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Posted: 3/16/2014 2:38:14 AM EDT
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When discussing the Mk 18 / CQBR program, we can divide the history and discussion in to two distinct categories: 1) The weapon system itself / upper receiver supplied and 2) the group of accessories deployed on said weapon systems (SOPMOD).
---------- Mk 18 Mod 0 / CQBR The M4 carbine and M16 are not ideally suited for all missions, so it was proposed that the modularity of the M16 series would allow a user to replace the upper receiver of an existing weapon with one more suitable to the task. One of two proposed special mission receivers that were planned for inclusion into the SOPMOD Block II kit, the CQBR has taken off on its own. Like the proposed Special Purpose Receiver, the Close Quarters Battle Receiver has been more or less taken on by the Naval Surface Warfare Center, Crane Division (often referred to as NSWC-Crane or just "Crane") as its own project following the CQBR's removal from the SOPMOD program. Just as the Special Purpose Receiver morphed into the Special Purpose Rifle, and was type-classified as Mk 12 Mod 0/1, the complete CQBR-equipped carbine has been type-classified as the Mk 18 Mod 0. The purpose of the CQBR remains to provide operators with a weapon of submachine gun size, but firing a rifle cartridge, for scenarios such as VIP protection, urban warfare, and other close quarters battle (CQB) situations. The CQBR is designed to provide improvement over previous AR-15/M16-type weapons in this category. The CQBR is usually issued as a complete weapon system, and not just an upper receiver. The CQBR was once only available to Naval Special Warfare units, but the Mk 18 Mod 0 has become general issue for Visit, Board, Search, and Seizure (VBSS) missions and, as of 2006, for NCIS agents deploying to active combat zones.[citation needed] The Mk 18 is also used by the Coast Guard's Tactical Law Enforcement Teams, Maritime Safety and Security Teams, and Maritime Security Response Team and the United States Navy's Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) Operators. Wikipedia has a good article with sources on the original CQBR/Mk 18 Mod 0 and its development. ---------- SOPMOD The SOPMOD Program Management Office at NSWC Crane, IN, provides standardized, versatile weapons accessories to meet needs across SOF mission scenarios. These accessories increase operator survivability and lethality by enhanced weapon performance, target acquisition, signature suppression, and fire control. The CQBR itself was originally part of the SOPMOD program as an accessory replacement upper receiver for the M4. However it was eventually separated out into its own project. SOPMOD accessories for the M4/CQBR originally included things like the KAC RIS/RAS, SOPMOD stock, KAC M4QD suppressor, AN/PEQ-2 illuminator/laser, ECOS-N red dot, ACOG, etc The SOPMOD program has gone through multiple minor and major evolutions throughout its lifetime. The most significant is commonly defined as "Block II" and included the introduction/replacement of accessories that met the updated needs of operators. The most visually significant "Block II" accessory is probably the replacement of the KAC rail/FSB with the Daniel Defense RIS II free float rail with low-profile gas block. Other updates include things like the Surefire SOCOM sound suppressor, EOTech RDS (553/SU-231 & EXPS 3-0/SU-231a), LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, etc ---------- Link to docs and photo albums Presentation on CQBR from Crane Operator's Manual for Mk 18 Mod 0 SOPMOD Program Overview presentation from Crane Photo Album of Mk 18 Mod 0 Photo Album of CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories ---------- Because of the long history of both the CQBR/Mk 18 and SOPMOD programs, it's