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Posted: 5/2/2022 2:27:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5: Link? The few places I checked last week were all OSS. Y'all knock yourselves out. IG is more than GTG. KAC 99051 Taupe |
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Posted: 5/2/2022 2:56:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks! |
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Posted: 5/2/2022 3:27:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Engineer5]
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@alpha0815
Interstate Guns is OOS as well. Website said 154 in stock. Placed order for one. Got a call from IG saying website is wrong as they don't have any in stock. |
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Posted: 5/2/2022 4:26:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PATBAROK]
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Thoroughbred Armament has used black ones in stock-if anyone wants to get creative with a can of Krylon
https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/347/ |
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Posted: 5/2/2022 4:36:11 PM EDT
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I got my tan kac from thoroughbred today, it's probly the worst of the bunch
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Posted: 5/2/2022 5:18:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5: @alpha0815 Interstate Guns is OOS as well. Website said 154 in stock. Placed order for one. Got a call from IG saying website is wrong as they don't have any in stock. Woah, that is wild. I ordered one from them this morning and it says "ready to ship". Sorry that happened, odd glitch I guess. I'll keep an eye out elsewhere. |
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Posted: 5/2/2022 6:24:41 PM EDT
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Going to need another MK16 rail in 13.5" to finish up a build. I guess G is the only option as of recently?
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Posted: 5/2/2022 7:05:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: Woah, that is wild. I ordered one from them this morning and it says "ready to ship". Sorry that happened, odd glitch I guess. I'll keep an eye out elsewhere. No worries. I thought it was nice of them to actually call me and tell me they were out of stock and apologized. I'll keep them in mind for future purchases. |
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Posted: 5/2/2022 7:05:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Engineer5]
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Double Tap
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Posted: 5/2/2022 8:19:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: Going to need another MK16 rail in 13.5" to finish up a build. I guess G is the only option as of recently? Yes, unless there's another rail that was used on the URGI that we don't know of. If you mean retailers that have them available for purchase at the moment, I'm not exactly sure. |
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Posted: 5/2/2022 11:12:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane: Yes, unless there's another rail that was used on the URGI that we don't know of. If you mean retailers that have them available for purchase at the moment, I'm not exactly sure. Obviously, I’m looking for a MK16…not an alternative. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 3:21:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: Obviously, I’m looking for a MK16…not an alternative. I've got a blemula I keep being too lazy to put up for sale if you dont mind the blemula tag. No actual blems that I can identify, just the logo on the underside. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 3:53:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Engineer5: No worries. I thought it was nice of them to actually call me and tell me they were out of stock and apologized. I'll keep them in mind for future purchases. I found a website called Bauer Precision that had the KAC 99051 Taupe in stock, just placed an order and got a confirmation. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 6:24:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BuckshotBobCA: I found a website called Bauer Precision that had the KAC 99051 Taupe in stock, just placed an order and got a confirmation. Thanks. Placed an order for one. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 10:46:48 AM EDT
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Bauer is good folks.
