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Posted: 5/4/2022 6:20:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: This man is 110% correct Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Originally Posted By tanodized: The unpopular but correct opinion is that pin & welds are sacrilege. They not only ruin a perfectly good barrel and four prong flash hider, but destroy the true clone potential of the upper itself. Either pay the man his $200, or be a man and disregard NFA laws because they're stupid and shouldn't be adhered to anyways. Beveled spacer is also a must. At least for M4A1 URG's, it's what's instructed in the TRS. For the rest of y'all the "inspired" thread is that way >>> This man is 110% correct  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 7:48:25 PM EDT
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Lmao
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Posted: 5/4/2022 8:15:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob: I can see that with the upper, but really it's still a complete package. You wouldn't want someone dropping the URGI upper on a WWSD2020 lower and call it a clone. There are some guidelines and minimums to what people generally will call a clone, but at the same time other people get way too wrapped up in the minutia and the elitist mindset. Page one “This thread is for pictures of and discussion about issued URG-Is and clones. That doesn't include "inspired by" rifles, "my take on an URG-I" rifles, Geissele Duty rifles, Geissele Super Duty rifles, or anything else. Please post those pictures here, here, or here. Maybe clone threads are not for you 
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Posted: 5/4/2022 8:15:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Couldn't be more correct. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/E3526087-F7AF-4063-AEEF-A76141A27528_jpe-2372301.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Originally Posted By tanodized: The unpopular but correct opinion is that pin & welds are sacrilege. They not only ruin a perfectly good barrel and four prong flash hider, but destroy the true clone potential of the upper itself. Either pay the man his $200, or be a man and disregard NFA laws because they're stupid and shouldn't be adhered to anyways. Beveled spacer is also a must. At least for M4A1 URG's, it's what's instructed in the TRS. For the rest of y'all the "inspired" thread is that way >>> This man is 110% correct https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/E3526087-F7AF-4063-AEEF-A76141A27528_jpe-2372301.JPG If this is too "regular AR" for this thread because it's pinned & welded, lacks a spacer, and has a PSA "M4A1" lower, I'll definitely refrain from posting it here again:  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 8:17:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Couldn't be more correct. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/E3526087-F7AF-4063-AEEF-A76141A27528_jpe-2372301.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Originally Posted By tanodized: The unpopular but correct opinion is that pin & welds are sacrilege. They not only ruin a perfectly good barrel and four prong flash hider, but destroy the true clone potential of the upper itself. Either pay the man his $200, or be a man and disregard NFA laws because they're stupid and shouldn't be adhered to anyways. Beveled spacer is also a must. At least for M4A1 URG's, it's what's instructed in the TRS. For the rest of y'all the "inspired" thread is that way >>> This man is 110% correct https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/E3526087-F7AF-4063-AEEF-A76141A27528_jpe-2372301.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 8:17:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Theodoric]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: If this is too "regular AR" for this thread because it's pinned & welded, lacks a spacer, and has a PSA "M4A1" lower, I'll definitely refrain from posting it here again: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_153704_jpg-2372439.JPG  (Beautiful rifle bro) |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 8:19:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: If this is too "regular AR" for this thread because it's pinned & welded, lacks a spacer, and has a PSA "M4A1" lower, I'll definitely refrain from posting it here again: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_153704_jpg-2372439.JPG   . I'm just joshing but you should really fix that civi a2 |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 8:20:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: If this is too "regular AR" for this thread because it's pinned & welded, lacks a spacer, and has a PSA "M4A1" lower, I'll definitely refrain from posting it here again: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_153704_jpg-2372439.JPG I need some tano Nightforce goodies in my life! |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 8:31:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: To be fair, it also has a commercially marked Matech, a commercial pistol grip and your scope mount has the wrong markings on it. (Beautiful rifle bro) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Theodoric: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: If this is too "regular AR" for this thread because it's pinned & welded, lacks a spacer, and has a PSA "M4A1" lower, I'll definitely refrain from posting it here again: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_153704_jpg-2372439.JPG (Beautiful rifle bro) This is also true. I'm going commercial tanodized on this fella. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2022 8:35:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: If this is too "regular AR" for this thread because it's pinned & welded, lacks a spacer, and has a PSA "M4A1" lower, I'll definitely refrain from posting it here again: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_153704_jpg-2372439.JPG Thats not a Surplus Pelican case either..
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Posted: 5/4/2022 9:01:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boduke0220: Thats not a Surplus Pelican case either.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boduke0220: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: If this is too "regular AR" for this thread because it's pinned & welded, lacks a spacer, and has a PSA "M4A1" lower, I'll definitely refrain from posting it here again: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_153704_jpg-2372439.JPG Thats not a Surplus Pelican case either..  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 9:01:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Engineer5]
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Posted: 5/4/2022 10:47:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: If this is too "regular AR" for this thread because it's pinned & welded, lacks a spacer, and has a PSA "M4A1" lower, I'll definitely refrain from posting it here again: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_153704_jpg-2372439.JPG That’s perfect. Anyone that says otherwise probably drinks kale smoothies. |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 11:00:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: You must have a 3rd pin and SSF trigger in your Colt M4A1 lower. Yes. 
