking hey I'll get the rail sooner or later but later never happened. I think it is pretty close but I deviated with the optic and mount. Now I am going to have to go with a set of 1.375 Rings to allow my PVS-22 to mount up. I was leaning to the x24 scope but opted for the x42 now I am really rethinking it.

I ordered the AEM5 so I will wait to paint her up.






Link Posted: 3/17/2017 8:36:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cjwwd2:


Thanks for the info. I'm pretty sure they've stuck with the Sierra bullet though.
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The (very early) change was from Sierra 77 gr. to Sierra 77 gr. w/cannelure, IIRC.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 9:04:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lurp06x:
Pics for page 800!
http://rs1058.pbsrc.com/albums/t403/buntonjonathan/IMG_0814_zpsjpy6t5yr.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

Here's s 5 round group I shot today testing some hunting ammo for coyotes. This was federal fusion 62gr. Just weird that it shot 2.5" lower than 77gr otm.
http://rs1058.pbsrc.com/albums/t403/buntonjonathan/IMG_0812_zps1rf4urov.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip
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Chrono the velocity of that Federal fusion, and that will give you your answer, probably not anything near what advertised. Also Litz did a nice article on how barrel twist can also effect actual velocity based in bullet weight.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 10:03:00 PM EDT
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Andrew and I's SPRs for 800.



Link Posted: 3/17/2017 10:39:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cjwwd2:


Thanks for the info. I'm pretty sure they've stuck with the Sierra bullet though.
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Yeah,  I'm not quite so sure about that.  You're probably right.  But I was doing a google and found this article and has some interesting things to say.  I'm not sure what's all true but it brought up another difference I forgot to say and that's the cannelure.  I don't think blue box has a cannelure but Mk262 does now.   The article made it seem like it was still the Sierra bullet.  I'm not sure why I thought they changed to the Nosler.  

http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammo/special-forces-to-civilians-black-hills-mk-262-mod-1-review/

Anyways.....  My guess is people would typically see better accuracy from blue box, because of all those differences.  But since EVERY BARREL IS PREJUDICED, someone would just have to see for themselves.  You know, I don't think I've ever bought Mk262 ever.  And I think I might now......  Just for fun.  Or for HD too.  Although the TSX is probably the better choice for that now.  Except that stuff goes like over a buck a round.  Like 1.37 or something.  And really, the cannelure and primer sealent and case neck sealant make MK262 a good choice.   In case you are showering with your AR.  You know, for the hardcore AR peeps.  

Another interesting article on an even different load from Black Hills, the 77 grain TMK.  A tipped bullet.....  But not mk262.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/06/09/black-hills-77-grain-tipped-matchking-precision-5-56mm-ammo/
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 11:17:11 PM EDT
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Anyone tell me who had the mod 0/1 manuals? id like to buy few
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 11:39:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lurp06x:
Pics for page 800!
http://rs1058.pbsrc.com/albums/t403/buntonjonathan/IMG_0814_zpsjpy6t5yr.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

Here's s 5 round group I shot today testing some hunting ammo for coyotes. This was federal fusion 62gr. Just weird that it shot 2.5" lower than 77gr otm.
http://rs1058.pbsrc.com/albums/t403/buntonjonathan/IMG_0812_zps1rf4urov.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip
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62gr fusions are loaded to 223 spec pressures, 55k. You should see the drop at 400yards vs the 556 77s loaded to 62k cup.

Vanquishings, take a peek at the Berger 70 vlds and 77 tactical, they shoot lights out for me in a 1-8tw wylde, 18" and 10.5" lengths.
Link Posted: 3/17/2017 11:47:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RubiconJk:
62gr fusions are loaded to 223 spec pressures, 55k. You should see the drop at 400yards vs the 556 77s loaded to 62k cup.

Vanquishings, take a peek at the Berger 70 vlds and 77 tactical, they shoot lights out for me in a 1-8tw wylde, 18" and 10.5" lengths.
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Originally Posted By RubiconJk:
Originally Posted By Lurp06x:
Pics for page 800!
http://rs1058.pbsrc.com/albums/t403/buntonjonathan/IMG_0814_zpsjpy6t5yr.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

Here's s 5 round group I shot today testing some hunting ammo for coyotes. This was federal fusion 62gr. Just weird that it shot 2.5" lower than 77gr otm.
http://rs1058.pbsrc.com/albums/t403/buntonjonathan/IMG_0812_zps1rf4urov.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip
62gr fusions are loaded to 223 spec pressures, 55k. You should see the drop at 400yards vs the 556 77s loaded to 62k cup.

Vanquishings, take a peek at the Berger 70 vlds and 77 tactical, they shoot lights out for me in a 1-8tw wylde, 18" and 10.5" lengths.
RubiconJK, whatever I try I can't beat the 73 Berger's at the moment, have them cruising along at 2800, super groups, funny considering they were the original bullet chosen for 262.
Link Posted: 3/18/2017 12:11:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By tamboi:


RubiconJK, whatever I try I can't beat the 73 Berger's at the moment, have them cruising along at 2800, super groups, funny considering they were the original bullet chosen for 262.
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Maybe I got a bad batch my first try, but the 73s I had, .8gr difference in one box. Low was...72.4 and high was 73.2. Hate having to weigh and sort bullets. I'm use to seeing no more than .3 variance from berger. I'll have to give them another try, since they are on sale at midway as we speak. Do you load to mag length, how far of a jump you running? Do you ladder or ocw workups?
Link Posted: 3/18/2017 12:12:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RubiconJk:


62gr fusions are loaded to 223 spec pressures, 55k. You should see the drop at 400yards vs the 556 77s loaded to 62k cup.

