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Posted: 2/4/2013 7:49:40 AM EDT
I see this is about on par from the other posts on here.
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Your order or your back-order? My order. These were labeled in stock. I received 2 confirmation emails (both stating these were in stock) and then got the cancellation email today. I am not the only one. There are a few other guys that got cancelled over in the lower parts kit update thread under the build it yourself subtopic. I let a few other LPK slip by this weekend because I assumed Brownells was good to go. I should have known better. |
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I see a lot of back-orders being canceled all around. And it seems many vendors cannot keep tabs on their actual stock. Which seems strange to me since, most are all computerized now.
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Your order or your back-order? My order. These were labeled in stock. I received 2 confirmation emails (both stating these were in stock) and then got the cancellation email today. I am not the only one. There are a few other guys that got cancelled over in the lower parts kit update thread under the build it yourself subtopic. I let a few other LPK slip by this weekend because I assumed Brownells was good to go. I should have known better. So how long would you wait for the back-order? |
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This buying panic has generated an incredible amount of whining.
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Mine were put to backorder, not cancelled. Passed on the cmmg lpk's fro Amazon because I thought these were coming. Just another backorder I'll have to cancel with Brownells I guess
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This buying panic has generated an incredible amount of whining. I think it has shown the relatively poor online product/pipeline/stock software system. Lots of places show 'in stock' only to be 'out of stock' after the order has been processed. This disparity is what is pissing people off so much. |
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Been waiting on 3 DPMS LPKs from Brownells since before Christmas.
Decided to email DPMS and ask about lead times this morning and got this in response. Ticket status: New Department: Dealer Sales Subject: AR15 Lower Parts Kits All lower parts kits are about 2-4 months out from the date of order right now |
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This buying panic has generated an incredible amount of whining. I think it has shown the relatively poor online product/pipeline/stock software system. Lots of places show 'in stock' only to be 'out of stock' after the order has been processed. This disparity is what is pissing people off so much. This. It's not the wait ... its the lack of information, incorrect information, websites crapping out, leaving people in a position where they have ordered product, but, are still in limbo concerning the progress of their orders. Not knowing, and not being able to find out the status of ones order, is bullshit. As for wait times, I think everyone understands they have to wait. What I cannot understand, is why an entire industry devoted to manufacturing and shipping product, cannot provide logistical information to customers. And mind you ... this is an industry that is not at all new to panic buying and demand spikes. They have been through periods of extraordinary demand before, and been unable to provide lead times before, and when they got through it, did they update their software to provide better info to customers ? NO. Business as usual. Next demand spike, just tell people to shut up and wait again and "we don't know where your shit is." and "please don't call us asking where your shit is because we are busy." Apparently, just putting banner ads on your website that say "Customer satisfaction is our #1 goal" is good enough. No need to actually deliver on it. Fedex knows where millions and millions of packages are at every second of every day. The firearms industry can't tell you anything but "please don't call us unless you want to buy more shit at inflated prices." This is reality. |
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This buying panic has generated an incredible amount of whining. I think it has shown the relatively poor online product/pipeline/stock software system. Lots of places show 'in stock' only to be 'out of stock' after the order has been processed. This disparity is what is pissing people off so much. This. It's not the wait ... its the lack of information, incorrect information, websites crapping out, leaving people in a position where they have ordered product, but, are still in limbo concerning the progress of their orders. Not knowing, and not being able to find out the status of ones order, is bullshit. As for wait times, I think everyone understands they have to wait. What I cannot understand, is why an entire industry devoted to manufacturing and shipping product, cannot provide logistical information to customers. And mind you ... this is an industry that is not at all new to panic buying and demand spikes. They have been through periods of extraordinary demand before, and been unable to provide lead times before, and when they got through it, did they update their software to provide better info to customers ? NO. Business as usual. Next demand spike, just tell people to shut up and wait again and "we don't know where your shit is." and "please don't call us asking where your shit is because we are busy." Apparently, just putting banner ads on your website that say "Customer satisfaction is our #1 goal" is good enough. No need to actually deliver on it. Fedex knows where millions and millions of packages are at every second of every day. The firearms industry can't tell you anything but "please don't call us unless you want to buy more shit at inflated prices." This is reality. The biggest differences between Fedex and Brownells are: -Fedex probably makes more money per day then Brownells does per year, so Fedex has a lot larger budget for technology. You