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Posted: 1/18/2023 2:31:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An electric fuel transfer pump makes a big difference. Nowadays, they have the battery operated plastic ones that actually work pretty well. Pouring gas from a can, can be a PITA (especially the 5 gallon NATO cans). Easier to stick the pump in the mouth, the nozzle in the device (gennie, lawnmower, whatever) and push a button. www.amazon.com/dp/B08S1JQRMB www.amazon.com/dp/B07PKS1LQF I actually have a little siphon like THIS ONE --just a pump model--that works like a freaking BOSS...but I have used it on both gas and oil to work on my machines, so I would want a dedicated siphon of some kind to keep with the generator stuff. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 2:35:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those 2.5 no spill are my go to as well for daily use. Longer term fuel storage is in Jerry cans and dispensed with a simple siphon Diesel goes in the yellow VP racing jugs. If y'all haven't used these, you are missing out. I'm just sayin. I can set this thing down above the gas cap on any machine and still fill with it. I have two five-gallon ones and one 2.5. Want a smaller one for fuel mix for the little machines. Lifting five gallons of fuel up, tipping it, activating any kind of "opener" is becoming less and less possible. I spill. These cans changed that. SureCan ETA: I don't know anything about the "safety" version of these. I need to look. ETA2: These cans show up at pawn shops sometimes. I actually have an extra five-gallon one I forgot about. Got it for $30 at a pawn shop instead of the $50 I paid for the other one at a trade show. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 2:39:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So far just once for an hour or two. It ran the fridge, freezer and furnace with no sweat. I didn't even need to fire up the hft 3500. I can't figure out what you ordered? But for me the main thing has been noise. Open frame invertor gens are still loud. Not as loud as reg gens but still much louder than closed invertors. Others here question the reliability of names like wen. I've owned generac, HFT, Champion, Ai power x2 and now wen. I've never had a failure of any kind with any of them beyond pull rope breaking. I usually keep them till around 300 hours or so. Until this last year i was powering my shop mostly with generators. I also usually have 2-4 generators on hand so i can keep mom and dad going and rotate them to keep them fresh. The single biggest problem with all small engine equipment is fuel system. And honestly isn't the fault of fuel or the equipment design. It's the user. People buy gas and put it in dirty cans leave the caps off sitting outside next to the garage mowing past it and raining into it. Yes. Agreed on the user errors. And I am at fault. Not for leaving the gas can caps off, but for not draining the carbs before a long period of storage. Some equipment is worse for gumming up than other, I have observed. I ordered This Now I have to go make a place in the garage for it, before the rain starts. 
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:10:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If y'all haven't used these, you are missing out. I'm just sayin. I can set this thing down above the gas cap on any machine and still fill with it. I have two five-gallon ones and one 2.5. Want a smaller one for fuel mix for the little machines. Lifting five gallons of fuel up, tipping it, activating any kind of "opener" is becoming less and less possible. I spill. These cans changed that. SureCan ETA: I don't know anything about the "safety" version of these. I need to look. ETA2: These cans show up at pawn shops sometimes. I actually have an extra five-gallon one I forgot about. Got it for $30 at a pawn shop instead of the $50 I paid for the other one at a trade show. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Those 2.5 no spill are my go to as well for daily use. Longer term fuel storage is in Jerry cans and dispensed with a simple siphon Diesel goes in the yellow VP racing jugs. If y'all haven't used these, you are missing out. I'm just sayin. I can set this thing down above the gas cap on any machine and still fill with it. I have two five-gallon ones and one 2.5. Want a smaller one for fuel mix for the little machines. Lifting five gallons of fuel up, tipping it, activating any kind of "opener" is becoming less and less possible. I spill. These cans changed that. SureCan ETA: I don't know anything about the "safety" version of these. I need to look. ETA2: These cans show up at pawn shops sometimes. I actually have an extra five-gallon one I forgot about. Got it for $30 at a pawn shop instead of the $50 I paid for the other one at a trade show. Definitely. I have a 5 gallon SureCan that's 5-6 years old. Works great, and unlike the stupid cans (Blitz?) at Walmart, the garage doesn't stink of gas fumes even in the Summer (but the steel Wavian NATO cans are even better for storage. Left those filled, in a black SUV in the summer sun all day. Not even a whiff of fuel). Much easier to use than cans you have to tilt. Good warranty too. Got one for the neighbor. It began leaking after a year(?). He contacted them and asked if they sold repair kits/seals. They shipped him a whole new can. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:49:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a couple of five-gallon plastic cans that i was gonna toss. I should keep those and find lids for them. (not the easiest thing to source now, thanks to the lovely . https://ezpourspout.com/ |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 12:19:40 PM EDT
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Saw a huge enclosed inverter gen at SHOT yesterday evening, wheels, easy to handle, tri-fuel no less, but no electric start. You could parallel two of em, think they cleared 5000W on gas.
