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Posted: 3/23/2015 8:01:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/23/2015 8:03:01 PM EDT
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MAC has another pic on his FB for anyone that wants to look it up. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 8:14:12 PM EDT
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Actually, if people want an AK that shoots 9mm then there actually won't be one available. This is a blowback firearm. That is a completely different operating principle from a long stroke piston. This really, in the end, is more like the Hi-Point you mock dressed up like an AK. For that reason, it is ridiculously overpriced and just because something is "not a cheap endeavor" that does not mean it will not turn out a cheap or simple design that is overpriced. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Too much $$$$. When you can get a Nano rife for $550, the AKX-9 prices itself too high. Unfortunate....  A Nano is too expensive, a Hi point carbine shoot 9mm and is a carbine! 
Point being, it isn't so much about the price, but rather if you want an AK that shoots 9mm, there now will be one available. I think people are confusing "pistol caliber" with "cheap" Engineering a 9mm AK from scratch is NOT a cheap endeavor, and neither is making it from all new parts and not just knocking it together from whatever scrap surplus kits there are. Actually, if people want an AK that shoots 9mm then there actually won't be one available. This is a blowback firearm. That is a completely different operating principle from a long stroke piston. This really, in the end, is more like the Hi-Point you mock dressed up like an AK. For that reason, it is ridiculously overpriced and just because something is "not a cheap endeavor" that does not mean it will not turn out a cheap or simple design that is overpriced. Hmm...had to look. If we got a real deal Vityaz it would be blowback and 99.9% of 9mm subguns are blowback. A few (including Sig) are still struggling to try to produce gas operated 9mm's. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 8:15:19 PM EDT
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I don't care that it is blowback as my Uzi is and it works just fine suppressed. Definitely want one of these 9mm AKs badly. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 8:15:27 PM EDT
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MAC has another pic on his FB for anyone that wants to look it up. 
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Posted: 3/23/2015 8:15:30 PM EDT
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Actually, if people want an AK that shoots 9mm then there actually won't be one available. This is a blowback firearm. That is a completely different operating principle from a long stroke piston. This really, in the end, is more like the Hi-Point you mock dressed up like an AK. For that reason, it is ridiculously overpriced and just because something is "not a cheap endeavor" that does not mean it will not turn out a cheap or simple design that is overpriced. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Too much $$$$. When you can get a Nano rife for $550, the AKX-9 prices itself too high. Unfortunate.... A Nano is too expensive, a Hi point carbine shoot 9mm and is a carbine!
Point being, it isn't so much about the price, but rather if you want an AK that shoots 9mm, there now will be one available. I think people are confusing "pistol caliber" with "cheap" Engineering a 9mm AK from scratch is NOT a cheap endeavor, and neither is making it from all new parts and not just knocking it together from whatever scrap surplus kits there are. Actually, if people want an AK that shoots 9mm then there actually won't be one available. This is a blowback firearm. That is a completely different operating principle from a long stroke piston. This really, in the end, is more like the Hi-Point you mock dressed up like an AK. For that reason, it is ridiculously overpriced and just because something is "not a cheap endeavor" that does not mean it will not turn out a cheap or simple design that is overpriced. Apparently Izmash doesn't know they aren't building 9mm AK's then when they build the 9mm Viyatz. There is a very good reason that there are few to no 9mm parabellum long stroke rifles and pistols- the engineering and math stack against it as a functional system. Boberg does it in their "bullpup" 9mm pistol, but that is about it. SIG has tried it in the subgun, and has learned the hard way that it is incredibly finicky and unreliable. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 9:26:18 PM EDT
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Apparently Izmash doesn't know they aren't building 9mm AK's then when they build the 9mm Viyatz. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Too much $$$$. When you can get a Nano rife for $550, the AKX-9 prices itself too high. Unfortunate.... A Nano is too expensive, a Hi point carbine shoot 9mm and is a carbine!
Point being, it isn't so much about the price, but rather if you want an AK that shoots 9mm, there now will be one available. I think people are confusing "pistol caliber" with "cheap" Engineering a 9mm AK from scratch is NOT a cheap endeavor, and neither is making it from all new parts and not just knocking it together from whatever scrap surplus kits there are. Actually, if people want an AK that shoots 9mm then there actually won't be one available. This is a blowback firearm. That is a completely different operating principle from a long stroke piston. This really, in the end, is more like the Hi-Point you mock dressed up like an AK. For that reason, it is ridiculously overpriced and just because something is "not a cheap endeavor" that does not mean it will not turn out a cheap or simple design that is overpriced. Apparently Izmash doesn't know they aren't building 9mm AK's then when they build the 9mm Viyatz. Actually, the seem quite aware of that fact on account that they call it a Viyatz  . Just because Izmash manufactures something does not mean it is an AK. For something to be an AK it would need to be built on the same operating principle of said firearm otherwise it is simple cosmetics. I mean hell, for you, a Fiero Mera is a Ferrari but that doesn't actually make it a Ferrari.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 9:33:15 PM EDT
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Actually, the seem quite aware of that fact on account that they call it a Viyatz . Just because Izmash manufactures something does not mean it is an AK. For something to be an AK it would need to be built on the same operating principle of said firearm otherwise it is simple cosmetics. I mean hell, for you, a Fiero Mera is a Ferrari but that doesn't actually make it a Ferrari.
