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Posted: 6/27/2019 5:30:03 PM EDT
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No official launch sate has been set yet by IWI., and that price is not accurate certainly not for msrp, msrp is $2099 $1680 is way below dealer cost. Sven Manticore Arms Not affiliated with them. https://www.provenoutfitters.com/tavor-7- |
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Posted: 6/27/2019 10:58:44 PM EDT
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It helps if you read.
That’s for LE/Mil people... |
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Posted: 6/28/2019 10:32:44 AM EDT
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It helps if you read. That’s for LE/Mil people... Quote HistoryQuoted:
It helps if you read. That’s for LE/Mil people... There is a lot of excitement about new items from IWI!
We heard a leak that the MASADA and TAVOR 7 have an expected released in July-August! This is NOT OFFICIAL, but we did promise updates to you, our customers, as soon as we heard anything! Pre-Order the Tavor 7, KS12, or Masada and Lock Yours in today! Tavor 7 7.62 NATO 16.5 Barrel Bullpup Our Price: $1,680.00 You Save: $419.00 |
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Posted: 6/28/2019 4:36:05 PM EDT
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It helps if you read. That’s for LE/Mil people... 
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Posted: 7/8/2019 1:44:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/8/2019 1:52:29 PM EDT
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full-production quantities coming within 60-90 days |
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Posted: 7/8/2019 2:29:14 PM EDT
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Shipping mid July... |
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Posted: 7/8/2019 9:14:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was posted in June of 2018. |
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Posted: 7/9/2019 10:38:19 PM EDT
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Shipping in 2 weeks!
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Posted: 7/16/2019 8:09:54 AM EDT
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IWI just stated otherwise. Source of "two weeks" announcement?
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Posted: 7/16/2019 11:30:46 AM EDT
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IWI just stated otherwise. Source of "two weeks" announcement? |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 12:05:57 AM EDT
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Looks like another month and they couldn't do better than 1.5MOA:
https://www.alloutdoor.com/2019/07/22/iwi-tavor-7-status-update-eta-august-2019/ |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 3:29:11 AM EDT
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Looks like another month and they couldn't do better than 1.5MOA: https://www.alloutdoor.com/2019/07/22/iwi-tavor-7-status-update-eta-august-2019/ |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 9:37:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. It's fine by me where it's at. It's on par with most battle rifles on the planet, and I personally don't utilize bullpups for long distance work anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted: Meh. It's fine by me where it's at. It's on par with most battle rifles on the planet, and I personally don't utilize bullpups for long distance work anyway. For a better part of year and a half of extra testing on the rifle we have come to the conclusion that the Tavor 7 will not get the accuracy of 1.5 MOA that we set out to get. Overall the weapon system as a whole was never designed in a way to achieve this 1.5MOA. It was designed to shoot minute of man on today’s battle fields with a high degree of reliability. In the last update I posted we got it down around the 1.5MOA but we gave up too much in other areas so that simply wasn’t the answer. |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 9:39:53 AM EDT
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As long as M80 ball delivers M80 ball performance...that is all that matters to me...
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Posted: 7/25/2019 9:41:36 AM EDT
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As long as M80 ball delivers M80 ball performance...that is all that matters to me... |
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Posted: 7/25/2019 1:40:59 PM EDT
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Yeah they were saying their sample rifles were averaging 2.3 MOA. I really wanted that MOA precision, but I said awhile back I would be fine with battle-rifle level accuracy and I stand by that. It’s a .308 Tavor, not a precision gun. I have precision guns, but I do not yet have a .308 Tavor. At the end of the day, 2.3 MOA is still respectable, and better than a lot of rifles.
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Posted: 7/26/2019 2:49:01 PM EDT
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As long as M80 ball delivers M80 ball performance...that is all that matters to me... Quote HistoryQuoted:
As long as M80 ball delivers M80 ball performance...that is all that matters to me... The U.S. military's accuracy standard for M80 Ball (boxed or on stripper clips) is a mean average radius of 5 inches at 600 yards for all groups tested from a given lot of ammunition. That measurement loosely equates to a 10-inch circle or approximately 1.6 MOA at that distance. |
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Posted: 7/26/2019 6:04:26 PM EDT
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Keep waiting to see all these crowds of 1.0 MOA capable shooters to post up there 5 shot groups to show how they can shoot to the mechanical accuracy of a rifle. Bonus pints for doing it without a lead sled or benchrest. Double bonus points for doing it with the average rack grade mass production AR-15 most of them own.
Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 7/26/2019 6:15:02 PM EDT
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Keep waiting to see all these crowds of 1.0 MOA capable shooters to post up there 5 shot groups to show how they can shoot to the mechanical accuracy of a rifle. Bonus pints for doing it without a lead sled or benchrest. Double bonus points for doing it with the average rack grade mass production AR-15 most of them own.
Sven Manticore Arms I’ll buy one if it can shoot 2.3 moa. That’s what, 14.4” at 600 yards? I’ll absolutely be happy about that with a 26” overall length .308 I’d like to see other semi auto .308’s that same size shoot that well. |
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Posted: 7/26/2019 7:47:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think that people want the potential even if they’ll never get close to reaching it. I’ll buy one if it can shoot 2.3 moa. That’s what, 14.4” at 600 yards? I’ll absolutely be happy about that with a 26” overall length .308 I’d like to see other semi auto .308’s that same size shoot that well. |
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Posted: 7/26/2019 8:33:56 PM EDT
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Keep waiting to see all these crowds of 1.0 MOA capable shooters to post up there 5 shot groups to show how they can shoot to the mechanical accuracy of a rifle. Bonus pints for doing it without a lead sled or benchrest. Double bonus points for doing it with the average rack grade mass production AR-15 most of them own.
Sven Manticore Arms |
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Posted: 7/26/2019 10:03:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My favorite are the ones making those claims with mil spec fmj. Yeah ammo that’s like 2 now capable from the inherent inconsistency round to round but internet cherry pick boasting everything is moa or better. Usually no pics with these claims or a cherry picked one with “fliers” or “those other holes are from *insert excuse here*” if there are any. |
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Posted: 7/26/2019 10:06:13 PM EDT
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Keep waiting to see all these crowds of 1.0 MOA capable shooters to post up there 5 shot groups to show how they can shoot to the mechanical accuracy of a rifle. Bonus pints for doing it without a lead sled or benchrest. Double bonus points for doing it with the average rack grade mass production AR-15 most of them own.
Sven Manticore Arms $900 AR shooting .62moa with a 50gr HSM load, off a bipod and rear bag. Yeah, a lot of tacti-wannabe folks make bullshit accuracy claims all the time, that is what the challenge/callout system is for. But a lot of people (including myself) can put a rifle that is capable of 1moa or better to good use. Tavor 7 still has a role, but without high levels of accuracy that role is considerably reduced. |
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Posted: 7/26/2019 10:11:03 PM EDT
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Or lets put it another way:
If the average shooter shoots 3-5 moa out of a 1 moa gun... whats that shooter gonna do with a T7? (& I wanted one, I really did... still want a Atrax export/AR model too) |
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Posted: 7/26/2019 11:31:43 PM EDT
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Or lets put it another way: If the average shooter shoots 3-5 moa out of a 1 moa gun... whats that shooter gonna do with a T7? (& I wanted one, I really did... still want a Atrax export/AR model too) 
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Posted: 7/26/2019 11:36:39 PM EDT
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Precise rifles are always preferable to non-precise rifles, all things else equal. But all things often aren’t equal, and their post was worded such that it sounded like they were compromising on other factors just to get it down to around 1.5 MOA. I can see why they wouldn’t want to compromise on those areas, whatever they were, for that <.8 MOA in gained precision.
Precision is the sum of the inconsistencies of the system. Ammo, rifle, environment, shooter, etc. If their setup did 2.3 MOA all things considered, that’s not bad. Not amazing, but not bad. It’s a bullpup “battle rifle” not a benchrest gun. I’ve shot my Tavor from a bench when zeroing it, it’s a huge pain in the ass.
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Posted: 7/28/2019 1:25:08 AM EDT
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I talked with IWI at Triggrcon in Bellevue, WA.
They said the 7 is being readied for shipment and should arrive at dealers in mid August. No date on the TS12 shotgun. |
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Posted: 8/8/2019 12:00:53 PM EDT
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As per their FB page, Tavor 7’s are officially shipping!