common to find weapons with various mixed configurations in the field, all depending on what time and unit the weapon system belongs to. Below are a few examples with descriptions to illustrate this. Example of a Mk 18 Mod 0 in as-issued configuration including: M16A1 surplus lower receiver, SOPMOD buttstock, KAC RIS, KAC M4QD flash hider, Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox mount, LMT rear fixed sight, CQD rear sling plate. NSW Operator CQBRs with original SOPMOD accessories including KAC M4QD sound suppressor and AN/PEQ-2 IR Illuminator/Laser. Member of a Combat Camera team with a CQBR with KAC RAS and M4QD flash hider but with other updated accessories from the "Block II" SOPMOD kit including SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0), EOTech G33 Magnifier, LA-5/PEQ ATPIAL, Insight WMX-200. Good example of "early" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including SU-231 (EOTech 553) and SU-233 (Insight M3x weaponlight). Example of a more "modern" CQBR with SOPMOD Block II accessories including the updated SU-231a (EOTech EXPS 3-0) and Insight WMX-200 weaponlight. Many times certain configurations are common within certain branches/groups. Here a Marine Raider is seen with a CQBR with an AN/PEQ-16 (USMC issued vs. the LA-5/PEQ SOCOM issued ATPIAL) and KAC NT4 suppressor (vs. the current Surefire SOCOM suppressor). ---------- Building a clone If you're interested in building a "clone" of a Mk 18 or CQBR equipped M4A1, here is a basic parts list to use as a guide and get you started. This list is not exhaustive and see the * note above regarding personalized accessories. | Mk 18 Mod 0 | M4A1 CQBR Block I | M4A1 CQBR Block II Lower Receiver | Mil-spec forged A1 | Mil-spec forged A2 | Mil-spec forged A2 Stock | Gen 1 SOPMOD (Black) | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others | M4, CAR, SOPMOD, CTR & others Pistol Grip | A1 | A2, ERGO & others | A2, ERGO & others Rear Sling Plate | CQD | CQD | CQD Upper Receiver | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile | Mil-spec forged M4 profile Barrel | 10.3" | 10.3" | 10.3" Rail | KAC RIS | KAC RAS | DD Mk18 RIS II (FDE) Rear BUIS | LMT Fixed | LMT Fixed, MATECH, & others | MATECH, KAC 300m, & others Front Sight | A2 FSB | A2 FSB | KAC 99051 BUIS (Taupe) Front Sling Attachment | FSB Sling Swivel | FSB Sling Swivel | CQD Muzzle Device | KAC M4QD | KAC M4QD | SureFire FH-556-RC Supressor | None | KAC QDSS NT4 | SureFire SOCOM556-RC (FDE) LAM | None | PEQ-2 | LA-5 Weaponlight | SureFire M962 | SureFire M952, M962 | Insight M3X (Tan), Insight WMX200 (Bronze) Optic | Aimpoint Comp M2 in Wilcox Mount | Aimpoint Comp M2 in QRP Mount, ACOG | EOTech 553 (Tan), EOTech EXPS3-0 (Tan), ELCAN 1-4x (FDE) ---------- Link to previous threads Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part I Previous Mk 18 / CQBR Thread Part II |
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This is a new thread. Keep it that way. No whining about the old one. Stay on topic and off each other.
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MODs, I posted here after having the other thread closed for not being technical. This spreadsheet is trying it's best to be "technical" but if you guys don't want me posting it in here, say the word and i'll delete this post. -------------------------------------------------- Here is a suggestion (for the CQBR MOD1) guidelines. It uses the CRANE NSW issued weapon as the benchmark. Even though 99.99% of us won't ever get a full auto Colt M4A1 or M16A1 lower, an AN\PEG-15 or the Military reticle version of the ECLAN SpecterDR 1-4x, it still uses those components as the "gold" build. In theory, If you got a Colt 6920 and sent it off to ADCO to get the barrel chopped and then purchased all of the commercially available parts, you would be at around 95% clone correct.
