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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:03:51 AM EDT
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A lot of the arrogance of CA politicans is due to the assumption that the economy is robust enough to adapt to new rules and new tax burdens. They never anticipated that there would be a breaking point, and people would leave...
CA is indeed an awesome place, but that can only carry you so far... |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:06:18 AM EDT
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As goes Kalifornication, so goes the nation.
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:06:23 AM EDT
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New Years Eve 2009 ....
Emergency Session of the Calif. Legislature....pass an emergency tax increase...10% across the board and the Governor is there to sign it immediately. Do you REALLY think they will give it back once they get it in their hands? |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:07:56 AM EDT
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Quoted: And here, ladies and gentlemen, is what is so horrifically fucking Orwellian about withholding schemes. The government has direct access to your paycheck...and as such, what's to stop them from simply taking more money when they want it, tax or no? Answer: Nothing. Here's hoping that somebody sues their ass and that a court somewhere in that area with some common sense whaps the Cali officials on the nose with a newspaper and says "No! Bad politician! No donut!" Seriously, folks....if this kind of thing doesn't scare the living shit out of you then you're asleep. This is going beyond the power to tax...this is the equivalent of government officials coming to your house and taking your car at gunpoint. "We'll bring it back when we're done with it." The mindset that actually lets a politician say "Why don't we just take more from withholding in people's paychecks?" is so fucking scary I can't even put it into words. THIS is what liberalism buys us...the absolute abolition of all property rights. Everything you have belongs to the government and if you're lucky they'll let you have some of it when they are done taking care of their campaign promises. This ought to lead to a taxpayer revolt that would make Prop. 13 look like a pre-school game of duck duck goose. People ought to be melting the phone lines to the governor's office and to the legislators asking them where the fuck did they get the right to simply confiscate people's property without compensation...and they should use those words. "Where the fuck do you get off, Arnie?" Very well said. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:12:54 AM EDT
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Yea, California is definitely better than Texas. Yeah, Texas sucks. Everyone should just stay away. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:14:44 AM EDT
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here's a thought, how about a 10% decrease in the fucking money it gives to the parasites? Who is John Galt? TXL This is always my thought to the people who neither row or push the boat. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:16:35 AM EDT
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I'd hate to be someone who does payroll work today. Those people will be mobbed by employees filing forms to increase their withholding exemptions. Sad to say, but most workers probably aren't paying attention to the news enough to notice until they get their next paycheck during the next week or so. Then the S is going to HTF in the HR/payroll departments. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:17:12 AM EDT
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State FAIL
I'm glad us other states have a brilliant example of failed sums of legislation. It's like having a case study. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:19:27 AM EDT
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yeah, but I can surf in janury, pack up and go snowboarding to the mountains and be back at my bev hills house to bbq in 80 degree weather 
all while wearing shorts People keep telling me how great it is out there. Sounds AWESOME, everyone should stay there and surf. Really. TXL |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:22:59 AM EDT
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California America is being run into the ground because of the Liberals with their socialist programs. FTFY, Cali is just leading the way downhill. TX: |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:23:28 AM EDT
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People ought to be hanging politicians by now. This is actually no longer funny. It's spot on. TXL |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:24:50 AM EDT
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when you put the fleas and ticks before the dog, this is where you end up.
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:25:49 AM EDT
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Wait till the re-election period. The liptards will be fondleing there hope and change.