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Posted: 8/8/2019 12:43:53 PM EDT
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Anybody doing preorders? Or.. good places to expect these to pop up?
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Posted: 8/9/2019 8:49:47 AM EDT
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Last I saw they said the end of August. August of this year. So, three weeks.
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Posted: 8/9/2019 9:50:18 AM EDT
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600-700 have shipped yesterday...
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Posted: 8/10/2019 8:18:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/10/2019 1:11:28 PM EDT
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Last minute grip swap?
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Posted: 8/10/2019 2:56:41 PM EDT
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Last minute grip swap? |
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Posted: 8/10/2019 5:10:32 PM EDT
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Original grip? X95?
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Posted: 8/10/2019 7:35:12 PM EDT
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Original grip? X95? |
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Posted: 8/11/2019 11:44:50 PM EDT
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I’m fuzzy on this as I have a standard Tavor, not an X95, but I believe it’s the X95 grip with IDF side panels. It should be shipping with the saber style enclosed grip.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Original grip? X95? |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 2:03:23 PM EDT
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2.3 MOA with M80 or Federal Match Gold 168gr, its a big difference...
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Posted: 8/14/2019 5:21:34 PM EDT
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2.3 MOA with M80 or Federal Match Gold 168gr, its a big difference... |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 6:32:19 PM EDT
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2.3 MOA with M80 or Federal Match Gold 168gr, its a big difference... That number was not made using the GD standard of measuring MOA precision by taking the best 3 of 5 shots of the best single group shot all day. I think our standards here are often a little mismatched with reality. A real-world no BS 2.3(ish) MOA precision average, especially from a semi-auto .308 duty-oriented bullpup, is absolutely fine by me. |
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Posted: 8/14/2019 9:28:29 PM EDT
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Im very interested in this rifle for reasons I cannot figure out
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Posted: 8/14/2019 11:40:50 PM EDT
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Is it true that only 7.62 nato is recommended and no .308? I have seen this mentioned a couple times.
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Posted: 8/15/2019 12:45:27 AM EDT
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Is it true that only 7.62 nato is recommended and no .308? I have seen this mentioned a couple times. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 12:46:51 AM EDT
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Is it true that only 7.62 nato is recommended and no .308? I have seen this mentioned a couple times. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 12:52:27 AM EDT
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IWI said 308 is fine. The cartridges are nearly identical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is it true that only 7.62 nato is recommended and no .308? I have seen this mentioned a couple times. They likely put 7.62X51 because they’re a military manufacturer and sell largely to military clients. But like most everyone else that makes modern 7.62X51 rifles, they make them to handle .308. This is like when ARs say .223. Yeah some of the older ones meant exactly that, but these days the two are used interchangeably so much in common parlance because manufacturers label them whichever is convenient, but by and large, make them to handle 5.56 pressures. |
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Posted: 8/15/2019 1:34:20 AM EDT
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I've got one shipping to me for a Labor Day hog hunt. I'll let you know my thoughts on it
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Posted: 8/15/2019 2:52:30 AM EDT
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I've got one shipping to me for a Labor Day hog hunt. I'll let you know my thoughts on it |
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Posted: 8/16/2019 2:22:34 AM EDT
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The location of the ejection port presents the single biggest tactical weakness of the bullpup configuration. If IWI could've implemented switchable ejection similar to the Beretta ARX, I would be all over this rifle. As it is, having to pull the carrier & rotate & reinsert the bolt is only slightly less cumbersome than the 5.56 Tavor series. I'm a little surprised they didn't go the extra mile on th ou s particular feature.
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Posted: 8/16/2019 3:15:28 AM EDT
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The location of the ejection port presents the single biggest tactical weakness of the bullpup configuration. If IWI could'v implemented switchable ejection similar to the Beretta ARX, I would be all over this rifle. As it is, having to pull the carrier & rotate & reinsert the bolt is only slightly less cumbersome than the 5.56 Tavor series. I'm a little surprised they didn't go the extra mile on th ou s particular feature. Adam Litke also has a video up where he had a first time tavor 7 shooter (2nd time scar 17 shooter) shoot them side by side from 100-300 yards with eagle eye .5 moa guarantee match ammo. |
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