My little project has a long way to go, but I intend to build it out with the help of some resident ARFCOM experts and it will include Block I and II variations along with the CAS-V variant that was posted multiple times in Part I of the original MK18/CQBR/Variants thread. DISCLAIMER: I am in no way guaranteeing that my spreadsheet is 100% accurate at this point. I am also not pushing to make it part of the rules for this or any other thread. I just wanted a personal reference and a "Cliff Notes" version of the high points learned from this and the other MK18/CQBR clone threads. ------------------------------------------------------------ I am also kicking around a clone rating/grading/ranking system where you would check off options from a Google Form (or something similar) and it would compile a score based off of your selections. Components would be weighted based on a Gold/Silver/Bronze status. Since much of the entertainment here is derived from trying to get as close to genuine as possible, I thought attaching a score to that effort would increase the fun factor. Google Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dNdV1AmvmVuGH28s-JnwnaIjVnJfJwjIoQ_el5ZMOn0/edit?usp=sharing |
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Originally Posted By PFran42:
EDIT: MODs, I posted here after having the other thread closed for not being technical. This spreadsheet is trying it's best to be "technical" but if you guys don't want me posting it in here, say the word and i'll delete this post. -------------------------------------------------- Here is a suggestion (for the CQBR MOD1) guidelines. It uses the CRANE NSW issued weapon as the benchmark. Even though 99.99% of us won't ever get a full auto Colt M4A1 or M16A1 lower, an AN\PEG-15 or the Military reticle version of the ECLAN SpecterDR 1-4x, it still uses those components as the "gold" build. In theory, If you got a Colt 6920 and sent it off to ADCO to get the barrel chopped and then purchased all of the commercially available parts, you would be at around 95% clone correct. My little project has a long way to go, but I intend to build it out with the help of some resident ARFCOM experts and it will include Block I and II variations along with the CAS-V variant that was posted multiple times in Part I of the original MK18/CQBR/Variants thread. DISCLAIMER: I am in no way guaranteeing that my spreadsheet is 100% accurate at this point. I am also not pushing to make it part of the rules for this or any other thread. I just wanted a personal reference and a "Cliff Notes" version of the high points learned from this and the other MK18/CQBR clone threads. ------------------------------------------------------------ I am also kicking around a clone rating/grading/ranking system where you would check off options from a Google Form (or something similar) and it would compile a score based off of your selections. Components would be weighted based on a Gold/Silver/Bronze status. Since much of the entertainment here is derived from trying to get as close to genuine as possible, I thought attaching a score to that effort would increase the fun factor. Google Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dNdV1AmvmVuGH28s-JnwnaIjVnJfJwjIoQ_el5ZMOn0/edit?usp=sharing View Quote This looks great! I like the scoring idea as well. The only problem I see is that Badger Ordanance and DD are the suppliers of the gas block, not KAC. This came from a KAC military division rep on another thread. Also, the new can is the Surefire 556 RC with a SF 4 prong; therefore, shouldn't these items be in the gold section? Edited to add about the stock. Since B5 is now supplying SOPMODs to the military, shouldn't those be moved to gold as well? |
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Originally Posted By PFran42:
EDIT: MODs, I posted here after having the other thread closed for not being technical. This spreadsheet is trying it's best to be "technical" but if you guys don't want me posting it in here, say the word and i'll delete this post. -------------------------------------------------- Here is a suggestion (for the CQBR MOD1) guidelines. It uses the CRANE NSW issued weapon as the benchmark. Even though 99.99% of us won't ever get a full auto Colt M4A1 or M16A1 lower, an AN\PEG-15 or the Military reticle version of the ECLAN SpecterDR 1-4x, it still uses those components as the "gold" build. In theory, If you got a Colt 6920 and sent it off to ADCO to get the barrel chopped and then purchased all of the commercially available parts, you would be at around 95% clone correct. My little project has a long way to go, but I intend to build it out with the help of some resident ARFCOM experts and it will include Block I and II variations along with the CAS-V variant that was posted multiple times in Part I of the original MK18/CQBR/Variants thread. DISCLAIMER: I am in no way guaranteeing that my spreadsheet is 100% accurate at this point. I am also not pushing to make it part of the rules for this or any other thread. I just wanted a personal reference and a "Cliff Notes" version