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:26:34 AM EDT
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People ought to be hanging politicians by now. Why? The electorate voted for them knowing what they'd do or just stayed home on election day. Its not the pols (mostly anyway) that are at fault. Its the cosmically stupid/lazy electorate! |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:31:02 AM EDT
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I'd hate to be someone who does payroll work today. Those people will be mobbed by employees filing forms to increase their withholding exemptions. More predictable unintended consequences. Quoted:
Why did they stop at 10%? They probably understand at some level that the harder they push people for free loans, the more of us will bother increasing our withholding exemptions. Read this thread. Listen to talk radio. Where you formerly had a few "wackjobs" talking about "voting from the rooftops", you now have very legitimate speculation about "when the next American Revolution will start". Not IF, WHEN. They stopped at 10% because they are testing the waters. How much will the people tolerate before enough of them them say enough is enough? We are getting VERY close to finding out. Closer I think than most politicians are comfortable with. Yet they keep doing what they have always done because they are too prideful and too swayed by "PC" to change course and do the right the thing. Their actions will bring about a reaction that will exact a terrible price from both sides. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:33:03 AM EDT
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California is one place where a tax on everything sold there would make sense. Since the illegals which make up almost 10% of their southern population and pay no taxes. So put a 15% tax on everything. Yup. Replace income and property tax with a 15% sales tax. In other news, this is what happens when you combine a balanced budget requirement with an inability to make buget cuts via simple majority and the ability to put unfunded government programs directly on ballots. California's woes are a direct result of California's voters...thus, I feel little sympathy. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:47:12 AM EDT
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here's a thought, how about a 10% decrease in the fucking money it gives to the parasites? Who is John Galt? TXL Make it 20% |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 6:51:33 AM EDT
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Kinda like a Social Security program.......we pay in and get our money back later. I see no problem with that.
You will get your money back later....After they raise taxes to pay you back! 
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:04:32 AM EDT
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And yet they fail to see that EVERY time they do this, those that don't want a socialist .gov(you know..business owners, etc) leave to never come back.
Let's see what happens when their vaunted "Silicon valley" moves out of the state, never to return. When you have a state full of leeches and illegals..let see what the tax rates are. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:25:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: Cali has now moved from punishing its own government employees to stealing from everyone in the state (everyone that isn't on welfare). I don't even know what to say or where to begin. Maybe 'green shoots'! lol... WTF? How is Kali punishing overpaid usless union state workers. The fucks that won't take a pay cut, just demand raises no matter how shitty the economy. Fuck them all in the ass with a rusty fucking knife. The state can't lay most of them off, what the fuck kind of job can a useless person find when they currently are paid $20 an hour to process form #7842 at the DMV? |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:27:19 AM EDT
[#21]
Double tap
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:31:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'd hate to be someone who does payroll work today. Those people will be mobbed by employees filing forms to increase their withholding exemptions. More predictable unintended consequences. Not my payroll lady. She told me it was going to be around $4 a week, and I said I just wanted to change it out of principle, that I could care less about the money. She already had a big ass stack of W-4's already printed out, and she handed me one with a smile. FUCK California and double FUCK YOU Arnold. Worst fucking Governor ever, even worse than Gay Davis! |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:34:15 AM EDT
[#23]
It's all the government's money anyway. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:37:18 AM EDT
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Money seized from the taxpayers to support the freeloading invaders. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:39:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: New Years Eve 2009 .... Emergency Session of the Calif. Legislature....pass an emergency tax increase...10% across the board and the Governor is there to sign it immediately. Do you REALLY think they will give it back once they get it in their hands? Here's my prediction: They'll give it back over a 5 year period - as tax-credits for switching to green energy sources. If you want any of your money back, you'll be wise to do what Gov't "suggests" you do. If you don't, you won't get it back. But hey, it's a free country - your choice. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:44:23 AM EDT
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Quoted:
