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Posted: 3/26/2021 4:54:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
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Anyone seen a ‘chopped’ LMT A2 rear sight on a block I or MWS in the wild/sandbox?
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Posted: 3/26/2021 5:49:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vehemence: Anyone seen a ‘chopped’ LMT A2 rear sight on a block I or MWS in the wild/sandbox? I'm sure. I've seen pics of Kyle Defoor running that setup on his Mk18 in Afghanistan. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 7:02:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: Yessir. MWS. I believe it was/is the dbal a2, it’s been a bit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By Guntoter: Was or is the Steiner DBAL used on any of the Block 1 or 2 or MWS rifles in the US military? I am sure it wasn't part of the SOPMOD package but has that brand been used in the real world military? Yessir. MWS. I believe it was/is the dbal a2, it’s been a bit. Awesome, thanks. |
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Posted: 3/26/2021 11:28:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vehemence: Anyone seen a ‘chopped’ LMT A2 rear sight on a block I or MWS in the wild/sandbox? When I first came into Astan in 14', there was a Mk18 Mod 0 on the program with a LMT A2 sight. Only time I've seen that rear sight. CD |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 10:21:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vehemence: Anyone seen a 'chopped' LMT A2 rear sight on a block I or MWS in the wild/sandbox? This article mentions rough timelines for chopped carry handle sights, although it doesn't specifically name LMT: https://soldiersystems.net/2015/04/14/bcmgunfighter-history-pt-3-kyle-defoor/ |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 10:54:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie: This article mentions rough timelines for chopped carry handle sights, although it doesn't specifically name LMT: https://soldiersystems.net/2015/04/14/bcmgunfighter-history-pt-3-kyle-defoor/ Awesome. Thanks for the link. |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 1:40:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie: This article mentions rough timelines for chopped carry handle sights, although it doesn't specifically name LMT: https://soldiersystems.net/2015/04/14/bcmgunfighter-history-pt-3-kyle-defoor/ Great read, thanks. That’s actually what I had been wondering, if the chopped down A2 sight was ever used on 14.5s. Of course, I see them on Mk18 Mod 0s and CQBRs frequently, just wasn’t sure if it had ever been on the full length M4. According to that article, yup, that’s where it started. But alas, it was the real deal (actually chopped, not manufactured). Thinking about keeping an LMT ‘chopped’ A2 behind my CompM4s on my 14.5 MWS. The CompM4s is a big fat-ass RDS, and the LMT looks proportional and right at home behind it. Works well too, and what I really like is, like the article said, it’s bombproof. It would replace the clone-correct Matech I had on it previously. Sacrilege? ETA: I like using my irons sometimes, for the fun & challenge of it. I know Matech is the clone correct option, but I have at least three of those on different setups, and dare I say… Matech, Schmatech... meh, I just don’t like them all that much. |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 5:56:23 PM EDT
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I’m running the LMT A2 behind a PRO with the raised Wilson mount on my Mod 0 type 14.5 clone and you are right they work great together.
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Posted: 3/27/2021 6:33:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Make_Mine_Moxie]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vehemence: Great read, thanks. That's actually what I had been wondering, if the chopped down A2 sight was ever used on 14.5s. Of course, I see them on MK18 Mod 0s and CQBRs frequently, just wasn't sure if it had ever been on the full length M4. According to that article, yup, that's where it started. But alas, it was the real deal (actually chopped), not manufactured. Thinking about keeping an LMT 'chopped' A2 behind my CompM4s on my 14.5 MWS. The CompM4s is a big fat-ass RDS, and the LMT looks proportional and right at home behind it. Works well too, and what I really like is, like the article said, it's bombproof. It would replace the clone-correct Matech I had on it previously. Sacrilege? |
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Posted: 3/27/2021 7:25:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Vehemence]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Make_Mine_Moxie: Edit: disregard, this isn't a clone thread. Not sacrilege at all! I thought this was a clone thread (casual, anyway), that’s why I was asking here if it had been seen on a 14.5 in the wild, but thanks for clearing that up. I am liking the new setup so far. |
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Posted: 3/28/2021 4:09:29 PM EDT
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I figure using the LMT sight has to be at least as correct as the folks using a PRO in place of a Comp M2.