can't expect Brownells to have an I.T. system like Fedex. -Brownells has to depend entirely upon other manufacturers to deliver before Brownells can fulfill orders. If a supplier says a product will be delivered by a certain date but fails to deliver, Brownells will be blamed by the customers. All Fedex has to worry about is getting an object from point 'A' to point 'B' which they have done millions times over and over again so they know how long it will take and they don't have to depend so much on outside companies. -The shipping industry has known peak business times (like around Christmas) so they can plan ahead to hire and train temporary employees. Brownells never knows when the next spike will hit and they can't afford to keep "stand by" staff employed unless you want prices to go way up. I will admit that it sounds like Brownells suffered a pretty big melt down with their ordering systems. With that being said, I think they will learn and improve. Also, I imagine that a part of their issue was that this rush was different then even the 2008 rush. This latest rush was almost all about magazines were before, it was just everything gun related (meaning the sales were spread out between more products). I'm sure that only 40 products (or less) made up 95% of the sales for this past rush. It would be hard for any system to process that many orders for the same items that quickly. Finally, getting mad at Brownells for not having estimated in-stock dates is ridiculous. ETA: The in-stock at the time of starting the order to the out-of-stock status after the order placed is understandable if hundreds of people are placing orders for the exact same item at the exact same time. It sucks but a lot of stock levels can change in the time it takes from starting the order process to the time you can hit "submit order". You can't expect them to fix the order system melt down overnight when they are still being overwhelmed with incoming orders and status requests. With that being said, I hope they get things straightened out sooner than later and hopefully they can made changes for better preparedness in the future. |
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The biggest differences between Fedex and Brownells are: -Fedex probably makes more money per day then Brownells does per year, so Fedex has a lot larger budget for technology. You can't expect Brownells to have an I.T. system like Fedex. It's not difficult to produce a report, showing, estimated ship times, based on receive rate and order rate - cancel rate. The cost is a few hours of IT department staff time. Having worked in IT for awhile, I know this to be fact. -Brownells has to depend entirely upon other manufacturers to deliver before Brownells can fulfill orders. If a supplier says a product will be delivered by a certain date but fails to deliver, Brownells will be blamed by the customers. All Fedex has to worry about is getting an object from point 'A' to point 'B' which they have done millions times over and over again so they know how long it will take and they don't have to depend so much on outside companies. The rate at which Brownells receives product is the rate they could use to give estimates to their customers. It doesn't matter which manufacturer is backed up for whatever time period. All that matters is the rate at which Brownells receives and ships product. They have this information. -The shipping industry has known peak business times (like around Christmas) so they can plan ahead to hire and train temporary employees. Brownells never knows when the next spike will hit and they can't afford to keep "stand by" staff employed unless you want prices to go way up. You don't need standby staff. You can put an ad in the paper saying "now hiring" after your order rates show an upward trend lasting more than X days. It's not like they need gunsmiths with 10+ years experience to work in the shipping and customer service departments. I will admit that it sounds like Brownells suffered a pretty big melt down with their ordering systems. With that being said, I think they will learn and improve. Also, I imagine that a part of their issue was that this rush was different then even the 2008 rush. This latest rush was almost all about magazines were before, it was just everything gun related (meaning the sales were spread out between more products). I'm sure that only 40 products (or less) made up 95% of the sales for this past rush. It would be hard for any system to process that many orders for the same items that quickly. No, it's all just data. Thousands and thousands of transactions per second are achievable on a run of the mill server these days. You can believe they will improve, but they didn't improve after last time, and as long as their IT department, or management, doesn't know what to do to prevent a mess, they will continue to be a mess. They did have a meltdown. Peoples orders were lost. They have multiple systems and they were out of sync. They have admitted this. Finally, getting mad at Brownells for not having estimated in-stock dates is ridiculous. Who said I was "mad" at Brownells ? For people like myself, who have spent their career in IT, it's plain as day, their service and software sucks. It's that simple. It's not an emotional issue, its a simple fact. And I didn't say it was only Brownells either. I clearly stated the entire industry has these problems. ETA: The in-stock at the time of starting the order to the out-of-stock status after the order placed is understandable if hundreds of people are placing orders for the exact same item at the exact same time. It sucks but a lot of stock levels can change in the time it takes from starting the order process to the time you can hit "submit order". You can't expect them to fix the order system melt down overnight when they are still being overwhelmed with incoming orders and status requests. With that being said, I hope they get things straightened out sooner than later and hopefully they can made changes for better preparedness in the future. You can make all the excuses you want. Math and data are math and data, and this information can be calculated and