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Posted: 5/3/2022 11:07:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By apocalypserisin: I've got a blemula I keep being too lazy to put up for sale if you dont mind the blemula tag. No actual blems that I can identify, just the logo on the underside. Yeah, unfortunately I've got a blem too...but not by choice. Sent my URG-I upper off to get pin / welded and someone's rotary tool got away from them. It's ugly and I'm looking for a new replacement. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 2:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: Yeah, unfortunately I've got a blem too...but not by choice. Sent my URG-I upper off to get pin / welded and someone's rotary tool got away from them. It's ugly and I'm looking for a new replacement. Spray paint will cover that up. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 2:50:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane: Spray paint will cover that up. Not really the look I’m going for. Plus the shop that did this needs to make it right.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 2:51:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: Not really the look I’m going for. Plus the shop that did this needs to make it right. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/311137/D75938D9-B987-4F87-8C93-78607FF3586B_jpe-2371010.JPG Yikes. How does that happen during a p&w? Who did the work? |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 3:13:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: Yikes. How does that happen during a p&w? Who did the work? My best guess is since I know they do work with rotary tools, someone set it down near it before it finished rotating....hit the rail. I'm going to give them a little more time to see how they handle before I call them out. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 3:40:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2022 3:42:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Pin and Weld just came back from D. Wilson - getting close now... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_153729_jpg-2371054.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_153704_jpg-2371053.JPG Mind if we see a pic of the P/W work? |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 3:50:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: Mind if we see a pic of the P/W work? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alpha0815: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Pin and Weld just came back from D. Wilson - getting close now... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_153729_jpg-2371054.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_153704_jpg-2371053.JPG Mind if we see a pic of the P/W work? Here you go:  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 4:17:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: Here you go: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_154933_jpg-2371066.JPG Did he use the chamfered .050" spacer? |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 4:49:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Did he use the chamfered .050" spacer? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Here you go: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/269084/20220503_154933_jpg-2371066.JPG Did he use the chamfered .050" spacer? It's interesting because when I look at it, it doesn't appear so. Odd, considering I gave him the whole package that included the 4-prong and all the shims and spacer that comes with it. Think I just assumed he'd use/install what you normally would (he's obviously done these before). I checked the alignment with my Geissele alignment rod and it looks perfect, for what that's worth. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 5:11:46 PM EDT
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Same with mine…although a different shop. No chamfered washer.
Although your P/W looks a hell of a lot better.  Attached FileI swear, I’m done with sending stuff off for service. I’ve learned to do everything else myself…except I don’t weld. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 5:20:29 PM EDT
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Welding isn't that hard to learn. Especially just tacking. I'd never send an ar out for work.
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Posted: 5/3/2022 5:28:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: It's interesting because when I look at it, it doesn't appear so. Odd, considering I gave him the whole package that included the 4-prong and all the shims and spacer that comes with it. Think I just assumed he'd use/install what you normally would (he's obviously done these before). I checked the alignment with my Geissele alignment rod and it looks perfect, for what that's worth. Originally Posted By alpha0815: Same with mine…although a different shop. No chamfered washer. Although your P/W looks a hell of a lot better. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/311137/A8318949-2331-4C0B-8CE5-5DA41347465E_jpe-2371144.JPG I swear, I’m done with sending stuff off for service. I’ve learned to do everything else myself…except I don’t weld. I saw his example pictures on the website and they don't have crush washers at all. I emailed and asked that if I sent a Surefire muzzle device in if he would would install it with the factory shims. He said: "We generally do install shims when doing a pin and weld per OEM guidance." I'm hesitant to send in a $375 barrel and $150 muzzle device that I can only buy once a year if I'm not sure it will be installed correctly. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 5:36:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: I saw his example pictures on the website and they don't have crush washers at all. I emailed and asked that if I sent a Surefire muzzle device in if he would would install it with the factory shims. He said: "We generally do install shims when doing a pin and weld per OEM guidance." I'm hesitant to send in a $375 barrel and $150 muzzle device that I can only buy once a year if I'm not sure it will be installed correctly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: It's interesting because when I look at it, it doesn't appear so. Odd, considering I gave him the whole package that included the 4-prong and all the shims and spacer that comes with it. Think I just assumed he'd use/install what you normally would (he's obviously done these before). I checked the alignment with my Geissele alignment rod and it looks perfect, for what that's worth. Originally Posted By alpha0815: Same with minealthough a different shop. No chamfered washer. Although your P/W looks a hell of a lot better. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/311137/A8318949-2331-4C0B-8CE5-5DA41347465E_jpe-2371144.JPG I swear, I'm done with sending stuff off for service. I've learned to do everything else myselfexcept I don't weld. I saw his example pictures on the website and they don't have crush washers at all. I emailed and asked that if I sent a Surefire muzzle device in if he would would install it with the factory shims. He said: "We generally do install shims when doing a pin and weld per OEM guidance." I'm hesitant to send in a $375 barrel and $150 muzzle device that I can only buy once a year if I'm not sure it will be installed correctly. If it's pinned and welded, does it even matter if the chamfered spacer is used or not? Assuming alignment is spot on (I checked myself and it's perfect), does it matter? Like, if the 4-prong is welded on there and it's properly aligned, what would be the concern? |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 5:50:50 PM EDT
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I should also add that Dave said because my barrel had the proper thread relief, that the chamfered spacer wasn't necessary - it wasn't required to get the muzzle to sit flush against the barrel.