of the high points learned from this and the other MK18/CQBR clone threads. ------------------------------------------------------------ I am also kicking around a clone rating/grading/ranking system where you would check off options from a Google Form (or something similar) and it would compile a score based off of your selections. Components would be weighted based on a Gold/Silver/Bronze status. Since much of the entertainment here is derived from trying to get as close to genuine as possible, I thought attaching a score to that effort would increase the fun factor. Google Spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dNdV1AmvmVuGH28s-JnwnaIjVnJfJwjIoQ_el5ZMOn0/edit?usp=sharing View Quote This is good. Like was said above, add the 4 prong SF flash hider and the 556RC in FDE to the gold section. Also the Magpul AFG to the acceptable variants for foregrip. |
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Originally Posted By PFran42: EDIT: View Quote MODs, I posted here after having the other thread closed for not being technical. This spreadsheet is trying it's best to be "technical" but if you guys don't want me posting it in here, say the word and i'll delete this post. -------------------------------------------------- Here is a suggestion (for the CQBR MOD1) guidelines. It uses the CRANE NSW issued weapon as the benchmark. Even though 99.99% of us won't ever get a full auto Colt M4A1 or M16A1 lower, an AN\PEG-15 or the Military reticle version of the ECLAN SpecterDR 1-4x, it still uses those components as the "gold" build. In theory, If you got a Colt 6920 and sent it off to ADCO to get the barrel chopped and then purchased all of the commercially available parts, you would be at around 95% clone correct. My little project has a long way to go, but I intend to build it out with the help of some resident ARFCOM experts and it will include Block I and II variations along with the CAS-V variant that was posted multiple times in Part I of the original MK18/CQBR/Variants thread. DISCLAIMER: I am in no way guaranteeing that my spreadsheet is 100% accurate at this point. I am also not pushing to make it part of the rules for this or any other thread. I just wanted a personal reference and a "Cliff Notes" version of the high points learned from this and the other MK18/CQBR clone threads. ------------------------------------------------------------ I am also kicking around a clone rating/grading/ranking system where you would check off options from a Google Form (or something similar) and it would compile a score based off of your selections. Components would be weighted based on a Gold/Silver/Bronze status. Since much of the entertainment here is derived from trying to get as close to genuine as possible, I thought attaching a score to that effort would increase the fun factor. Google Spreadsheet: Kudos for putting that together. Great idea.
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I don't know that this is the correct place for this question, so I apologize in advance if it needs to be somewhere else. The old thread never specified between standard vs QD tango down grips and I am getting ready to purchase one. Could you guys please educate me as to which one to get and why? Thank you.
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Lets keep the chatter in this thread to the minimum. Email or IM me with any input/ideas/whatever. (Thats the reason I posted the other poll thread - I didn't want pages of discussion about the spreadsheet in here clogging up what has started out to be a really good thread). I'll be working on the spreadsheet continuously until it contains as much accurate information as you guys can provide.
Edit: Thunder79 - One would think that the BVG-ITI in FDE would be correct since it has the cutout for the Insight pressure pad but I couldn't find a NSN number for it. The only one I found was for the BGV-MK46 which is compatible with Surefire pressure pads. |
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Well sense someone has an issue with the fact I mentioned I put a EOTECH G33 in the EE, pretend I never did that! I was just trying to help out one of my fellow BLOCK II guys, not get anyone panties in a twist.
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The SOCOM 5.56 RC is the standard issue, but do they send the 5.56 SOCOM MG ones in use?
I'm looking to buy an M16 soon, and I assume the MG would be the better can to use, or is the difference really that noticeable? |
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Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
The SOCOM 5.56 RC is the standard issue, but do they send the 5.56 SOCOM MG ones in use? I'm looking to buy an M16 soon, and I assume the MG would be the better can to use, or is the difference really that noticeable? View Quote The MG is just a heavier longer version of the RC. I would stick with the RC. |
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For the CQBR block 2, would an FDE Surefire Scout light and an FDE Magpul MIAD grip be out of spec for clone purposes?