communicated to customers. They have known for years and not implemented it, what makes you so sure someone will wake up and implement it now ? It requires that someone actually care enough to implement it. But as I pointed out, all anyone cares about anymore is "image." Advertising that you're the best is so much easier than actually attempting to be it. Welcome to the big lie. "We don't know when you will get the stuff you ordered, but see us at SHOT!" One would think, whoever decided to add a "backorder" feature to the website, that that seems like the perfect time, to figure out how to answer customers ETA questions. It is part of a backorder system you know. They certainly didn't forget to take the cash for backordered items. They probably didn't forget to add backordered items to the amount of items they need to order from the manufacturer. Hey ... what was left out ? ETA times for customers ! "F em. Just tell em 2 weeks 2 weeks." I guess the copy of "Art of War" every mid level manager has sitting on their office bookshelf doesn't include a chapter on statistical analysis. You can get mad at me for pointing it out if you want. I'm not upset. It's just obvious to me, given my background, that the emperor is naked, even if you think you see his shiny new coat. From my perspective, this is an opportunity. |
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One, you cannot answer a question if the manufactuer or distributer cannot give you a ETA or gives you a WAG of a ETA now it is the company saying we did not recieve an amount to cover X then people get upset. Two you are not charge automatically. You have a pending charge for two-three days then you it is back on your card.
If you were a Business IT professional then you would understand the complexities of the business world and the supply chain. |
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One, you cannot answer a question if the manufactuer or distributer cannot give you a ETA or gives you a WAG of a ETA now it is the company saying we did not recieve an amount to cover X then people get upset. Two you are not charge automatically. You have a pending charge for two-three days then you it is back on your card. If you were a Business IT professional then you would understand the complexities of the business world and the supply chain. I am an IT professional, and I understand that when you have 10 years of historical business data, you can use it to estimate supplier response times without asking them to predict the future for you. It involves many of the same algorithms found in missile guidance systems. Thanks for the smugness. Just because *you* cannot predict the future, doesn't mean that *I* cannot. |
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One, you cannot answer a question if the manufactuer or distributer cannot give you a ETA or gives you a WAG of a ETA now it is the company saying we did not recieve an amount to cover X then people get upset. Two you are not charge automatically. You have a pending charge for two-three days then you it is back on your card. If you were a Business IT professional then you would understand the complexities of the business world and the supply chain. I am an IT professional, and I understand that when you have 10 years of historical business data, you can use it to estimate supplier response times without asking them to predict the future for you. It involves many of the same algorithms found in missile guidance systems. Thanks for the smugness. Just because *you* cannot predict the future, doesn't mean that *I* cannot. This is very irrelevant in the current climate. Never before has there been demand like this, not even close. Not in 04, not in 08, not in Nov. of 2012. Aggregate all those periods of demand and you may have something that compares. Your presumptions about Brownells infrastructure, labor force, while valid, may or may not be correct in this instance. I know they operate in a very small Iowa town, I can't imagine the labor pool to draw from is that elite. I will also question; why would they invest the money and the time to research, test, and implement a new software system at this point in their growth when what they currently have has more than sufficed 99.5% of the time? I saw on their Facebook they are breaking ground in a new city (also in Iowa), but perhaps its a bigger city, and they will be able to draw a new work force, and use that opportunity to reevaluate their current inventory system and make changes. |
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One, you cannot answer a question if the manufactuer or distributer cannot give you a ETA or gives you a WAG of a ETA now it is the company saying we did not recieve an amount to cover X then people get upset. Two you are not charge automatically. You have a pending charge for two-three days then you it is back on your card. If you were a Business IT professional then you would understand the complexities of the business world and the supply chain. I am an IT professional, and I understand that when you have 10 years of historical business data, you can use it to estimate supplier response times without asking them to predict the future for you. It involves many of the same algorithms found in missile guidance systems. Thanks for the smugness. Just because *you* cannot predict the future, doesn't mean that *I* cannot. I think the issue is you cant use any historical data to estimate supplier delivery times in todays panic. There has never been anything like it in the firearms industry. You are talking about selling years worth of production in weeks. Every company is runnig flat out producing parts right now. Just put your name on a backorder sit back and relax. They will eventually show up. Did you call Brownells and ask why the orders were cancelled? |
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Canceling an order for an item that was in stock is just not cool. Notify the person that they will have to be placed on backorder status in the order that excess orders were recieved, or give them the choice to cancel, along with some token of a coupon or discount with your "I'm sorry".