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Posted: 3/28/2021 5:01:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom: I figure using the LMT sight has to be at least as correct as the folks using a PRO in place of a Comp M2. There aren't too many CompM2's around out there worth a damn anymore due to use and abuse and the PRO, when the mount and caps are changed, is identical to the M2. In addition, the PRO is a better sight with a better dot, longer battery life and greater water resistance depth. I cannot comment on the LMT sight as I don't know when or if that was used on Block rifles |
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Posted: 3/28/2021 5:19:59 PM EDT
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 Attached Filecut down carry handle |
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Posted: 3/28/2021 5:33:44 PM EDT
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This is definitely a clone thread. And LMTs we're definitely used mostly on navy guns. Very rarely were they seen outside of the navy and on block IIs. One cqbr picture comes to mind though.
this is technically a mk18 mod 0 but the navy rebarreled them w/ a 14.5 inch barrel. If you dig some more you can find them w/ the comp 2s  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/28/2021 6:04:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2021 6:09:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom: I figure using the LMT sight has to be at least as correct as the folks using a PRO in place of a Comp M2. 
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Posted: 3/28/2021 6:36:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alaskanforfreedom: I figure using the LMT sight has to be at least as correct as the folks using a PRO in place of a Comp M2. |
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Posted: 3/29/2021 12:23:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2021 7:40:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bimmertech87]
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Ok guys looking for some direction. I’ve built a few footprint clones and a hodge podge that I considered a block 2, but have been picking up some salty parts here and there for a while that I have found for a good deal. I want to build two solid clones but need direction on where to head with what I have. I’ve read and read but it all gets to be mush after a while trying to figure out what parts are correct for different time periods.
I want to build a mk18 mod 0 and a 14.5 m4 w/ acog (block 1.5?) I plan to share a nt4 suppressor between the two and will probably share a lower but mostly concentrating on the uppers for now. I picked up the following 3 uppers Colt raised C A/F no T marks Colt raised C A/H with T marks Colt stamped C keyhole with T marks I have a colt 14.5 with fsp socom 10/08 production barrel and a kac vero ras/broom handle set. So my question is what parts should I put together so far, and what should the M4 clone be? |
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Posted: 3/31/2021 11:09:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/31/2021 11:20:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/7BA0CD57-63B5-44EC-8F7F-596261AED4B8_jpe-1888190.JPG STRONG PORNOGRAPHY. |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 12:17:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bimmertech87: Ok guys looking for some direction. I’ve built a few footprint clones and a hodge podge that I considered a block 2, but have been picking up some salty parts here and there for a while that I have found for a good deal. I want to build two solid clones but need direction on where to head with what I have. I’ve read and read but it all gets to be mush after a while trying to figure out what parts are correct for different time periods. I want to build a mk18 mod 0 and a 14.5 m4 w/ acog (block 1.5?) I plan to share a nt4 suppressor between the two and will probably share a lower but mostly concentrating on the uppers for now. I picked up the following 3 uppers Colt raised C A/F no T marks Colt raised C A/H with T marks Colt stamped C keyhole with T marks I have a colt 14.5 with fsp socom 10/08 production barrel and a kac vero ras/broom handle set. So my question is what parts should I put together so far, and what should the M4 clone be? Your 14.5" M4 with either a KAC RIS or RAS would be a block 1 build. Block 1's had ACOG TA01NSN and NT4 suppressors. A Block 1.5 would have either a EoTech or Elcan for sighting equipment. Parts get worn out and replaced with new production parts. Still same gun. CD |
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Posted: 4/1/2021 8:37:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/316069/7BA0CD57-63B5-44EC-8F7F-596261AED4B8_jpe-1888190.JPG |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 5:48:01 AM EDT
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Would the CQD rear and front sling mounts be out of place on a Block I?