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Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
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Originally Posted By M4A1: For the CQBR block 2, would an FDE Surefire Scout light and an FDE Magpul MIAD grip be out of spec for clone purposes? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By PFran42:
Not if you look at all of the pics of them installed in the field. It's not "as issued" but I bet there are close to if not more Surefires installed on CQBR MOD I/Block IIs than the M3X lights. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PFran42:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
For the CQBR block 2, would an FDE Surefire Scout light and an FDE Magpul MIAD grip be out of spec for clone purposes? There are pics of them with Scout lights. One of my favorite all time CQBR pics is of a Marine with his leaned against a wall. The rifle has an ACOG and a T1 in an offset mount and a Scout light. Bad ass. |
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Originally Posted By PFran42:
Not if you look at all of the pics of them installed in the field. It's not "as issued" but I bet there are close to if not more Surefires installed on CQBR MOD I/Block IIs than the M3X lights. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By PFran42:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
For the CQBR block 2, would an FDE Surefire Scout light and an FDE Magpul MIAD grip be out of spec for clone purposes? Nice, what mount do they use when using an FDE Surefire Scout? Just the stand scout mount? |
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Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
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Originally Posted By cmcflex:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FstR6WEE2gw/UKf9wdABvbI/AAAAAAAAADY/QSIVLWJanzQ/s1600/pic7.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By cmcflex:
Originally Posted By Will816:
Originally Posted By PFran42:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
For the CQBR block 2, would an FDE Surefire Scout light and an FDE Magpul MIAD grip be out of spec for clone purposes? There are pics of them with Scout lights. One of my favorite all time CQBR pics is of a Marine with his leaned against a wall. The rifle has an ACOG and a T1 in an offset mount and a Scout light. Bad ass. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FstR6WEE2gw/UKf9wdABvbI/AAAAAAAAADY/QSIVLWJanzQ/s1600/pic7.jpg what I thought the Marines were poor |
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Originally Posted By Manny2_0:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FstR6WEE2gw/UKf9wdABvbI/AAAAAAAAADY/QSIVLWJanzQ/s1600/pic7.jpg what I thought the Marines were poor View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Manny2_0:
Originally Posted By cmcflex:
Originally Posted By Will816:
Originally Posted By PFran42:
Originally Posted By M4A1:
For the CQBR block 2, would an FDE Surefire Scout light and an FDE Magpul MIAD grip be out of spec for clone purposes? There are pics of them with Scout lights. One of my favorite all time CQBR pics is of a Marine with his leaned against a wall. The rifle has an ACOG and a T1 in an offset mount and a Scout light. Bad ass. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FstR6WEE2gw/UKf9wdABvbI/AAAAAAAAADY/QSIVLWJanzQ/s1600/pic7.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FstR6WEE2gw/UKf9wdABvbI/AAAAAAAAADY/QSIVLWJanzQ/s1600/pic7.jpg what I thought the Marines were poor thats Marsoc. totally different funding |
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What place do go to ask question about the last photo of the US Marine MARSOC w/surefire scout light and who do I direct the question to?
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Originally Posted By Lawdog-1:
What place do go to ask question about the last photo of the US Marine MARSOC w/surefire scout light and who do I direct the question to? View Quote Official Mk18 and CQBR Photo and Discussion Thread Ask away man! I just ordered a BFG "special green" (st pattys day green) vcas sling today for my MOD 0-pics when it arrives......anyone else have one of these? I'm hoping the green looks the same as it does on their site |
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Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote:
The MG is just a heavier longer version of the RC. I would stick with the RC. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
The SOCOM 5.56 RC is the standard issue, but do they send the 5.56 SOCOM MG ones in use? I'm looking to buy an M16 soon, and I assume the MG would be the better can to use, or is the difference really that noticeable? The MG is just a heavier longer version of the RC. I would stick with the RC. Done. RC on transfer now to me. Now to find a SU-231 reasonable price. |
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Originally Posted By ECPrevatte: I really dislike the way they look. Sounds dumb, but this clone look is what I am aiming for. http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/10591337784_86983d0e28_o.jpg View Quote I think I had asked this a while back, but are those painted AAC cans?