I respect Brownells enough to know they aren't doing anything to screw anyone over. It's bad that it happened, but from a company that pulled out of a gun show because the pussy organizers wouldn't allow modern sporting rifles, they will get the benefit of the doubt, and my business. If a company that was price gouging did it, i'd be fine with them never getting another dime from me... |
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My order is still on backorder from 12-21-2012 too but it still shows in the system & I have all my emails. I have been dealing with Brownell's for almost 15years now and have never had a bad experience. I read they had issues with software that did not pop up until this "flood" of orders occurred. They put out a notification about it and have worked to correct it that is all you can really expect them to do at this point. I'm as anxious as any of you but I beginning to think some of those posting on AR15 are those that have been told they are something special all their lives.
I will support Brownell's based on the years of excellent service they have providing me. |
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I think the issue is you cant use any historical data to estimate supplier delivery times in todays panic. There has never been anything like it in the firearms industry. You are talking about selling years worth of production in weeks. Every company is runnig flat out producing parts right now. Just put your name on a backorder sit back and relax. They will eventually show up. Did you call Brownells and ask why the orders were cancelled? I think the issue is, that *I* can use historical data to estimate supplier delivery times, but as I originally stated, the software the firearms industry is using can't. I am talking about math, that doesn't break down, simply because the numbers got larger. If you read and comprehend the thread, you'll see where I previously stated, it's not about the wait, its about the lack of information, due to information systems that are not capable of providing customer information. Calling anyone in the industry and asking them "why" something happened when their software doesn't calculate it, or provide the information to them, just gets you a made up at the moment excuse, from a polite and well intentioned customer service rep, who will tell you lies or misinformation based on lack of understanding in order to keep the caller happy. Some of us can see through this. And again, it's not about Brownells. It's about the entire industry, not using math, to provide customer estimates. Time Series Analysis |
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I think the issue is you cant use any historical data to estimate supplier delivery times in todays panic. There has never been anything like it in the firearms industry. You are talking about selling years worth of production in weeks. Every company is runnig flat out producing parts right now. Just put your name on a backorder sit back and relax. They will eventually show up. Did you call Brownells and ask why the orders were cancelled? I think the issue is, that *I* can use historical data to estimate supplier delivery times, but as I originally stated, the software the firearms industry is using can't. I am talking about math, that doesn't break down, simply because the numbers got larger. If you read and comprehend the thread, you'll see where I previously stated, it's not about the wait, its about the lack of information, due to information systems that are not capable of providing customer information. Calling anyone in the industry and asking them "why" something happened when their software doesn't calculate it, or provide the information to them, just gets you a made up at the moment excuse, from a polite and well intentioned customer service rep, who will tell you lies or misinformation based on lack of understanding in order to keep the caller happy. Some of us can see through this. And again, it's not about Brownells. It's about the entire industry, not using math, to provide customer estimates. Time Series Analysis Again, I ask how you can use historical data, when there is no historical data about situations like this? |
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Again, I ask how you can use historical data, when there is no historical data about situations like this? A retailer has the following information at their disposal ( assuming they collected it ): 1) the date and time and sku of all customer orders. 2) the date and time and sku of all retailer requests from vendors for product. 3) the date and time and sku of all deliveries from vendor to retailer. 4) the date and time and sku of all shipments from retailer to customer. and perhaps even 5) the date and time and sku of final delivery to customer. 6) the retailers market share of the industry. It doesn't matter matter that January 2013 has never happened before. All that matters is the above data and math. The above pieces of information cover all product flows from vendor -> retailer -> customer. The key concept to grasp here, is that the delivery estimate of a backordered item has nothing to do with the item itself, and everything to do with the human behaviors involved in delivering it, and human behavior is the same as its been for the last decade. |
