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Posted: 4/15/2008 6:07:32 PM EDT
Say it's not the deer season and you end up having to kick a charging deer in the head and it dies. Do you get in any trouble for taking the carcass? Do you have to report it if it's on a nature preserve?
I know this sounds insane, but I had a deer stare me down today and start stomping it's hooves. I, of course, responded in kind, because where I'm from thems fightin' words. |
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Face-Stabber, it is DEFINATELY time to stop drinking the Everclear straight! |
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A deer will kick your ass. If you really kill it in self defense I'd call the authorities.
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theres no way in hell you can kick a charging buck in the face, you must be Chuck Norris or something....
If its in self defense, I would tell the local DNR office and leave it be. |
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It didn't have any antlers and looked like it only weighed maybe 150 pounds at most. And a front kick isn't very hard to connect.
I was just wondering if there was any legal trouble someone would get into in a situation like this. |
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In regards to fighting a deer, the deer has a clear advantage. You don't have much chance of knocking one out with a front kick or a round house to the head. That was being optomistic. You have zero chance. If somehow you were able to get a naked choke on a deer you might have a chance but a slim one.
The legal aspects of keeping a deer carcus killed out of season vary state by state. Look into the game laws in your state. In Texas you are not allowed to keep a deer killed in a collision with a vehicle (it is common practice to divide the meat between the wrecker driver, the officer making the report, and the police supervisor on the scene)and the same would be true of one you beat down in self defense. |
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As said above, you need to check your local state laws.
A deer could kick your ass, btw. |
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It's obvious you know nothing about deer (not an insult, just an observation).
First, foot stomping is done in an effort to get you to move. The deer was unsure what you were, but strongly suspected you were a threat/human. As you had remained motionless it was having trouble discerning what you were, and couldn't smell you, hence the foot stomping. They do not stomp to threaten! You will never kill a deer by kicking it in the head. Not gonna happen. Ever. ETA: If you want to kill a deer without weapons I'd suggest lasso-ing it first. |
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OK. How is this? |
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Deer can dodge an arrow going over 200 feet per second. Your kick would not be going anywhere near that fast and a healthy wild deer will dodge your kick and kick your ass.
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Bwahahaha Anyways, I probably had 100 lbs on this deer as it wasn't anything like the size of that buck. I understand what you guys are saying, but this deer didn't have any antlers and would have to of been stupid to attack me in the first place. OT: I drink Golden Grain. |
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No Antlers!!! Good Lord. You are lucky to be alive. The antlerless ones are ten times meaner than the ones with antlers. You see, the ones without antlers get picked on by the ones with antlers and get run off from the better feed areas. So for an antlerless deer to be able to survive they become extremely agressive. |
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Humans have killed deer with hand held weapons for hundreds of thousands of years, its only lately that we've become such wusses. I've seen my grandfather use a knife to "finish off" one that my uncle shot. It was truely a sight to behold, that old man going for that deer with a kinfe, while all of us are thinking "OMFG he is going to get gored".
yes, I'll admit, in his eyes I am a "wuss": one time during muzzeloader season it was me, my cousin and my grandfather walking out to our stands. We see a deer and my cousin shoots it, it falls but is still flopping around trying to get up. I shoot it and it dies. Grandpa yells:"why did you shoot it, why didn't you use your knife!?" I said "because bullets are cheap and hospital bills aren't". Like others have said check your local laws. I've read a survival book about people killing deer with knifes, it was out west somewhere (maybe on a reservation...can't remeber). So yes, it can be done. I know in PA that it is illegal to hunt with a spear. And listen to everyone else, trying to kung fu a deer is just going to get your forhead split open by a hoof to the face. |
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I would have to give this showdown to the deer, fighting anything larger than a small yearling would probably beat you into a coma and then some.
tim |
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Antlers are'nt the biggest concern anyway, it's those sharp hooves you need to worry about. |
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LOL!! Chuck Norris indeed. |
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+1, IME footstomping is followed by gettting a good view of the reason they're called white tail. If you're truly concerned, raising your arms and yelling ought to do it. Rutting bucks excluded, they can be a bit unpredictable. |
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This is halirous!! It really made me laugh those first few comments back to facestabber
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Since it was a doe, why didn't you just offer her a couple of drinks and try to get her back to her place?
