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Posted: 3/11/2012 11:59:36 AM EDT

She needs someone to help list them for sale, and I have been asked to do it. Her husband died a few years back, and she's got 30+ guns to sell. Shotguns, rifles, handguns. Her husband gave her a list of about 30 guns and told her "these are the guns that are worth something." I know there are two O/U shotguns he claimed 5-6K each, a Ruger Mini-14, a .40 Glock, some single-action revolvers, etc. He apparently almost never shot anything.

Is it legal for me, not holding an FFL, to sell the guns for her? I would basically be posting ads, collecting checks, and mailing guns to FFLs. And what would be the best way to do that, if legal?

Thanks.

Posted: 3/11/2012 12:07:03 PM EDT

[#1]

As long as your helping her manage the estate I don't believe there is anything illegal about it.

Dibs on first glance at listings though :)

I am also not a lawyer....

ETA: There are a few FFL's on here that can help you if you want to make sure your being legal. That way everything transfers.

Posted: 3/11/2012 12:49:12 PM EDT

[#2]

Bring them to the shoot and swap meet at the end of March. I am in the market for a high end O/U.

Posted: 3/11/2012 1:03:20 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
As long as your helping her manage the estate I don't believe there is anything illegal about it.

Dibs on first glance at listings though :)
I am also not a lawyer....

ETA: There are a few FFL's on here that can help you if you want to make sure your being legal. That way everything transfers.

I call sloppy seconds....

Posted: 3/11/2012 1:10:35 PM EDT

[#4]

Dirty Thirds...

Posted: 3/11/2012 1:16:29 PM EDT

[#5]

Dibs on the .40 Glock
..

Posted: 3/11/2012 1:26:57 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Dibs on the .40 Glock
..

Back of the line buddy......

Posted: 3/11/2012 1:33:51 PM EDT

[#7]

I'll see what I can do to get you guys the list.

Posted: 3/11/2012 1:42:20 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
I'll see what I can do to get you guys the list.

That would be awesome.

Posted: 3/11/2012 2:25:14 PM EDT

[#9]

single actions peak my interest...

Posted: 3/11/2012 2:34:07 PM EDT

[#10]

Are you going to be getting a commission or payment for this?? Because that's "dealing" by definition. You cannot do it with real estate as far as the state is concerned; not sure about the ATF.

Be careful.

Posted: 3/11/2012 2:45:14 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
Are you going to be getting a commission or payment for this?? Because that's "dealing" by definition. You cannot do it with real estate as far as the state is concerned; not sure about the ATF.

Be careful.

What if she gifted me one of the guns after I sold the rest? I didn't ask for a commission, but you know how old ladies are.

Posted: 3/11/2012 2:56:37 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Are you going to be getting a commission or payment for this?? Because that's "dealing" by definition. You cannot do it with real estate as far as the state is concerned; not sure about the ATF.

Be careful.

What if she gifted me one of the guns after I sold the rest? I didn't ask for a commission, but you know how old ladies are.

That would be inconsequential, a gift is a gift as long as its not conditional on services rendered.

Posted: 3/11/2012 2:57:39 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Are you going to be getting a commission or payment for this?? Because that's "dealing" by definition. You cannot do it with real estate as far as the state is concerned; not sure about the ATF.

Be careful.

What commission???

I thought I read or heard he was just helping a friend figure out what some of her items were worth, then mentioning it to a few folks... If some if them happen to bite....

Posted: 3/11/2012 3:17:27 PM EDT

[#14]

Just a bit of advice... keep detailed records of what you do with the guns and how much you get out of them. Not so much for the government, but for when someone shows up pissed off that you screwed "Aunt Helen" out of all of "Uncle Henry'"s valuable guns.

Posted: 3/11/2012 4:17:16 PM EDT

[#15]

There are a lot of honest dealers out there that will be very fair when dealing with estates.

I can think of a couple on GB who are primarily estate dealers.

Posted: 3/11/2012 4:33:16 PM EDT

[#16]

Using a FFL does have a few benefits. One is reduced shipping costs, even when figuring in a transfer fee of ~$20 per gun. Another benefit is CYA.

Posted: 3/11/2012 4:59:58 PM EDT

[#17]

i too would be interested in this list

Posted: 3/11/2012 5:35:47 PM EDT

[#18]

Did someone say list?

I used to live next to a little old lady. I alwayse hoped that one day she would call me over and ask me if I knew anything about her late husbands guns that she wants to dispose of. I'd walk in to see a collection of transferable goodness.... HK, Uzi, Kalashnikov, Colt, FN.... hey a guy can dream.

Posted: 3/11/2012 5:52:41 PM EDT

[#19]

I like lists!!!

Please?

Posted: 3/11/2012 5:53:11 PM EDT

[#20]

I'd take as much as possible to the shoot coming up.

I'd also post a list once you get it.

Posted: 3/11/2012 6:47:49 PM EDT

[#21]

In for list....

Posted: 3/11/2012 7:59:12 PM EDT

[#22]

I would like to see a list

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Posted: 3/11/2012 8:11:42 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
In for list....

+100

Posted: 3/11/2012 9:22:33 PM EDT

[#24]

It used to be that you could even get a table and sell off a private collection at a gun show, and not be considered as conducting business, so maybe this would be the same thing.

As always, my opinion will not keep you out of trouble, and should be verified with facts.