And here, ladies and gentlemen, is what is so horrifically fucking Orwellian about withholding schemes. The government has direct access to your paycheck...and as such, what's to stop them from simply taking more money when they want it, tax or no? Answer: Nothing. Here's hoping that somebody sues their ass and that a court somewhere in that area with some common sense whaps the Cali officials on the nose with a newspaper and says "No! Bad politician! No donut!" Seriously, folks....if this kind of thing doesn't scare the living shit out of you then you're asleep. This is going beyond the power to tax...this is the equivalent of government officials coming to your house and taking your car at gunpoint. "We'll bring it back when we're done with it." The mindset that actually lets a politician say "Why don't we just take more from withholding in people's paychecks?" is so fucking scary I can't even put it into words. THIS is what liberalism buys us...the absolute abolition of all property rights. Everything you have belongs to the government and if you're lucky they'll let you have some of it when they are done taking care of their campaign promises. This ought to lead to a taxpayer revolt that would make Prop. 13 look like a pre-school game of duck duck goose. People ought to be melting the phone lines to the governor's office and to the legislators asking them where the fuck did they get the right to simply confiscate people's property without compensation...and they should use those words. "Where the fuck do you get off, Arnie?" Great post! |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:47:35 AM EDT
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New Years Eve 2009 .... Emergency Session of the Calif. Legislature....pass an emergency tax increase...10% across the board and the Governor is there to sign it immediately. Do you REALLY think they will give it back once they get it in their hands? Here's my prediction: They'll give it back over a 5 year period - as tax-credits for switching to green energy sources. If you want any of your money back, you'll be wise to do what Gov't "suggests" you do. If you don't, you won't get it back. But hey, it's a free country - your choice. Here's my prediction: They will raise taxes to pay you back 
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Posted: 11/3/2009 7:55:16 AM EDT
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New Years Eve 2009 .... Emergency Session of the Calif. Legislature....pass an emergency tax increase...10% across the board and the Governor is there to sign it immediately. Do you REALLY think they will give it back once they get it in their hands? Here's my prediction: They'll give it back over a 5 year period - as tax-credits for switching to green energy sources. If you want any of your money back, you'll be wise to do what Gov't "suggests" you do. If you don't, you won't get it back. But hey, it's a free country - your choice. This is why suits need to be filed and filed right the fuck now. Government is just TAKING, without legal authorization or compensation, money out of people's checks. That is a government taking action and it grants standing to sue in at least federal court over the practice. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 8:08:18 AM EDT
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Pretty soon, they'll have to tax the remaining people 100% just to live there
When the taxes do reach 100% can we call it communism then? That's racist. 
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Posted: 11/3/2009 9:14:46 AM EDT
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People ought to be hanging politicians by now. Why? The electorate voted for them knowing what they'd do or just stayed home on election day. Its not the pols (mostly anyway) that are at fault. Its the cosmically stupid/lazy electorate! This is the correct assessment. In the US, our politicians operate in full view of the press & public, although they can be sneaky every now and then with timing. An electorate that doesn't give a shit, or one that doesn't believe that they are a stakeholder in a sustainable government is the problem. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 9:30:39 AM EDT
[#31]
You'll get the money back eventually.
Sure they will. 
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Posted: 11/3/2009 9:30:44 AM EDT
[#32]
Is there anyone who is still has a job in Calif?
This is just going to hasten the exit of talented, honest, hardworking people and leave a cesspool of Obama'ites on the left coast. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 9:35:02 AM EDT
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What was that thread, about how Cali was better than Texas, that they'll make it through this recession without whining?
So they're not whiners, they're thieves. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 9:47:55 AM EDT
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What is left of the middle class is pretty much bled out, they will have to look elsewhere soon. I'm sure they will be very creative of new ways to steal.
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Posted: 11/3/2009 9:58:00 AM EDT
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damn i freakin fuming right now and im on the opposite side of the country 
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:09:05 AM EDT
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damn i freakin fuming right now and im on the opposite side of the country
+1 |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:12:27 AM EDT
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Somehow, someway, they will still end up collecting less tax revenue by doing this. Right before the christmas retail season and in the largest economy in America. This could be the straw that broke the camel's back. That sorta crossed my mind, as well. It's a really stupid, stupid move. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:15:54 AM EDT
[#38]
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yeah, but I can surf in janury, pack up and go snowboarding to the mountains and be back at my bev hills house to bbq in 80 degree weather
all while wearing shorts One of our fly in mechanics for the race team used to tell me this almost verbatim anytime I voiced my dislike for California. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:27:02 AM EDT
[#39]
What happened to that deal they had last year where they were giving out IOUs for tax refunds? Did those people eventually get their money?