Vanquishings, take a peek at the Berger 70 vlds and 77 tactical, they shoot lights out for me in a 1-8tw wylde, 18" and 10.5" lengths.
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trying to find a decent hunting ammo. but the more i search the more it seems im better off rolling my own or sticking with mk262 stuff.

Will i catch hell if i slap a vickers sling and blue force forward sling adapter on my mod 0?
Link Posted: 3/18/2017 12:28:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RubiconJk:


Maybe I got a bad batch my first try, but the 73s I had, .8gr difference in one box. Low was...72.4 and high was 73.2. Hate having to weigh and sort bullets. I'm use to seeing no more than .3 variance from berger. I'll have to give them another try, since they are on sale at midway as we speak. Do you load to mag length, how far of a jump you running? Do you ladder or ocw workups?
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Weights were typical of Berger, as usual excellent. I use Erik Cortinas method, I find it simply works for me. Loading of the ogive, to be honest they fit in the mags and that's about it, I never actually tried jumping them any length as accuracy seemed good enough?. Plus I'm terrible at shooting groups always pull one or two, that's a five shot group under the dime.
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Slightly different load, ten shots in total

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Numbers aren't bad either
Link Posted: 3/18/2017 12:40:24 AM EDT
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Numbers aren't bad either, this was for a total of nine shots with three different primers

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Link Posted: 3/18/2017 12:40:53 AM EDT
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since we finally hit a good number...

here's to 800.

Link Posted: 3/18/2017 12:54:25 AM EDT
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800!



Link Posted: 3/18/2017 1:25:56 AM EDT
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still waiting on my AEM5 from july.
Link Posted: 3/18/2017 1:47:28 AM EDT
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Had a good session with the Holland yesterday.  My Mod 1 was my #1 but I think the H has it beat but not by much and only cuz of the shorter barrel and lighter weight.
Link Posted: 3/18/2017 2:30:15 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Doc_Lane:
My Mk12 Mod 1 is finally done.  I started the build in the fall of 2014 with a NoDak Spud A1 receiver and finished it this week with a set of ARMS 22H NLS rings (thanks JJREA).  

First photo of the finished rifle...

http://i.imgur.com/FZeDQyr.jpg

I don't have the complete kit (case, sling, etc.), but I am happy to call it good.    





Now to finish Mk18 project I started a few months ago.  
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Outstanding!

Right behind you, same, same, only diff being a LMT Gen 1 SOPMOD. Just waiting on CLE to finish turning that Douglas barrel.
Excited is an understatement!
Link Posted: 3/18/2017 10:26:29 AM EDT
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That's how it's done right there.
Link Posted: 3/18/2017 10:57:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By IronBalaclava:
Outstanding!

Right behind you, same, same, only diff being a LMT Gen 1 SOPMOD. Just waiting on CLE to finish turning that Douglas barrel.
Excited is an understatement!
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Originally Posted By Doc_Lane:
My Mk12 Mod 1 is finally done.  I started the build in the fall of 2014 with a NoDak Spud A1 receiver and finished it this week with a set of ARMS 22H NLS rings (thanks JJREA).  

First photo of the finished rifle...

http://i.imgur.com/FZeDQyr.jpg

I don't have the complete kit (case, sling, etc.), but I am happy to call it good.    





Now to finish Mk18 project I started a few months ago.  
Outstanding!

Right behind you, same, same, only diff being a LMT Gen 1 SOPMOD. Just waiting on CLE to finish turning that Douglas barrel.
Excited is an understatement!
Very nice!  I look forward to seeing your rifle once it's finished.

I really like the SOPMOD stock, but decided to go old school on my Mk12.  In fact, I started off my Mk12 project intending to build a Mod 0.  I got the NoDak A1 receiver and used as many surplus M16A1 parts as I could, like the trigger guard, the stock, buffer tube, mag catch, the springs and pins - basically, everything that wasn't NFA regulated. I also got a Geissele trigger.

Then, at some point, I fell in love with the Mod 1.  I thought about building the upper but really liked what I saw and read about the HCS upper.  So, I ordered an upper from Kevin.  I am extremely happy with it.  

I decided to keep the A1 stock, and I really like the feel of it.

I will be getting a SOPMOD stock for my Mk18 build, so I can enjoy both the classic and the more modern stock experience with these two clones.
Link Posted: 3/18/2017 11:14:08 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/18/2017 11:23:48 AM EDT
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@lance. Hnnnnng. I've got a D3300 and can't get picture's like that to save my life. Is it mainly in your lens or lighting?
Link Posted: 3/18/2017 12:02:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By eMc9001:
@lance. Hnnnnng. I've got a D3300 and can't get picture's like that to save my life. Is it mainly in your lens or lighting?
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Stock kit lenses, no fancy flash.

I just use two lamps with the nice daylight white/blue bulbs and try to get uniform light, get a tripod, and use the aperture setting. Manually set ISO to 100 or 200 so it does a long exposure but keeps the quality high. I had some poster paper down but you can still obviously see the washing machine and concrete where I didn't have enough.

Oh, and in the Nikon RAW exposure tool thing I mess with the white balance and the contrast/levels. There's a tool to select a white point and black point I use those and find the lightest whit spot on the histogram. It helps a lot. Then fidget with white balance to get the right temperature so the paint has the right khaki/grey tone to it instead of an orange tint.
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