Posted: 3/12/2012 10:12:31 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
I'll see what I can do to get you guys the list.

Same here, I would like to see the list of whats being sold

Posted: 3/12/2012 10:40:17 AM EDT

[#26]

I would also like to see the list

Posted: 3/12/2012 11:23:52 AM EDT

[#27]

In for list of goodies.

Posted: 3/12/2012 2:13:38 PM EDT

[#28]

In for the list. Any WWII German weapons?

Posted: 3/12/2012 5:08:50 PM EDT

[#29]

In for the list.
Any reloading tools or supplies?

Posted: 3/12/2012 6:37:29 PM EDT

[#30]

I don't think you'll have a problem.

Basically, if you are engaged in business, you must have a license. Here is what the BATFE says about "engaged in business."

Q: What does “engaged in the business” mean?

The term “engaged in the business,” as applicable to a firearms dealer, is defined as a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.

[27 CFR 478.11]

Since this is a one-time deal and you're not buying guns for resale, I'd say you're OK.

BTW, I'm an FFL. If you need any help in mid-Mo, let me know.

Posted: 3/13/2012 5:20:13 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
I don't think you'll have a problem.

Basically, if you are engaged in business, you must have a license. Here is what the BATFE says about "engaged in business."

Q: What does “engaged in the business” mean?

The term “engaged in the business,” as applicable to a firearms dealer, is defined as a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.

[27 CFR 478.11]

Since this is a one-time deal and you're not buying guns for resale, I'd say you're OK.

BTW, I'm an FFL. If you need any help in mid-Mo, let me know.

Where are you located? I'm in Rolla.

Posted: 3/13/2012 7:01:52 AM EDT

[#32]

Double check with the woman that she doesn't have any sons or grandsons that might want a couple of dad's or grand dad's guns.

Posted: 3/13/2012 7:06:13 AM EDT

[#33]

I'd be interested in seeing what was available. Also, I am FFL holder, and would be available to help in the St. L. area.

Brian

Posted: 3/13/2012 7:31:48 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I don't think you'll have a problem.

Basically, if you are engaged in business, you must have a license. Here is what the BATFE says about "engaged in business."

Q: What does “engaged in the business” mean?

The term “engaged in the business,” as applicable to a firearms dealer, is defined as a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to dealing in firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the repetitive purchase and resale of firearms, but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional sales, exchanges, or purchases of firearms for the enhancement of a personal collection or for a hobby, or who sells all or part of his personal collection of firearms.

[27 CFR 478.11]

Since this is a one-time deal and you're not buying guns for resale, I'd say you're OK.

BTW, I'm an FFL. If you need any help in mid-Mo, let me know.

Where are you located? I'm in Rolla.

Jefferson CIty

Posted: 3/13/2012 7:42:00 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Double check with the woman that she doesn't have any sons or grandsons that might want a couple of dad's or grand dad's guns.

No living relatives, and they had no children, iirc.

I will ask though.

Posted: 3/13/2012 1:22:27 PM EDT

[#36]

Bringing the guns to chad9mms shoot on the 31st is a go. List incoming.

Posted: 3/13/2012 3:16:12 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
Bringing the guns to chad9mms shoot on the 31st is a go. List incoming.

Posted: 3/13/2012 3:57:04 PM EDT

[#38]

Bring them out to the COPS 3-gun match this Saturday. (Right in your back yard)
Might as well shoot the match while you are there.

Posted: 3/13/2012 4:03:59 PM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:
Bring them out to the COPS 3-gun match this Saturday. (Right in your back yard)
Might as well shoot the match while you are there.

I didn't think COPS was that close to Rolla. Last I looked, I remember it being 45 minutes away.

Also, I can't afford any entry fees or ammo at the moment

And I don't have 3 guns to use...

Posted: 3/13/2012 5:00:35 PM EDT

[#40]

Any .22s? Looking for one for a buddies kid.

And I thought you moved to Union...

Posted: 3/13/2012 5:22:45 PM EDT

[#41]

In for the list!

Posted: 3/13/2012 7:27:52 PM EDT

[#42]

I for one would rather a list wasn't posted (only because I want a good look at them at Chad's before it gets posted MAUAHAHA)

Posted: 3/13/2012 7:48:09 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
Any .22s? Looking for one for a buddies kid.

And I thought you moved to Union...

Ruger single six, iirc.

Posted: 3/13/2012 7:49:52 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:
I for one would rather a list wasn't posted (only because I want a good look at them at Chad's before it gets posted MAUAHAHA)

How much for a sneak peek?

Posted: 3/14/2012 5:18:12 AM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:
Bringing the guns to chad9mms shoot on the 31st is a go. List incoming.

Cool!

Posted: 3/14/2012 10:25:16 PM EDT

[#46]

Dibs on the mini

Posted: 3/15/2012 5:19:28 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
Bring them out to the COPS 3-gun match this Saturday. (Right in your back yard)
Might as well shoot the match while you are there.

+1. No entry fee if you just want to move the guns!!!

Posted: 3/15/2012 6:22:51 AM EDT

[#48]

The descriptions on the list leave much to be desired.

There is a "21 inch 12 gauge," and a "custom rifle with 8 scope" as well as a ".22 magnum pistol," though serial numbers were helpfully provided. I'm going to go see them in person and get better descriptions.