If a barrel does not have the proper thread relief, the chamfered spacer is used. And he also said in addition to that, he checks the alignment as well before it leaves. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 5:51:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Subpar]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: If it's pinned and welded, does it even matter if the chamfered spacer is used or not? Assuming alignment is spot on (I checked myself and it's perfect), does it matter? Like, if the 4-prong is welded on there and it's properly aligned, what would be the concern? The chamfered spacer is only needed for barrels that don’t have a relief cut in the threads at the shoulder. I use it cause it looks better and “more correct”. Eta: I see you covered that. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 5:53:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnnyUtah427]
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It looks better without the shiny spacer anyways, but maybe some want it for "clone" purposes? Its just more added length that isn't necessary and it won't affect function (as long as you have a quality barrel), and no..it is NOT a "crush washer." I have never used that spacer on any of my barrels that take SF mounts.
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Posted: 5/3/2022 5:54:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I should also add that Dave said because my barrel had the proper thread relief, that the chamfered spacer wasn't necessary - it wasn't required to get the muzzle to sit flush against the barrel. If a barrel does not have the proper thread relief, the chamfered spacer is used. And he also said in addition to that, he checks the alignment as well before it leaves. Originally Posted By Subpar: The chamfered spacer is only needed for barrels that don’t have a relief cut in the threads at the shoulder. I use it cause it looks better and “more correct”. We're in a clone thread. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 6:42:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: We're in a clone thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I should also add that Dave said because my barrel had the proper thread relief, that the chamfered spacer wasn't necessary - it wasn't required to get the muzzle to sit flush against the barrel. If a barrel does not have the proper thread relief, the chamfered spacer is used. And he also said in addition to that, he checks the alignment as well before it leaves. Originally Posted By Subpar: The chamfered spacer is only needed for barrels that don't have a relief cut in the threads at the shoulder. I use it cause it looks better and "more correct". We're in a clone thread. I actually didn't even think about that. Good point. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 6:49:35 PM EDT
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Also, for function on a CQBR with a short 10.3" barrel (like an FN heavy barrel), the suppressor won't mount unless the .050" shim is there.
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Posted: 5/3/2022 6:50:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: pezboytate]
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Posted: 5/3/2022 7:07:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Also, for function on a CQBR with a short 10.3" barrel (like an FN heavy barrel), the suppressor won't mount unless the .050" shim is there. Yeah my 10.3" CQBR definitely has the .050" chamfered spacer. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 7:08:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: We're in a clone thread. Yes 
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Posted: 5/3/2022 7:09:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Also, for function on a CQBR with a short 10.3" barrel (like an FN heavy barrel), the suppressor won't mount unless the .050" shim is there. That's why Geissele made the rail 9.3 inches long. 
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Posted: 5/3/2022 7:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane: That's why Geissele made the rail 9.3 inches long. I prefer my 6.2" all the way in.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 7:36:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: I prefer my 6.2" all the way in. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138579/20220403_135106_2_jpg-2371265.JPG I thought this was the URGI thread. 
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Posted: 5/3/2022 7:47:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane: I thought this was the URGI thread. You have to admit that the URG-I would be sexier if it was flush. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 7:58:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: You have to admit that the URG-I would be sexier if it was flush. I think that every time I look at mine. |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 11:00:05 PM EDT
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The unpopular but correct opinion is that pin & welds are sacrilege. They not only ruin a perfectly good barrel and four prong flash hider, but destroy the true clone potential of the upper itself. Either pay the man his $200, or be a man and disregard NFA laws because they're stupid and shouldn't be adhered to anyways.
