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Posted: 6/5/2008 9:18:14 AM EDT
If it is the least bit negative, yet true, someone is whining because someones little feelings may be hurt. That is one of the things that is wrong with the country . To many people are so PC and sit with blinders on, so now they can't even see the forest for the trees. Go ahead and knock me, I'm just a cracker anyway..... and we know it doesn't matter if you are a cracker....
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I believe most people are reluctant to account for negative dramatic changes amongst individuals by looking to race alone. Culture seems to be more coherent.
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The kind published by The New Century Foundation? |
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If your facts are inflammatory or offensive towards any race other than whites (even if it's true), people get bent, even white people.
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Site staff must protect ar15's "reputation" it has become a cash cow that must be protected. You cannot discuss facts that may make ar15.com look bad to someone overly sensitive and PC, so , staff and mods have become overly sensitive and pc in their duties to prevent this.
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Because if the truth offends someone it should be covered up to protect their feelings.
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Personally, I don't get offended if anyone says anything about me.
That doesn't mean I wouldn't get pissed at someone if they said or did something offensive to anyone in my family. |
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You found the one flawed post in 7 pages, congrats |
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+1 Just like my white Grandmother... |
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Don't like it, leave... |
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Is she a typical white person? |
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Just checking in to see if any examples of the kinds of facts the OP is referring to have been posted.
No facts here yet. |
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Thanks, not easy to do while simultaneously waxing the Staff Ferrari and boy did I have to oppress a lot of racially proud white men to earn that in my Staff bonus package. Gotta run, have a lunch date with Farrakhan! |
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White guilt.
Basically, if you point out that predominantly black or Hispanic areas tend to have higher crime rates than predominantly white areas, they freak out. They assume you're trying to assign a cause, when instead you're simply making an observation (and it's not exactly groundbreaking news, either). |
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I can't dance worth shit, and I attribute it to being Polish-American.
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Oh but THEY ARE FACTS,,,, we are just not allowed to say they are facts, we need to mask them as something else....because someone's feelings may get hurt. |
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Me too, and I also suck at basketball |
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Prove it. |
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Same with SAT scores. |
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HONKY ! |
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I think the OP is referring to the crime statistics that state most crime is committed by Blacks and Hispanics. Many people are quick to post the racist opossum after those statistics are mentioned. |
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Reality is not politically correct.
Plain and simple. ETA...............did someone say opossum? |
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Because you are attributing those facts to race alone and not any other factors.
Find those same "facts" in eastern europe and see they have nothing to do with race. |
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Go look at you crime statistics, School Test Scores, Unemployment Rates, Rates of Those Collecting Welfare compared to the number of people of the same race in the country. |
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well if that's not the cause, what's the purpose of that observation? |
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Human Rights Watch (hardly a right wing outfit) on race vs. incarceration: www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/race/pdf/table1.pdf USDOJ on race vs. victims www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_v.htm#race USDOJ on race vs. victims & offenders www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm FBI UCR on race www.fbi.gov/ucr/addpubs.htm PDF of entire FBI report There's plenty of data out there, but it can be used & misused by groups on all sides. |
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The data referred to above are facts.
The question is why do they exist? Race? Poverty? Broken families? Racism of authorities? Test development? Etc, etc. But when you're not allowed to mention the facts, you'll never solve a problem. |
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No one is doing anything of the sort. Pointing out the obvious is not the same as assigning a cause. In this country, predominantly white areas tend to have less crime than predominantly black or Hispanic areas. So, what? In other news, the sky is blue. The reasons are complex, and you could probably write a book on it. But the correlation is no less valid. I really don't understand why people get their panties in a bunch over this stuff. |
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You do realize that you have to take in account population size. Blacks only make up 15- 20% of the population. |
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They are brainwashed by society to discount facts that might hurt someone's feelings so when such data is presented it short-circuits their programming.
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Also if the data is positive, it's more easily accepted, and most people will freely offer explanations.
"Asians do better in school" "Blacks dominate the NFL" etc... |
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And HOW exxactly are you not "allowed" to post that on ar15.com I see crime statistics related to race posted on ar15.com all the time. Based on FBI statistics, it is VERY clear that there are higher rates of crime in the black population than in the white population. However, if instead of posting FBI or .gov stats, people are posting stats provided by white supremacist organizations, then that might be a small problem. See the difference? |
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You do realize that whoever wrote this compared it with population size given by Census. |
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It's interesting (at least to me). |
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Thanks Merrell. You've made a good point.
Who has a problem with those facts? I don't. |
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You are right. but there are other places than arfcom that the same data is used to for the purposes i stated. Maybe im just more cynical but i assume because arfcom is stricter that the only reason you are not seeing it in the open |
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I looked over it, and to me a relatively small population contribute equally in crime than a population 10 times larger. So to me I read it as blacks commit more crimes than whites for as few as their are. Although overall whites do commit more crimes than blacks because whites are vastly more populated. The who ratio thing I guess. Maybe I need to go back to statistics cause I ain't following it correctly .... |
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Unfortunately I can't reply back to you
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Instead of cut & pasting data someone else found, examine which data they are posting. Data can be spun a number of different ways, and the objective way to look at it is rates (typically per 100,000 people in this field) Total numbers will always be biased by who comprises a larger chunk of the population. Here is the Excel file comparing RATES for different crimes: Race-specific arrest rates, United States—Part I and II Offenses Straight from the FBI. In terms of practical application, lowering one's risk exposure includes finding an area with a lower rate of crime, and a lower total population. Increasing either raises risk. |
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well i guess that's part of what the problem may be. if there is a discussion on the cause of a particular phenomenon, most people are going to assume that any comments, or facts, are going to be related to, if not directly implied as, the cause. eta an example: if there's a discussion on global warming, and i say "lots of cars get shitty gas mileage" i'd be willing to bet that it would be inferred that i believe that air pollution is contributing to global warming. |
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I just don't understand how the truth can be offensive. If you claim to be offended by a fact, you're really just looking for a reason to start shit. |
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It would be interesting to see stats on crime vs. lack of a father in the home (across any race)
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Did you check out the footnotes of that article? |
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