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Posted: 4/2/2021 6:06:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charlie_Foxtrot: Would the CQD rear and front sling mounts be out of place on a Block I? Early Block 1 yes(95-08'), later no. CD |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 7:26:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Early Block 1 yes(95-08'), later no. CD Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By Charlie_Foxtrot: Would the CQD rear and front sling mounts be out of place on a Block I? Early Block 1 yes(95-08'), later no. CD Cool, I’m going for that 08’ Block 1 vibe. Final question, for an 08’, is the matech rear paired with a TA01NSN, M4 waffle stock and Surefire M951 work or should I switch out to the M150 ACOG and a newer SF light? I’m not looking to clone an out of the box rifle, I want something kinda transitional. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 8:57:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Charlie_Foxtrot: Cool, I'm going for that 08' Block 1 vibe. Final question, for an 08', is the matech rear paired with a TA01NSN, M4 waffle stock and Surefire M951 work or should I switch out to the M150 ACOG and a newer SF light? I'm not looking to clone an out of the box rifle, I want something kinda transitional. |
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Posted: 4/2/2021 11:37:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Guntoter]
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At what point did the PEQ-15 start getting used on the M4 and is it part of the Block 1, or later? Would it be appropriate on Block 1? MWS?
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Posted: 4/2/2021 5:40:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vehemence: Anyone seen a 'chopped' LMT A2 rear sight on a block I or MWS in the wild/sandbox?  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/3/2021 1:07:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Guntoter: At what point did the PEQ-15 start getting used on the M4 and is it part of the Block 1, or later? Would it be appropriate on Block 1? MWS? MWS. Block 1 used PEQ-2. Block 1.5 and 2 uses the LA-5 which looks exactly like a PEQ-15, but with raised turrets and much higher output. |
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Posted: 4/3/2021 4:11:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: MWS. Block 1 used PEQ-2. Block 1.5 and 2 uses the LA-5 which looks exactly like a PEQ-15, but with raised turrets and much higher output. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556: Originally Posted By Guntoter: At what point did the PEQ-15 start getting used on the M4 and is it part of the Block 1, or later? Would it be appropriate on Block 1? MWS? MWS. Block 1 used PEQ-2. Block 1.5 and 2 uses the LA-5 which looks exactly like a PEQ-15, but with raised turrets and much higher output. Sweet, thanks for the info. |
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Posted: 4/5/2021 11:59:57 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2021 9:08:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/6/2021 10:48:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wayfaerer320: https://scontent-iad3-2.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/s750x750/168819347_276997530571343_6127245432192155179_n.jpg?tp=1&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=111&_nc_ohc=1bzXglR-8HIAX9vWdex&edm=AP_V10EAAAAA&ccb=7-4&oh=cb24dc3b393610a7bf8a247f2e5cb3ca&oe=609210A3&_nc_sid=4f375e I love that picture. I have had it saved for years wanting to build the Colt Canada C8A3 or SFW. It is not an M4 SOPMOD though with a 15.7 inch barrel and a removable Simon Sleeve to attach the Canadian grenade launcher. I never built it. |
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Posted: 4/6/2021 11:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By imdBman: I love that picture. I have had it saved for years wanting to build the Colt Canada C8A3 or SFW. It is not an M4 SOPMOD though with a 15.7 inch barrel and a removable Simon Sleeve to attach the Canadian grenade launcher. I never built it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By imdBman: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: https://scontent-iad3-2.cdninstagram.com/v/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/s750x750/168819347_276997530571343_6127245432192155179_n.jpg?tp=1&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-2.cdninstagram.com&_nc_cat=111&_nc_ohc=1bzXglR-8HIAX9vWdex&edm=AP_V10EAAAAA&ccb=7-4&oh=cb24dc3b393610a7bf8a247f2e5cb3ca&oe=609210A3&_nc_sid=4f375e I love that picture. I have had it saved for years wanting to build the Colt Canada C8A3 or SFW. It is not an M4 SOPMOD though with a 15.7 inch barrel and a removable Simon Sleeve to attach the Canadian grenade launcher. I never built it. Didn't even notice that - good catch. Saw the A frame fsb, acog, quad rails, and CAR stock and just assumed they were early Block Is. |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 7:27:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/7/2021 8:56:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By js1977: This is my next project, clone the rifle I ran in Afghanistan. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/438461/79482E95-C161-4855-B50F-2D6CE02E2ADF_jpe-1895998.JPG Do you already have the ITPIAL? |