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Again, I ask how you can use historical data, when there is no historical data about situations like this? A retailer has the following information at their disposal ( assuming they collected it ): 1) the date and time and sku of all customer orders. 2) the date and time and sku of all retailer requests from vendors for product. 3) the date and time and sku of all deliveries from vendor to retailer. 4) the date and time and sku of all shipments from retailer to customer. and perhaps even 5) the date and time and sku of final delivery to customer. 6) the retailers market share of the industry. It doesn't matter matter that January 2013 has never happened before. All that matters is the above data and math. The above pieces of information cover all product flows from vendor -> retailer -> customer. The key concept to grasp here, is that the delivery estimate of a backordered item has nothing to do with the item itself, and everything to do with the human behaviors involved in delivering it, and human behavior is the same as its been for the last decade. You'd be correct, except this isn't true. There is a very very good chance that Magpul was not producing to full capacity before the panic, and they are (or say they are) now. There is no historical data that would give us this info or tell us what the production capability is. The fact is, even at full capacity, they are still not keeping up with orders. Until there is some sort of baseline for production at full capacity (and magpul probably knows this), there is no way to forecast delivery time. |
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You'd be correct, except this isn't true. Care to elaborate why human behavior is different today than it was a decade ago ? Do you have some top secret knowledge about alien mind control or something ? Is the phenomenon of demand spikes and supply shortages unique to the current century ? Just because you do not yet understand, does not automatically make the subject impossibly incomprehensible. |
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You'd be correct, except this isn't true. Care to elaborate why human behavior is different today than it was a decade ago ? see edited post above Do you have some top secret knowledge about alien mind control or something ? don't be an ass, this is a solid discussion with two very points of view Is the phenomenon of demand spikes and supply shortages unique to the current century ? in this case, yes. The industry has never seen demand like this. edited my previous post w/ my rationale. Also answered your questions. |
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You'd be correct, except this isn't true. Care to elaborate why human behavior is different today than it was a decade ago ? Do you have some top secret knowledge about alien mind control or something ? Is the phenomenon of demand spikes and supply shortages unique to the current century ? edited my previous post w/ my rationale. "There is a very very good chance that Magpul was not producing to full capacity before the panic, and they are (or say they are) now. There is no historical data that would give us this info or tell us what the production capability is." Magpul is just a factory. Same as every other factory that has operated in the last 100 years. There is nothing magic or unique about Magpul as a factory. As for their production capacity, it doesn't matter. All that matters is the product flow from Magpul -> Brownells -> Customers. Magpul could run at 10% capacity or 110% capacity, and that fact will be evident in the product flow numbers. "The fact is, even at full capacity, they are still not keeping up with orders. Until there is some sort of baseline for production at full capacity (and magpul probably knows this), there is no way to forecast delivery time. " The baseline numbers you seek are in Brownells database. They know how long every order they've ever placed from Magpul takes to ship to customers. They know the good times and the bad times, and via the processes of extrapolation and interpolation accurate estimates can be derived. The relationship between the current extraordinarily high demand, and previous levels of demand, exists in Brownells database regardless of any information comming directly from Magpul or any other factory themselves. Brownells knows how much higher demand is now, than demand was at any other time, based on their own sales numbers. It is safe to assume if Brownells demand spiked 300%, so did everyone elses, unless Brownells themselves caused the spike, and we know that is not true. We know the industry demand spike is an external shock to an otherwise highly stable system. Furthermore, when all of the factories are viewed in aggregate, the response rate of any particular factory can be estimated based on its similarity to the others, even in the absence of product from any one factory in particular during the spike. As for the complexity of the relationships between the various data series being beyond the capacity of anyone to fully comprehend, that doesn't matter either, as there is an entire industry devoted to "data mining" with software that does all this automatically. Data mining software has been attributed to the Obama campaigns recent victory, as well as, Targets ability to know your daughter is pregnant before you do. How Target Knows Your Daughter is Pregnant I hope this helps you understand how important the collection of corporate data is, and how useful it can be, as well as, how useless the collection of the data is, if noone ever bothers to analyse it. And I should add ... if the estimates from the data mining software are inaccurate, the error itself can be estimated via other means, and the final estimate adjusted. The end result would be ... "Your backordered item is currently estimated to arrive at our facility between X date and Y date with Z probability, and estimated to arrive at your house between Q date and R date with T probability." Welcome to the Matrix that is Neos digital view of the world. ps. Im using Brownells merely as an example. I stated before, the entire industry appears to suffer from the inability to provide estimates. I'm not trying to pick on Brownells specifically on this issue. pps. And yes, my apologies for momentarily being an ass. It's the result of years of people telling me "that's impossible" concerning activities I perform on a daily basis, and there are no hard feelings on my part, and I hope you feel the same. I'll try to keep the discussion purely academic, and answer any more questions you may have if I am able. |