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
I think I had asked this a while back, but are those painted AAC cans? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I really dislike the way they look. Sounds dumb, but this clone look is what I am aiming for. http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/10591337784_86983d0e28_o.jpg I think I had asked this a while back, but are those painted AAC cans? The one on the right looks like an M42K, and the one on the left looks like an NT4 |
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Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
The one on the right looks like an M42K, and the one on the left looks like an NT4 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I really dislike the way they look. Sounds dumb, but this clone look is what I am aiming for. http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/10591337784_86983d0e28_o.jpg I think I had asked this a while back, but are those painted AAC cans? The one on the right looks like an M42K, and the one on the left looks like an NT4 That's what I was thinking as well. |
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Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
That's what I was thinking as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I really dislike the way they look. Sounds dumb, but this clone look is what I am aiming for. http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/10591337784_86983d0e28_o.jpg I think I had asked this a while back, but are those painted AAC cans? The one on the right looks like an M42K, and the one on the left looks like an NT4 That's what I was thinking as well. Hell yeah, now all of us AAC can guys have our "seen in the wild" card we can use, as well as the guys who want to paint their lower orange. |
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How can you tell if the guy in Woodland camo is a USMC MARSOC? What is that cage thing on his hip with something orange in it? Is that a KAC M4QDSS can?
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Is that a ERGO FDE grip I see?
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Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Thats a lot of muzzle flash. I thought CQBR's used flash hiders? View Quote Silly Californians You don't get to see the fireball that is SBR. I don't think there is enough flash hider made for some of the ammo fired out of 10.3 I know why guys buy cans, now. |
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Originally Posted By G_MAN:
Hell yeah, now all of us AAC can guys have our "seen in the wild" card we can use, as well as the guys who want to paint their lower orange. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By G_MAN:
Originally Posted By StevieJ309:
Originally Posted By TCBA_Joe:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I really dislike the way they look. Sounds dumb, but this clone look is what I am aiming for. http://i890.photobucket.com/albums/ac108/SJasper84/10591337784_86983d0e28_o.jpg I think I had asked this a while back, but are those painted AAC cans? The one on the right looks like an M42K, and the one on the left looks like an NT4 That's what I was thinking as well. Hell yeah, now all of us AAC can guys have our "seen in the wild" card we can use, as well as the guys who want to paint their lower orange. Yep. That sure is an M4-2000. Let's ask wayfaerer before we make AAC cans a legit spotted in the wild acceptable can though. I wouldn't want another thread nuked. |
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Damn it, Ryan. I am shopping cans, now. I may need a place to live after this is over.
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Originally Posted By Lawdog-1:
How can you tell if the guy in Woodland camo is a USMC MARSOC? What is that cage thing on his hip with something orange in it? Is that a KAC M4QDSS can? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Lawdog-1:
How can you tell if the guy in Woodland camo is a USMC MARSOC? What is that cage thing on his hip with something orange in it? Is that a KAC M4QDSS can? MARSOC is primarily issued woodland cammies as their main mission overseas are FID missions, esp in Afghanistan where the ANA (?) are issued woodlands. Other units wear them as well, just not as much or as a primary uniform when deployed from my understanding. SEALs, Army SF, EOD, and several other units where it when necessary as several pics of them are shown wearing it, even in this thread. The cage thing is a muzzle as he is a MWD handler. The suppressor does appear to be a KAC suppressor. Originally Posted By Tmender03:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Yep. That sure is an M4-2000. Let's ask wayfaerer before we make AAC cans a legit spotted in the wild acceptable can though. I wouldn't want another thread nuked. ... give the guy a break. He should have known better. He already sidetracked this thread too. |
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I don't think that can is a M4-2000. The one in the pic has less of a smooth area between the end of the knurled portion and the rear end of the can. I think it looks more like the M42K or M41K:
or the impossible MP7-SD2 Edit: For reference, here is an M4-2000 I'd love to get AAC on the "As Seen in the Wild" list, but we have to figure out which exact model it is first. |