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:28:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: Agreed...I'm sitting here reading this and all the flippant replies (which, don't get me wrong, I appreciate them) but I'm sitting here thinking, This is THE most INSANE thing that I've heard of and their answer is to claim more dependents?Quoted: And here, ladies and gentlemen, is what is so horrifically fucking Orwellian about withholding schemes. The government has direct access to your paycheck...and as such, what's to stop them from simply taking more money when they want it, tax or no? Answer: Nothing. Here's hoping that somebody sues their ass and that a court somewhere in that area with some common sense whaps the Cali officials on the nose with a newspaper and says "No! Bad politician! No donut!" Seriously, folks....if this kind of thing doesn't scare the living shit out of you then you're asleep. This is going beyond the power to tax...this is the equivalent of government officials coming to your house and taking your car at gunpoint. "We'll bring it back when we're done with it." The mindset that actually lets a politician say "Why don't we just take more from withholding in people's paychecks?" is so fucking scary I can't even put it into words. THIS is what liberalism buys us...the absolute abolition of all property rights. Everything you have belongs to the government and if you're lucky they'll let you have some of it when they are done taking care of their campaign promises. This ought to lead to a taxpayer revolt that would make Prop. 13 look like a pre-school game of duck duck goose. People ought to be melting the phone lines to the governor's office and to the legislators asking them where the fuck did they get the right to simply confiscate people's property without compensation...and they should use those words. "Where the fuck do you get off, Arnie?" Very well said.  Look, if people do that, then the revenue isn't generated. If it isn't, the fed is gonna bail them out. Then WE will have the Fed's little "surcharge" to deal with......... for Cali and every other state in the crapper. This is scary. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:33:32 AM EDT
[#41]
It might not be fo time, but it sure as heck would be civil disobedience/John Galt time. Is anyone mounting a serious challenge to their right and ability to carry this theft out?
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:39:00 AM EDT
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People ought to be hanging politicians by now. Why? The electorate voted for them knowing what they'd do or just stayed home on election day. Its not the pols (mostly anyway) that are at fault. Its the cosmically stupid/lazy electorate! This is the correct assessment. In the US, our politicians operate in full view of the press & public, although they can be sneaky every now and then with timing. An electorate that doesn't give a shit, or one that doesn't believe that they are a stakeholder in a sustainable government is the problem. The electorate does have a stake, and increasingly that stake involves taking more from 'them' to get more for me. It's wonderful in it's ability to keep those who do the taking in power as those they hand gifts out to begin to outnumber those being raped. That doesn't change my sentiment in the least. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:41:14 AM EDT
[#43]
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Money seized from the taxpayers to support the freeloading invaders. +1 |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:43:57 AM EDT
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Time to remind everyone what Lady Margaret Thatcher said about this:
"Margaret Thatcher, in a television interview for Thames TV This Week on February 5, 1976. Prime Minister Thatcher said, "...and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them." It has been popularly paraphrased in various forms: "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]." "The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." "Eventually, socialists run out of other peoples' money [to spend]." Has Kommiefornia reached that magic tipping point of less that half of the populace contributing to the tax rolls and over half on the take? |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:46:21 AM EDT
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here's a thought, how about a 10% decrease in the fucking money it gives to the parasites? Who is John Galt? TXL Can't do that...the parasites vote. |
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:48:23 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a thread earlier on which state was better komifornia or Texas......well this thread answers that question hands down....
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Posted: 11/3/2009 10:49:49 AM EDT
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Wasn't it not too long ago Kalifornicators voted down any tax increases?
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Posted: 11/3/2009 11:05:39 AM EDT
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The Calif legislature spends way too much time doing "feel good," legislataton such as the ammo registration etc. while the state is "going to hell in a hand basket." The legislature is has run the Calif ed(K-14, Univ CA, & Cal St Univ) system into the ground. Calif is un-governable because of the stupid legislature and not because of interference by the people initiated laws.
Brilliantly summarized by the euphemism, "Nero fiddled while Rome burned."(BTW: there no such thing as a fiddle during Nero's time . Nero was probably play a lyre).
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Posted: 11/3/2009 5:25:29 PM EDT
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Bumping...because this shit has potential to go countrywide: either state by state or by the Fed, IMHO.
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Posted: 11/3/2009 5:26:55 PM EDT
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Just think, when it comes to refunds, you get taxed on that by both the IRS and California State Tax Franchise Board. Oh what joy! PHUCK California!
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