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One, you cannot answer a question if the manufactuer or distributer cannot give you a ETA or gives you a WAG of a ETA now it is the company saying we did not recieve an amount to cover X then people get upset. Two you are not charge automatically. You have a pending charge for two-three days then you it is back on your card. If you were a Business IT professional then you would understand the complexities of the business world and the supply chain. Being an IT professional at a manufaacturing plant, I can say this is the truth. Spikes in demand are diffficult to manage. My comapny has a prodcut that was part of the up-armouring of HMMVs during Iraq and AFG. We saw business rise overnight to unprecedented levels, and it impacted our supply chain dramatically. Most manufacturers don't have oodles of excees capacit in their roduction lines, and neither do their suppliers. |
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One, you cannot answer a question if the manufactuer or distributer cannot give you a ETA or gives you a WAG of a ETA now it is the company saying we did not recieve an amount to cover X then people get upset. Two you are not charge automatically. You have a pending charge for two-three days then you it is back on your card. If you were a Business IT professional then you would understand the complexities of the business world and the supply chain. Being an IT professional at a manufaacturing plant, I can say this is the truth. Spikes in demand are diffficult to manage. My comapny has a prodcut that was part of the up-armouring of HMMVs during Iraq and AFG. We saw business rise overnight to unprecedented levels, and it impacted our supply chain dramatically. Most manufacturers don't have oodles of excees capacit in their roduction lines, and neither do their suppliers. If you "saw" business "rise overnight" to X level, and your suppliers had "little excess capacity" in their production lines, then the rate at which your suppliers are delivering materials is a constant, while the only variable is your backlog minus your cancellations, and estimates based on the variables you just stated are trivial to calculate using simple methods, without consideration for more advanced techniques. Perhaps what your company needs is a math consultant, because you just defined the variables involved and used them as a justification for not being able to perform calculations based on them. You have basically agreed with me, that, people just answer the phone and politely say "uh I don't know" and management never bothers to research how to answer the question. Companies have the data to answer the question. The field of mathematics has the methods to answer the question. |
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You might be wrong or you might be right, but I'm getting a headache trying to think of how your calculations would work without knowing more about what is going on in the production side of things. I've done some serious thinking about it too. I even thought of it in terms of a mortgage. You could reliably predict how much interest you would pay on a 30 year loan based on your past history of 5 year, 10 year, 15 year, and 20 year loans. With enough past history, you could even have math models that would predict how the interest rate could change over those 30 years with a variable interest rate loan given the country's current economic cycle. Where I have troubles at is with that pesky unknown factor of what is happening at the factory. According to you, retailers don't need to know current production factors because retailers have as much information as they need from their in-house record keeping. What happens in a situation like what happened with Hostess? According to you, you should still be able to predict an accurate estimated arrival date for a case of Twinkies. In addition, with gun accessory manufacturers, they are often times smaller companies that operate out of only one moderately sized building at only one location. There is too much risk in that alone to publish ETA's which could lose you customers if you are wrong. Finally, another large gun accessory retailer (starts with M, ends with S.A.) publishes ETA's online and I've found it to be fairly accurate in the past. With that being said, even they took down ETA's for products like Pmags. In other words, your wishful thinking of accurate ETA's is nothing but a wish at this point in the game. |
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This buying panic has generated an incredible amount of whining. You gonna post this in every thread you see and get that post count nice and high? Or do you have something positive to contribute? I also had a back order completely disappear, numerous items. Can't find it when I log onto their system, can't get them on the phone. I know they are insanely busy and it may take time to get back to me. I know they are out of stock and it may take a year before I get my parts. But at least let me know if the parts are still actually on back order or not, because other sources have become available. |
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Your order or your back-order? My order. These were labeled in stock. I received 2 confirmation emails (both stating these were in stock) and then got the cancellation email today. I am not the only one. There are a few other guys that got cancelled over in the lower parts kit update thread under the build it yourself subtopic. I let a few other LPK slip by this weekend because I assumed Brownells was good to go. I should have known better. Theres an update in another post concerning this. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_4/596161__IN_STOCK__Lower_PARTS_Kit_Thread.html&page=70#i5880546 |
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