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Originally Posted By DJ_Skinny:
Doesn't matter... AAC can spotted in the wild! Put it on the chart!!! I need it on there to keep my Silver status! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DJ_Skinny:
Originally Posted By PFran42:
<snip> I'd love to get AAC on the "As Seen in the Wild" list, but we have to figure out which exact model it is first. Doesn't matter... AAC can spotted in the wild! Put it on the chart!!! I need it on there to keep my Silver status! It would probably be worthwhile to actually track down whether that really is an AAC can, and why it's on that rifle. Even on the Mk12 side, we tend to try and verify not just what is on the gun, but why it's there. Helps separate legit .mil gear from contractor gear or even worse Airsoft pics. Who do we know of in .mil using an AAC can? SEALs on their HK's supposedly? What about the AAC cans that were supposed to be paired with the SCAR? In the same vein as the UBR and PRS stocks we've seen on 1 off Mk12 Mod 1's, it didn't necessarily open the floodgates to whatever stock you want. You should be able to find the pics in the wild for any divergence from off the rack specifications. ***This is coming from a guy with an AAC SPR/M4 on a Mk12, as much as I wish it were a spec can, in retrospect it ain't, nothing is changing that. If you want a clone with an AAC can, then the 10" HK416 is your huckleberry. |
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Originally Posted By TurbineGuy: He should have known better. He already sidetracked this thread too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By TurbineGuy: Originally Posted By Tmender03: Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21: Yep. That sure is an M4-2000. Let's ask wayfaerer before we make AAC cans a legit spotted in the wild acceptable can though. I wouldn't want another thread nuked. ... give the guy a break. He should have known better. He already sidetracked this thread too. To the tag-team that is AR-Ryan and TurbineGuy... With all due respect, the only thing that "already sidetracked" this thread were your comments. Congratulations. And for the record, TurbineGuy - please take a look at page 605 of the Block II clone thread - the three posts at the top... People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Bury it and move on...Please. |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
To the tag-team that is AR-Ryan and TurbineGuy... With all due respect, the only thing that "already sidetracked" this thread were your comments. Congratulations. And for the record, TurbineGuy - please take a look at page 605 of the Block II clone thread - the three posts at the top... People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Bury it and move on...Please. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By TurbineGuy:
Originally Posted By Tmender03:
Originally Posted By AR-Ryan21:
Yep. That sure is an M4-2000. Let's ask wayfaerer before we make AAC cans a legit spotted in the wild acceptable can though. I wouldn't want another thread nuked. ... give the guy a break. He should have known better. He already sidetracked this thread too. To the tag-team that is AR-Ryan and TurbineGuy... With all due respect, the only thing that "already sidetracked" this thread were your comments. Congratulations. And for the record, TurbineGuy - please take a look at page 605 of the Block II clone thread - the three posts at the top... People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Bury it and move on...Please. You should take the petty stuff to IM. |
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I could be wrong, my memory is not the best these days and I don't pay that much attention to AAC cans because I have a SF. However, there was a brief discussion in the other thread regarding a unit having them, might 've been PJs, I believe pics were displayed. I can't remember the details, but it may have been during the testing/selection process when SOCOM switched to Surefire. Fans of these suppressors should go back through the thread and see if they can find it. Hope that helps
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Some cool pics in this one
Day 99... I have everything, but a stamp, and lower. Thanks Ident |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Always liked this one: http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk148/pezboytate/Firearms/mk18mod1.jpg View Quote One of my favorites. Several hundred pages ago in the original thread someone commented, "looks like the Viking god of ass-kicking". I fell off the couch laughing! |
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Originally Posted By Thunder79: One of my favorites. Several hundred pages ago in the original thread someone commented, "looks like the Viking god of ass-kicking". I fell off the couch laughing! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Thunder79: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Always liked this one: http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk148/pezboytate/Firearms/mk18mod1.jpg One of my favorites. Several hundred pages ago in the original thread someone commented, "looks like the Viking god of ass-kicking". I fell off the couch laughing! Haha yes - Vikings definitely come to mind. Beards make the weapon look that much more badass too.
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