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2022 11:03:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Fix that civi a2 grip and maybe then we can talk . I'm just joshing but you should really fix that civi a2 Wait how can you tell the difference?? |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 11:42:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pops1085: Wait how can you tell the difference?? The ridge is square not rounded |
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Posted: 5/5/2022 6:15:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By tanodized: Originally Posted By alpha0815: You must have a 3rd pin and SSF trigger in your Colt M4A1 lower. Yes. https://i.imgur.com/0L5rkgu.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/5/2022 10:29:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe rules are very explicit. M4A1. |
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Posted: 5/5/2022 12:36:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI like your M4 Carbine
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Posted: 5/5/2022 1:24:20 PM EDT
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 Fresh cut grass. |
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Posted: 5/5/2022 3:48:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mindfull]
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Just came in stock
https://danieldefense.com/11-5-5-56mm-carbine-1-7-government-profile.html?utm_source=mandrill&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=isn  |
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Posted: 5/5/2022 5:23:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/5/2022 5:24:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bluej20]
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In Stock at Scopelist / EuroOptic for $340
Got mine Last week. Assembled / Pinned and welded by John Thomas @ Retro Arms Works.  |
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Posted: 5/5/2022 6:44:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNever heard of them. Hope they are legit, I bought a barrel. |
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Posted: 5/5/2022 7:14:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFDFFEMT: Never heard of them. Hope they are legit, I bought a barrel. Scopelist and eurooptic are the “same” company. They’re legit. |
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Posted: 5/5/2022 8:05:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By india13c: Scopelist and eurooptic are the “same” company. They’re legit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By india13c: Originally Posted By CFDFFEMT: Never heard of them. Hope they are legit, I bought a barrel. Scopelist and eurooptic are the “same” company. They’re legit. Awesome $370 delivered seems like a good price. |
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Posted: 5/5/2022 8:58:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CFDFFEMT: Awesome $370 delivered seems like a good price. Not that I "needed" another but based on what DD told me, they are going to be pretty dry for the next 6 months. It showed 1 left and I purchased. OOS now. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 3:43:15 AM EDT
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Is the Marine Corps using the URG-I? I know whey were testing some a few years ago, but I have no idea if they're using some in any capacity or if they're sticking to their M4A1's and M27's
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Posted: 5/6/2022 6:27:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMCSGT0331: Is the Marine Corps using the URG-I? I know whey were testing some a few years ago, but I have no idea if they're using some in any capacity or if they're sticking to their M4A1's and M27's No. They’re moving to the HK platform. Raiders/force/marsoc, whatever they’re calling themselves these days just adopted an 11.5 HK platform. People will correct me if ai’m wrong but I believe the only units using the URGI are USASOC, Rangers, some AFSOC guys attached to these, and PJs (but those guys adopted a 10.3 which isn’t an actual URGI I thought). |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 7:43:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By india13c: No. They're moving to the HK platform. Raiders/force/marsoc, whatever they're calling themselves these days just adopted an 11.5 HK platform. People will correct me if ai'm wrong but I believe the only units using the URGI are USASOC, Rangers, some AFSOC guys attached to these, and PJs (but those guys adopted a 10.3 which isn't an actual URGI I thought). Weren't these photos from the testing?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 7:48:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: From my understanding only recon units are using 11.5 uppers on their 27 lowers. Marsoc has stated they had no intentions in adopting the 27 the last I heard. Weren't these photos from the testing? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/81596598-2E1A-4FC4-B9BD-36BAD359F892_jpe-2373907.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/6DFCB531-F815-4F6A-94A4-196FB195AC99_jpe-2373906.JPG Gotcha, I've been out too long to be up to date on all the renaming they've done with these units. I got out just as they were going to town renaming stuff every year or so. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 7:59:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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another one:
 Attached FileI know for a fact the corps was testing the geissele high speed selector and you can see it on the middle rifle in the picture I posted earlier. i also may be mis remembering but I believe that the DD RIS III RED came from a Marine request.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 3:58:08 PM EDT
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Mk16 rails are now shipping with a steel swivel insert, are these being delivered to military as well or are clone correct models strictly going to be the earlier mk16 rails without the steel qd insert?