–but seriously– If you're going to kill a defenseless deer out of season, you're going to have to leave a "throw down", a cheap handgun or a knife, or you'll be arrested for murder – of a female, no less! |
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Nothing has the upper hand against Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris once played Russian roulette with a fully load gun and won.
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150lb deer, you weigh 100lbs more then said deer = kick to the head not happening, unless you're 6'5''
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Deer are tough...I had to finish a deer hit by a car in off season one time and keep a heavy ball peen hammer in the vehicle and with that deer flopping around it took about six real good slams to the head to put it down.
As to the foot stomp it is a warning also to other deer in the area that possible danger is near and when it sees you the snort comes as soon as the tail goes up and it is gone.A doe in the week or so after she drops her fawn if you come up on her she will stand near and not run off when you come up but get your attention with a stomp or two then stare then walk away and stop to try and make you follow her away from the new fawn. I walk up fawns ever June and is a fine thing to see the new ones all spindly legged trying to hide in the oak leaves and have taken some nice pics of them. |
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I love that vid. As soon as I started reading this thread it came to mind. |
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finishing off a wounded deer with a knife is not the same as killing a live deer bare handed. I have ended many a deer with a knife its no big deal. However I would not tackle a live ininjured deer barehanded. |
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maybe the deer has a glass chin, and would go down with one roundhouse kick....
you could also try the Mike Tyson approach.... Bite its ear off. If you can get in close enough. |
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No I don't. Wait a minute,got me this time... |
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Lol you think that is funny take a look at this.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_7yJdxWOsc&NR=1 |
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I really, really think you could do it. Just make sure to get it on video. I want to study your technique. |
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info you may need that a friend sent to me:
I had this idea that I was going to rope a deer, put it in a stall, feed it up on corn for a couple of weeks, then kill it and eat it. The first step in this adventure was getting a deer. I figured that, since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not seem to have much fear of me when we are there (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck not 4 feet away), it should not be difficult to rope one, get up to it and toss a bag over its head (to calm it down) then hog tie it and transport it home. I filled the cattle feeder then hid down at the end with my rope. The cattle, having seen the roping thing before, stayed well back. They were not having any of it. After about 20 minutes, my deer showed up -- 3 of them. I picked out a likely looking one, stepped out from the end of the feeder, and threw my rope. The deer just stood there and stared at me. I wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end so I would have a good hold. The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could tell it was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation. I took a step towards it..it took a step away. I put a little tension on the rope and then received an education. The first thing that I learned is that, while a deer may just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, they are spurred to action when you start pulling on that rope. That deer EXPLODED. The second thing I learned is that pound for pound, a deer is a LOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range I could fight down with a rope and with some dignity. A deer-- no chance. That thing ran and bucked and twisted and pulled. There was no controlling it and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me th at having a deer on a rope was not nearly as good an idea as I had originally imagined. The only upside is that they do not have as much stamina as many other animals. A brief 10 minutes later, it was tired and not nearly as quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me when I managed to get up. It took me a few minutes to realize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out of the big gash in my head. At that point, I had lost my taste for corn-fed venison. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope. I figured if I just let it go with the rope hanging around its neck, it would likely die slow and painfully somewhere.. At the time, there was no love at all between me and that deer. At that moment, I hated the thing, and I would venture a guess that the feeling was mutual. Despite the gash in my head and the several large knots where I had cleverly arrested the deer's momentum by bracing my head against various large rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to recognize that there was a small chance that I shared some tiny amount of responsibility for the situation we were in, so I didn't want the deer to have it suffer a slow death, so I managed to get it lined bac k up in between my truck and the feeder - a little trap I had set before hand...kind of like a squeeze chute. I got it to back in