So....the pistol caliber AR's aren't AR's? They are.......? |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 9:42:16 PM EDT
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So....the pistol caliber AR's aren't AR's? They are.......? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, the seem quite aware of that fact on account that they call it a Viyatz . Just because Izmash manufactures something does not mean it is an AK. For something to be an AK it would need to be built on the same operating principle of said firearm otherwise it is simple cosmetics. I mean hell, for you, a Fiero Mera is a Ferrari but that doesn't actually make it a Ferrari.
So....the pistol caliber AR's aren't AR's? They are.......? There are gas operated pistol caliber AR-15's
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Posted: 3/23/2015 9:42:36 PM EDT
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So....the pistol caliber AR's aren't AR's? They are.......? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually, the seem quite aware of that fact on account that they call it a Viyatz . Just because Izmash manufactures something does not mean it is an AK. For something to be an AK it would need to be built on the same operating principle of said firearm otherwise it is simple cosmetics. I mean hell, for you, a Fiero Mera is a Ferrari but that doesn't actually make it a Ferrari.
So....the pistol caliber AR's aren't AR's? They are.......? Fieros or something. Blofeld, seriously - the Vityaz isn't an AK because it's called a Vityaz, even though Izmash makes it, and it's commonly known as the 9mm AK.. Sigh. So you love the principle of the AK so much that this is some sort of Hi-Point in a bodykit to you, because it's not gas operated. Yet if it was gas-operated, it would be the opposite of an AK in the abstract: instead of simplistic and rock-solid reliable, it would be an ammo sensitive, unreliable, overly complex system. |
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Posted: 3/23/2015 9:49:08 PM EDT
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The AKX-9 is a blowback operating system & very reliable , it has been tested with a wide variety of ammo , It has also been tested with suppressors and works just fine.
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Posted: 3/23/2015 10:39:59 PM EDT
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This thread is getting a bit off track, some of the bickering over nomenclature is getting dangerously close to trolling, at best it is devolving into pointless arguing. This is a technical forum, and while we are pretty lax in what we allow, this isn't gd. If you want to argue and hold pissing matches, do it in GD, not in the technical forums.
Please keep thing civil. This is a great thread, with lots of useful and interesting information in it, I would hate to trash nine pages of good stuff over a few overheated posts. Calm down and behave civilly, or the thread gets locked, and we go from there. |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 2:37:51 PM EDT
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Atlantic,
What kind of volume will you all be producing these in off the bat? |
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Posted: 3/25/2015 3:46:14 PM EDT
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The AKX-9 is a blowback operating system & very reliable , it has been tested with a wide variety of ammo , It has also been tested with suppressors and works just fine. How well does it suppress with subs? |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 10:00:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Actually, if people want an AK that shoots 9mm then there actually won't be one available. This is a blowback firearm. That is a completely different operating principle from a long stroke piston. This really, in the end, is more like the Hi-Point you mock dressed up like an AK. For that reason, it is ridiculously overpriced and just because something is "not a cheap endeavor" that does not mean it will not turn out a cheap or simple design that is overpriced. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Too much $$$$. When you can get a Nano rife for $550, the AKX-9 prices itself too high. Unfortunate.... A Nano is too expensive, a Hi point carbine shoot 9mm and is a carbine! Point being, it isn't so much about the price, but rather if you want an AK that shoots 9mm, there now will be one available. I think people are confusing "pistol caliber" with "cheap" Engineering a 9mm AK from scratch is NOT a cheap endeavor, and neither is making it from all new parts and not just knocking it together from whatever scrap surplus kits there are. Actually, if people want an AK that shoots 9mm then there actually won't be one available. This is a blowback firearm. That is a completely different operating principle from a long stroke piston. This really, in the end, is more like the Hi-Point you mock dressed up like an AK. For that reason, it is ridiculously overpriced and just because something is "not a cheap endeavor" that does not mean it will not turn out a cheap or simple design that is overpriced. I'm not sure why you think the inclusion of a gas piston raises the cost of the firearm significantly. Perhaps you could enlighten us as to how you've come to this conclusion. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 5:39:26 PM EDT
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Another photo on the AK47Unions Face Book page..........https://www.facebook.com/AkOperatorsUnion/photos/a.660264900672459.1073741828.656164651082484/954754544556825/?type=1&theater
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Posted: 3/26/2015 6:43:17 PM EDT
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These teasers are just getting retarded. Trying to build hype is one thing.. but at this point they are just pissing people off.