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Posted: 5/6/2022 4:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChemTrailZ: Mk16 rails are now shipping with a steel swivel insert, are these being delivered to military as well or are clone correct models strictly going to be the earlier mk16 rails without the steel qd insert? It wouldn't be safe to assume so until they are seen in the wild. Likely that all of the MK16s have already been produced that are in the system for now. Could be that any made from now on will not have the sling swivel insert since it wasn't part of the original design but you never know. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 4:26:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/6/2022 4:52:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: It wouldn't be safe to assume so until they are seen in the wild. Likely that all of the MK16s have already been produced that are in the system for now. Could be that any made from now on will not have the sling swivel insert since it wasn't part of the original design but you never know. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Originally Posted By ChemTrailZ: Mk16 rails are now shipping with a steel swivel insert, are these being delivered to military as well or are clone correct models strictly going to be the earlier mk16 rails without the steel qd insert? It wouldn't be safe to assume so until they are seen in the wild. Likely that all of the MK16s have already been produced that are in the system for now. Could be that any made from now on will not have the sling swivel insert since it wasn't part of the original design but you never know. Yes I personally believe this is the case. The URGI program is a parts kit, not an upper, which was a one time deal to retrofit M4A1 uppers for USASOC only. It's likely that all of these kits for the 14.5 and probably most or all of the 11.5 have been shipped to the Gov already. The 10.5 MK16 rail for the 11.5 was decided on mid 2019ish, and this was the 2nd and last half of the project. So I would be surprised if all of them for the contract haven't been delivered by now. Now whether or not other units besides USASOC are currently procuring MK16 rails, complete Geissele uppers, or complete guns, remains to be seen. But these are not part of the URGI contract, which I believe is complete. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 4:55:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: another one: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/F28C7904-AC62-4E65-8FF4-267AE14A280D_jpe-2373912.JPG I know for a fact the corps was testing the geissele high speed selector and you can see it on the middle rifle in the picture I posted earlier. i also may be mis remembering but I believe that the DD RIS III RED came from a Marine request. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/4E1F19EB-D9E6-4B06-990B-FC6C71604C46_jpe-2373913.JPG 
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Posted: 5/6/2022 5:11:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/6/2022 7:44:13 PM EDT
[#39]
^^^ finally an m4a1 after all shizoposting thank you Sir
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Posted: 5/6/2022 9:20:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Air_Soft_Contractor]
[#40]
Geissele now has the URG-I near clone 11.5" uppers and pistols in stock.
They are shipping with Geissele BCG's instead of the older mil-spec ones they used to come with. They still have Geissele gas blocks on government profile barrels, not Geissele profile barrels. |
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Posted: 5/6/2022 11:42:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By india13c: No. They're moving to the HK platform. Raiders/force/marsoc, whatever they're calling themselves these days just adopted an 11.5 HK platform. People will correct me if ai'm wrong but I believe the only units using the URGI are USASOC, Rangers, some AFSOC guys attached to these, and PJs (but those guys adopted a 10.3 which isn't an actual URGI I thought). Originally Posted By LsuJon: From my understanding only recon units are using 11.5 uppers on their 27 lowers. Marsoc has stated they had no intentions in adopting the 27 the last I heard. Weren't these photos from the testing? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/81596598-2E1A-4FC4-B9BD-36BAD359F892_jpe-2373907.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/6DFCB531-F815-4F6A-94A4-196FB195AC99_jpe-2373906.JPG Thank you for the replies! I'm whittling my collection down to USMC stuff, so it looks like I'll be selling my URG-I upper. I bought one from Geissele back in 2018 or whenever they had the original release of them. This was back when they came with the Mk12 gasblock that is extremely close to the inside of the rail. Has the old version of the SureFire 4 prong (no NSN) and it's not pinned/welded (none of my clone builds or original uppers have p/w). I've never shot it, so it's minty, I'll post a photo later to add to the thread. I assume whoever buys it will probably swap out the gasblock, which is extremely easy to do, since it doesn't have a p/w flash hider. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 1:02:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2022 9:02:11 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOlder darker tano rail > newer lighter tano rail.  Cheers |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 9:48:52 AM EDT
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Any leads on a NSN roll marked 13.5 rail? I have an extra NIP NSN marked 4 point I could use as trade.
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Posted: 5/7/2022 10:09:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/7/2022 10:23:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wyominer: That's a Hodge upper |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 2:57:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: URGI and m27 in the back Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By Wyominer: That's a Hodge upper I have to replace this TV I'm using as a monitor for a real PC monitor. I can't see any detail in pics. My new 10.5" rail arrived and it does not have steel inserts in the QD holes. The DDC is an interesting shade. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 3:45:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI’ve been thinking about putting a MK8 on mine. How do you like it? And what would you want for the upper? I’m a Urgi whore
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Posted: 5/7/2022 4:39:16 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: My new 10.5" rail arrived and it does not have steel inserts in the QD holes. The DDC is an interesting shade. Where did you order the rail from? Want to pick up a 10.5” MK16 without inserts while they’re still available. |
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Posted: 5/7/2022 8:01:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnhd: Where did you order the rail from? Want to pick up a 10.5” MK16 without inserts while they’re still available. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By johnhd: Originally Posted By Air_Soft_Contractor: My new 10.5" rail arrived and it does not have steel inserts in the QD holes. The DDC is an interesting shade. Where did you order the rail from? Want to pick up a 10.5” MK16 without inserts while they’re still available. I ordered it from Brownells last week when they had a Geissele sale. |
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