ETA: Oh, and 240VAC natively too. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 4:49:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/19/2023 5:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWow! What brand was it? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 5:02:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Saw a huge enclosed inverter gen at SHOT yesterday evening, wheels, easy to handle, tri-fuel no less, but no electric start. You could parallel two of em, think they cleared 5000W on gas. ETA: Oh, and 240VAC natively too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Saw a huge enclosed inverter gen at SHOT yesterday evening, wheels, easy to handle, tri-fuel no less, but no electric start. You could parallel two of em, think they cleared 5000W on gas. ETA: Oh, and 240VAC natively too. I'm a little unclear about how they are doing 240/120 with inverters and how it works with power capacity etc. I know on a traditional generator you only get half the wattage on 120 on each side. If there's a good technical/engineering type there, ask them how the power handling works on their inverter between 240 and 120 loads. Ie, if connected to house via the 240/120 plug, and 4000 watts of load is on one side of the 240 and 1000 watts of load on the other side (assuming no 240 load), would it work? Quoted: Wow! What brand was it? Has Firman (logo) plug covers, so i'm guessing (very sure) it's Firman. I have a Firman 2000 inverter. Must be a new model, it's not on their website. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 5:05:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOhhh! Tractor supply has them! I saw somebody mention dirty cans. How do y'all clean your cans? The object, of course, would be as little fuel spillage as possible while cleaning. I don't have a good way. My chemicals (If I overestimate what I will need) get sprayed on my yard which is always in need, so I don't have to dump anything. But gas? I don't have a good way to deal with that. I know the fumes evaporate quickly but I hate putting it on the ground anywhere. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 5:12:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do y'all clean your cans? Put about 1/2 gallon of E85 in there and slosh it around. Disposal is generally to dump it on a brush pile or big pile of whatever trash is going to get burned and set it on fire. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 5:14:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Put about 1/2 gallon of E85 in there and slosh it around. Disposal is generally to dump it on a brush pile or big pile of whatever trash is going to get burned and set it on fire. I should probably take one smaller can I hate and label it TRASH GAS or something....and get a lid for it. I have like five cans with no lids. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 5:15:39 PM EDT
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Generator is here.
Package is more compact than I expected. I pulled out the destructions and am about to begin reading. Looks like I have to put the wheels and handle on. It's warm enough to do this today but man, the wind is screaming bloody murder out there. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 6:10:07 PM EDT
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Do not expose to rain or use in damp locations.
Okay yeah right.  Reading through the manual. Cuz that's what I do. 
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Posted: 1/19/2023 6:16:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: man, the wind is screaming bloody murder out there. Understand completely, we just lost a barn door
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Posted: 1/19/2023 6:25:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Understand completely, we just lost a barn door Oh no!!! We lost a garage/shed door to the wind last year. Still don't have it back up properly. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:57:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do not expose to rain or use in damp locations. Okay yeah right. Reading through the manual. Cuz that's what I do. I may or may not have ran my generators outside in pouring rain without ill effects
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Posted: 1/19/2023 9:14:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure it isn't great to leave them outside. I know the sun cracks rubber stuff. I may or may not have ran my generators outside in pouring rain without ill effects I mean I'm just sayin. It's for powering your house in STORMS AND SHIT... Yes I will likely buy a little tent for it. Once I recover from dropping almost a thousand dollars on this thingy. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 2:35:22 PM EDT
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Check with your power company as well, you may be eligible for a rebate. I know Edison offers discounts to us Southern California'rs for purchasing an approved generator since we are in a wildfire zone. They may have a program out in your neck of the woods for something like that.