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Posted: 3/26/2015 6:44:27 PM EDT
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Another photo on the AK47Unions Face Book page..........https://www.facebook.com/AkOperatorsUnion/photos/a.660264900672459.1073741828.656164651082484/954754544556825/?type=1&theater |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 7:30:15 PM EDT
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I received photo of a prototype of the gun, and for anyone thinking this is going to be anything like a vityaz, your going to be greatly disappointed... it's definitely going to be it's own thing, with some neat features, but it's not even close to a pp19. .
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Posted: 3/26/2015 7:33:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I received photo of a prototype of the gun, and for anyone thinking this is going to be anything like a vityaz, your going to be greatly disappointed... it's definitely going to be it's own thing, with some neat features, but it's not even close to a pp19. . |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 8:17:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2015 9:02:51 PM EDT
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I received photo of a prototype of the gun, and for anyone thinking this is going to be anything like a vityaz, your going to be greatly disappointed... it's definitely going to be it's own thing, with some neat features, but it's not even close to a pp19. . That's what I figured. The most unfortunate decision, in my view, was the choice of magazine. MP5 or Sterling mags would have helped AKX look a bit more like Vityaz. Nevertheless, I look forward to seeing this gun for sale. Hopefully, the price is palatable so I can pick one up. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 10:32:46 PM EDT
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Bigtiny , please post your pic we would like to see it
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Posted: 3/26/2015 10:53:45 PM EDT
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Bigtiny , please post your pic we would like to see it Sorry, I can't do that. I agreed not to share it.. |
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Posted: 3/26/2015 11:02:10 PM EDT
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Seems a bit odd that there are random pics of the gun floating around like that
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Posted: 3/26/2015 11:56:46 PM EDT
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Based on fike's photo I think it looks good. I don't know why people are upset that it isn't a direct copy of the Izhmash 9MM. I think the biggest concern is price right now, which unfortunately will mostly likely be on the high end of most predictions since this isn't going to be a mass produced weapon coming off a military/large corporate production line.
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Posted: 3/27/2015 4:24:34 AM EDT
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Actually, if people want an AK that shoots 9mm then there actually won't be one available. This is a blowback firearm. That is a completely different operating principle from a long stroke piston. This really, in the end, is more like the Hi-Point you mock dressed up like an AK. For that reason, it is ridiculously overpriced and just because something is "not a cheap endeavor" that does not mean it will not turn out a cheap or simple design that is overpriced. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Too much $$$$. When you can get a Nano rife for $550, the AKX-9 prices itself too high. Unfortunate.... A Nano is too expensive, a Hi point carbine shoot 9mm and is a carbine!
Point being, it isn't so much about the price, but rather if you want an AK that shoots 9mm, there now will be one available. I think people are confusing "pistol caliber" with "cheap" Engineering a 9mm AK from scratch is NOT a cheap endeavor, and neither is making it from all new parts and not just knocking it together from whatever scrap surplus kits there are. Actually, if people want an AK that shoots 9mm then there actually won't be one available. This is a blowback firearm. That is a completely different operating principle from a long stroke piston. This really, in the end, is more like the Hi-Point you mock dressed up like an AK. For that reason, it is ridiculously overpriced and just because something is "not a cheap endeavor" that does not mean it will not turn out a cheap or simple design that is overpriced. hmmm. Last time I checked my blowback 9mm aug isn't a glorified high point, infact I belive there are multitudes of blowback 9mm rifles, SBR's and smg's.... 9mm Aug, 9mm Tavor, 9mm ar15, 9mm uzi , swedish k , S&W 76, kelteck sub2000, Sten, sterling........ But yeah I get what your saying, all blowback weapons are just like high points. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 3:54:53 PM EDT
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Based on fike's photo I think it looks good. I don't know why people are upset that it isn't a direct copy of the Izhmash 9MM. I think the biggest concern is price right now, which unfortunately will mostly likely be on the high end of most predictions since this isn't going to be a mass produced weapon coming off a military/large corporate production line. I agree, isn't the fact that we'll have a 9mm AK based rifle good enough? There's always room to improve, but I for one am glad we have companies willing to take a risk and do stuff like this for the market. |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 6:42:35 PM EDT
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Pics or it didn't happen... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I received photo of a prototype of the gun, and for anyone thinking this is going to be anything like a vityaz, your going to be greatly disappointed... it's definitely going to be it's own thing, with some neat features, but it's not even close to a pp19. . |
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Posted: 3/27/2015 9:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou'll are killing my bank account. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 12:04:51 PM EDT
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Interesting.