Beveled spacer is also a must. At least for M4A1 URG's, it's what's instructed in the TRS. For the rest of y'all the "inspired" thread is that way >>> |
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Posted: 5/3/2022 11:09:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/3/2022 11:45:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: alpha0815]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tanodized: The unpopular but correct opinion is that pin & welds are sacrilege. They not only ruin a perfectly good barrel and four prong flash hider, but destroy the true clone potential of the upper itself. Either pay the man his $200, or be a man and disregard NFA laws because they're stupid and shouldn't be adhered to anyways. Beveled spacer is also a must. At least for M4A1 URG's, it's what's instructed in the TRS. For the rest of y'all the "inspired" thread is that way >>> You must have a 3rd pin and SSF trigger in your Colt M4A1 lower. |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 5:26:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tanodized: The unpopular but correct opinion is that pin & welds are sacrilege. They not only ruin a perfectly good barrel and four prong flash hider, but destroy the true clone potential of the upper itself. Either pay the man his $200, or be a man and disregard NFA laws because they're stupid and shouldn't be adhered to anyways. Beveled spacer is also a must. At least for M4A1 URG's, it's what's instructed in the TRS. For the rest of y'all the "inspired" thread is that way >>> This man is 110% correct |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 11:52:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ThRob]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: This man is 110% correct Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -KentuckyWindage-: Originally Posted By tanodized: The unpopular but correct opinion is that pin & welds are sacrilege. They not only ruin a perfectly good barrel and four prong flash hider, but destroy the true clone potential of the upper itself. Either pay the man his $200, or be a man and disregard NFA laws because they're stupid and shouldn't be adhered to anyways. Beveled spacer is also a must. At least for M4A1 URG's, it's what's instructed in the TRS. For the rest of y'all the "inspired" thread is that way >>> This man is 110% correct Another unpopular but correct opinion is unless you have a legit select-fire M4 lower of some sort, every "clone" build is an "inspired" build. It is what it is. Be happy with what you got, and don't poo-poo on what makes other people happy. |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 12:49:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob: Another unpopular but correct opinion is unless you have a legit select-fire M4 lower of some sort, every "clone" build is an "inspired" build. It is what it is. Be happy with what you got, and don't poo-poo on what makes other people happy. I'm not agreeing with what he said but you can own an identical, indistinguishable clone of just the URG-I. It's an upper receiver group, not a complete rifle and all of the parts have been available commercially. If this is what someone is wanting to own, a flash suppressor that isn't installed correctly isn't correct. Nor is a pinned and welded flash suppressor but I can understand it for those that need to do so. As far as the own what you want part. I feel like that horse has been beaten but own what you want just don't say it's a clone if it's not. For instance, I have DDC receiver URG-Is with different accessories but I don't call them clones. They are "what ifs" or "inspired by" builds. |
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Posted: 5/4/2022 1:02:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: I'm not agreeing with what he said but you can own an identical, indistinguishable clone of just the URG-I. It's an upper receiver group, not a complete rifle and all of the parts have been available commercially. If this is what someone is wanting to own, a flash suppressor that isn't installed correctly isn't correct. Nor is a pinned and welded flash suppressor but I can understand it for those that need to do so. As far as the own what you want part. I feel like that horse has been beaten but own what you want just don't say it's a clone if it's not. For instance, I have DDC receiver URG-Is with different accessories but I don't call them clones. They are "what ifs" or "inspired by" builds. I can see that with the upper, but really it's still a complete package. You wouldn't want someone dropping the URGI upper on a WWSD2020 lower and call it a clone. There are some guidelines and minimums to what people generally will call a clone, but at the same time other people get way too wrapped up in the minutia and the elitist mindset. |
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