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Posted: 2/5/2023 6:52:25 PM EDT
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Bumping to keep from archiving as I get this thing up and running.
Bought two yellow jacket 12/3 cords from Sam's just in case, right before this last ice storm. The cords are only 15 A though. Seems like I would need 20 A cords for the fridge or even space heaters. Those things pull some juice. Ended up not needing the generator, so that gives me a bit more time to get my ducks in a row. Will get photos inside the outer breaker panel soon. I got some new info about that breaker setup. HVAC guy (Hal) says the unit outside only needs the 30 amp breaker. He thinks the 100 Amp breaker down there with the 30 is one they stuck in to fill the hole. This makes sense, since when we wired the house, we put in the 200, and I had the old 100 on hand. I have some small niggle of memory that I had them just stick the 100 in there for "later" when I wired an outbuilding. I never did wire an outbuilding, so there it sits, filling a hole and confusing the hell out of everyone.  Pics to come of under the panel front once the weather allows me to take that panel cover off. |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 9:15:57 AM EDT
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Well that was great news about the 100a
Now you just need an interlock plate and an inlet wired in. You could drop the 100 to whatever amperage the inlet plug is rated at. |
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Posted: 2/6/2023 1:49:16 PM EDT
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For generators (and other small engines) if you have a fuel station nearby that has no-alcohol gasoline, it would be a good idea to put that in your gas cans. There's a website that helps locate stations: https://www.pure-gas.org/. If you have a lake/marina/watercraft area nearby there will generally be someone that has no-alcohol gas.
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Posted: 2/8/2023 9:11:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For generators (and other small engines) if you have a fuel station nearby that has no-alcohol gasoline, it would be a good idea to put that in your gas cans. There's a website that helps locate stations: https://www.pure-gas.org/. If you have a lake/marina/watercraft area nearby there will generally be someone that has no-alcohol gas. I do have that. I run non-ethanol gas in all of my small equipment. I'm kind of a bitch about it. Everyone says, "if you're using it, in season, it doesn't matter." But I don't care. As long as I can afford to run the real gas, I will. Now....for the mower I don't. I go through too much. When I have the extra $$ to put that non-ethanol gas in my old truck, it just purrs going down the road. |
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Posted: 2/8/2023 9:14:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well that was great news about the 100a Now you just need an interlock plate and an inlet wired in. You could drop the 100 to whatever amperage the inlet plug is rated at. I think it's 30 coming out of the generator, right? I'm sure I read that, but I've slept since then.
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Posted: 2/8/2023 10:23:19 PM EDT
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I would do 50 amp breaker/wiring/plug with the size of generator that you have.
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Posted: 2/8/2023 10:27:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would do 50 amp breaker/wiring/plug with the size of generator that you have. So can I have a 50 on the house and a 30 on the generator and be okay? Do I have to buy a special cord with those two plugs? (Sorry if this is a dumb question. I bought this thing, and have had ZERO time to do anything except grab extension cords and gas, and throw those in the shed with the generator. I don't even have the wheels on it yet.
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Posted: 2/12/2023 2:04:29 AM EDT
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I haven't read the entire thread but I figured I would post anyway.
I just ordered a Westinghouse dual fuel 4500 inverter generator and a reliance 30 amp 10 circuit transfer switch. Keep in mind I already own a dual fuel Duromax 13000 and a 250 gal propane tank. Ive come to realize that smaller more efficient is better and that don't like dirty power. Next I will buy a 240v inverter generator and another switch for my 240 stuff like AC |
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Posted: 3/17/2023 11:35:58 PM EDT
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Bumping cuz I still have to ask questions about the switch thingy.
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Posted: 3/18/2023 12:24:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bumping cuz I still have to ask questions about the switch thingy. Switch thingy? |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 1:13:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Switch thingy? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bumping cuz I still have to ask questions about the switch thingy. Switch thingy? Generator interlock. |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 7:55:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bumping cuz I still have to ask questions about the switch thingy. https://interlockkit.com/ I know nothing of this brand. Just an easy link I found |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 5:24:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Generator interlock. Yes.
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Posted: 5/16/2023 6:42:28 PM EDT
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Bumping for pics under the cover which I do not have yet.
Busy season for lawn & landscape. |
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