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Posted: 3/28/2015 1:52:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryRIP my tax return  HUGE props on that triangle folder!
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Posted: 3/28/2015 2:07:08 PM EDT
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RIP my tax return HUGE props on that triangle folder!
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RIP my tax return HUGE props on that triangle folder!
That pic is a quick composite made in Photoshop of the first 2 pics released. Pretty good odds it will look similar, but we shouldn't assume the final product will be exactly the same. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 3:31:29 PM EDT
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Sorry, I can't do that. I agreed not to share it.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bigtiny , please post your pic we would like to see it Sorry, I can't do that. I agreed not to share it.. thats whats known as a call out. |
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Posted: 3/28/2015 8:20:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thats whats known as a call out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bigtiny , please post your pic we would like to see it Sorry, I can't do that. I agreed not to share it.. thats whats known as a call out. This is a technical forum, we don't do call out's here. Pic was requested, reason why it wouldn't be posted was given. Let it go. dryflash3 |
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Posted: 3/29/2015 9:57:18 AM EDT
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I like it. Wish I had the coin. Then again, I wish I had the coin for a great deal of what Atlantic has on their website.
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Posted: 3/29/2015 12:13:11 PM EDT
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This is a technical forum, we don't do call out's here. Pic was requested, reason why it wouldn't be posted was given. Let it go. dryflash3 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bigtiny , please post your pic we would like to see it Sorry, I can't do that. I agreed not to share it.. thats whats known as a call out. This is a technical forum, we don't do call out's here. Pic was requested, reason why it wouldn't be posted was given. Let it go. dryflash3 i did.but thanks! 
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Posted: 4/2/2015 4:17:47 AM EDT
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This seems to be a nice concept since I'm a 9mm fan and indoor range friendly too!!
It appears that these AK pistols will have the Uzi/Colt SMG type magazines... A curved HK type magazine would have been cool as hell. Another future SBR project!! |
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Posted: 4/2/2015 7:27:53 AM EDT
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Looked cool till I seen the price.
 A Polish PPS-43c in 9mm fills the niche for $400, plus it's SBR ready. Plus it has the cool curved mags.
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Posted: 4/2/2015 2:14:37 PM EDT
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Atlantic, how's the progress on the MP5 magazine version?
I have both kinds of mags, but I just like the looks of a curved magazine better. You want us to buy both, don't you? 
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Posted: 4/2/2015 8:19:13 PM EDT
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Looked cool till I seen the price. A Polish PPS-43c in 9mm fills the niche for $400, plus it's SBR ready. Plus it has the cool curved mags.where did you "Seen the price"? |
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Posted: 4/3/2015 6:51:40 AM EDT
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Looked cool till I seen the price. A Polish PPS-43c in 9mm fills the niche for $400, plus it's SBR ready. Plus it has the cool curved mags.where did you "Seen the price"? Sorry, I misspoke. I meant to say the speculation of the price; being in the $1,000 range. |
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Posted: 4/3/2015 7:27:30 AM EDT
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beanz2 , at this time there is no word on if we will see a MP5 mag model that firm is not progressing forward very well .The AKX-9 by Definitve Arms that uses the Colt style stick mag has been up & running since Oct 2014 . It went under intensive testing for 2 -3 months and is now in production.
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Posted: 4/3/2015 10:17:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: beanz2 , at this time there is no word on if we will see a MP5 mag model that firm is not progressing forward very well .The AKX-9 by Definitve Arms that uses the Colt style stick mag has been up & running since Oct 2014 . It went under intensive testing for 2 -3 months and is now in production. |
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Posted: 4/5/2015 6:02:22 AM EDT
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Bigtiny , please post your pic we would like to see it Sorry, I can't do that. I agreed not to share it.. LoL |
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Posted: 4/5/2015 4:07:17 PM EDT
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I wish it took Suomi mags.....
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Posted: 4/5/2015 6:59:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wish it took Suomi mags..... |
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Posted: 4/5/2015 7:49:48 PM EDT
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I wish it took Suomi mags..... agreed
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Posted: 4/5/2015 9:38:14 PM EDT
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Patiently awaiting :)
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Posted: 4/5/2015 10:07:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LoL Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bigtiny , please post your pic we would like to see it Sorry, I can't do that. I agreed not to share it.. LoL Bigtiny.........a new member with 4 posts all trolling in this thread..........really? are you affiliated with anyone please? I have already asked another poster to drop it. That goes for you too. This is a technical forum, so stop with the GD name calling also. dryflash3 |
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