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Posted: 4/7/2021 9:03:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTFShane: Do you already have the ITPIAL? |
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Posted: 4/8/2021 7:37:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By js1977: This is my next project, clone the rifle I ran in Afghanistan. Looking forward to seeing that. |
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Posted: 4/8/2021 4:39:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: rhs77430]
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Posted: 4/8/2021 7:06:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Your getting into block II/ PR territory w/ that date. What are the time spans for each designation? |
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Posted: 4/8/2021 9:40:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LsuJon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bimmertech87: What are the time spans for each designation? Others like CD can definitely go into detail more about it but that's a pretty decent summary |
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Posted: 4/8/2021 10:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bimmertech87: What are the time spans for each designation? Block II accessories started going out in 2007 or so. If a person still had/has a plain old M4A1 without a RIS II URG or a RIS II FSP installed, they would put those accessories if and when they were issued them. That's what people call a Block 1.5. It's basically a Block I rail with Block II everything else. There are still a few Block 1.5s out there but they are probably all issued to support personnel. |
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Posted: 4/8/2021 10:34:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bimmertech87]
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Thanks fellas trying to understand the time line of roll outs. So block 1.5’s and 2’s were issued around the same time then, I always figured it was a progression one step to the next. And block 1’s rolled out about 97-98 correct?
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Posted: 4/8/2021 10:46:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bimmertech87: Thanks fellas trying to understand the time line of roll outs. So block 1.5’s and 2’s were issued around the same time then, I always figured it was a progression one step to the next. And block 1’s rolled out about 97-98 correct? Started getting Block 1 items mid 95', few months after we got the M4A1s. Took a TA01NSN ACOG to Haiti in Oct 95'.  Attached FileCD |
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Posted: 4/11/2021 5:17:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RichieRich562]
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Hi all. Ive been lurking this thread for a while and finally decided to create an account. Does this warrant participation? Feel free to tear it down lol. It started with a spare parts PSA build for my wife, then i stumbled across this thread....Barrel is 14.5 with a2x as well.
 
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Posted: 4/14/2021 12:34:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2021 8:54:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Guntoter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RichieRich562: Hi all. Ive been lurking this thread for a while and finally decided to create an account. Does this warrant participation? Feel free to tear it down lol. It started with a spare parts PSA build for my wife, then i stumbled across this thread....Barrel is 14.5 with a2x as well. https://i.imgur.com/kRY8Odn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ABRmpTM.jpg Pretty sweet. Although we were informed a few pages back that many of our rifles were more "MWS" than "Block 1" but yours is quite similar to mine. Only thing that is obvious would be the mount for the PRO, if you were able to get an Aimpoint QRP mount (the original mount for the CompM2 which looks just like the PRO) or a Wilcox mount then it would look more proper. The buttstock would be more appropriate if it was the Colt sliding stock, either the first design or the later waffle stock design, or the SOPMOD B5 Gen1 which looks similar to your stock. I recently had an extra QRP mount but I sold it on the EE. Good looking rifle. |
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Posted: 4/16/2021 9:14:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYES! Love it, just set up my M4A1 like this (but with ADM 1.93 mount and PA 1-6). Every since someone posted that pic of a Marine awhile back with this set-up I've been wanting to do something similar |
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Posted: 4/19/2021 8:33:00 AM EDT
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