there and I started moving up so I could get my rope back. Did you know that deer bite? They do! I never in a million years would have thought that a deer would bite somebody, so I was very surprised when I reached up there to grab that rope and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist. Now, when a deer bites you, it is not like being bit by a horse where they just bite you and then let go. A deer bites you and shakes its head --almost like a pit bull. They bite HARD and it hurts. The proper thing to do when a deer bites you is probably to freeze and draw back slowly. I tried screaming and shaking instead. My method was ineffective.. It seems like the deer was biting and shaking for several minutes, but it was likely only several seconds. I, being smarter than a deer (though you may be questioning that claim by now) tricked it. While I kept it busy tearing the bejesus out of my right arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose. That was when I got my final lesson in deer behavior for the day. Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear right up on their back feet and strike right about head and shoulder level, and their hooves are surprisingly sharp. I learned a long time ago that, when an animal -- like a horse --strikes at you with their hooves and you can't get away easily, the best thing to do is try to make a loud noise and make an aggressive move towards the animal. This will usually cause them to back down a bit so you can escape. This was not a horse. This was a deer, so obviously, such trickery would not work. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different strategy. I screamed like a woman and tried to turn and run. The re ason I had always been told NOT to try to turn and run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that it will hit you in the back of the head. Deer may not be so different from horses after all, besides being twice as strong and 3 times as evil, because the second I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down. Now, when a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does not immediately leave. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger has passed. What they do instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head. I finally managed to crawl under the truck and the deer went away. So now I know why when people go deer hunting they bring a rifle with a scope so that they can be somewhat equal to the Prey. |
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Dude, I get your guns. That Doe will dump a 55 gallon can of whoop ass on you. |
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I DID IT.
Taking a last cruise on the Yamaha 100 on the ranch before going back to college (25 years ago), I got into a race with a doe in a big hay field. We she side swiped me twice pretty hard I almost wrecked, the third time I was ready. I hit her as hard as she hit me. She went down, I didn,t. I spun around and dropped the bike and jumped on her and twisted her neck till it popped. My friend rode up and went Well sometimes things just happen. Took her home and cleaned her with my Gerber fighting knife. |
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I'm printing this out and carrying it with me in my wallet from now on. The next time I meet a guy who says he's too manly to cry, I'm going to make him read it because I just laughed so frigging hard I'm still wiping away tears. |
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Check with your state's wildlife authority to be sure, but generally game animals killed out of season unintentionally (or though self defense harvested.
Mac |
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I think you need to be more concerned with YOUR medical bills than keeping the deer carcass.
Have you ever hit a deer in the heart with a 30-06 and then watch it run another 200 yards? Have you ever seen them jump a 6 foot high fence? A deer is a wild craeture and will kick the shit out of a human ever time. I hit one with a muzzle laoder many years ago, it was "dead" on the ground. My buddy stepped over its back to start gutting it. Low and behold, he went for a pony ride through the woods. That doe jumped up, guts hanging out of it, and ran about 100 yards through the woods. My buddy made it about 25 yards before being thrown like a bull rider. Funny as hell, afterwards.... |
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my dad has killed a dear with a knife before. it ran through some bushes when a buddy of his scared it and he jumped its back and slits its throat.
I'd of never believed him if his cousin (mine too i guess). friend, and dead best friends son wouldn't of all told me the same story at different times.... and since my mom said he left the house that night with out a gun and came home with a dear... I'm not going to doubt it...his cousin still calls him rambo for it.... that all being said that was in Louisianna and it was back when he was the ripe age of 25 and a roughneck off shore... so I have almost no doubt he was capable of doing it... but kicking a dear in the head and killing him... not going to happen.... yep... he's coonass (my dad) |
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You can do it, not as hard as all these guys say it is. Plus after you do it, you can tell the story about the day you became a man, and have one up on everyone else. Make sure you get video though or no one will believe you. Try to grab a hind leg, it will be easier if the deer can't run away. And its perfectly legal as long as you are starving, and in danger of starving to death.
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