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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:11:47 PM EDT
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Because, they think they know better than you.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:14:20 PM EDT
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Well...besides that weak argument. Don't mean to stomp on your answer. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:14:24 PM EDT
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I find it interesting that the people who are claiming that the Feds should control your life right up to, and including, the end are "conservatives" who claim to be interested in getting government out of people's lives.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:15:03 PM EDT
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Funny how they worry about adults, but it doesn't seem to bother them that millions of babies are killed that can't choose.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:21:31 PM EDT
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They don't, they object to you letting someone ELSE do it for you. If YOU want to do it, it ain't all that darn hard. And quite frankly, since they started this in, I believe, Sweden, the Doc or family can make that decision to pop you off now. Good riddance to $$$$$ of treatment.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:24:31 PM EDT
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Just Scalia, Thomas and Roberts, apparently.  (..or perhaps I misunderstood the SCOTUS ruling - I'm certianly not a law expert  )
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:25:27 PM EDT
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Well if I choose to end it because of an illness that's terminal and very painful, why should the Doc be punished for giving me the means to do it. Hell I wouldn't want to use one of my bang sticks. That would make one hell of a mess for some one else to clean up. ETA: My parents and brothers know that if I end up a tomato with proof from the medical examinations they can pull the plug. Or trip over it on the way out the door. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:25:48 PM EDT
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Because suicide is a sin. Same reason I can't buy alcohol on Sunday. Separation of church and state, my ass.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:27:42 PM EDT
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You can do it outside. But it would also add another to the antis' BS "gun deaths" stats. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:30:45 PM EDT
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Yes - in Scandinavia, we kill old people as soon as they get annoying or inconvenient.  Are you serious??
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:31:30 PM EDT
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Committing suicide by your own action is one thing. Legally allowing another to kill you is a totally different beast. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:33:58 PM EDT
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I can't remember exactly which country it was, but I thought it was Sweden, maybe it was Holland on second thought, but I am serious. The family can make the determination and so can the Dr. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:34:14 PM EDT
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I though the Oregon law was about allowing doctors to give you the drugs. I'm not sure I see the precise line between a doctor giving me a bottle of pills, that I then swallow, or injecting an overdose of morphine into my vein at my direction. I mean, I understand the physical distinction, obviously, but I'm not sure I see the meanigful one. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 7:40:34 PM EDT
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i thought they hooked you up to an IV with the deadly chemicals, then the patient had to push the button to release the fluid, so it was actually the patient who was killing him/herself. the doctor just provided the means to do it.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:38:01 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:41:03 PM EDT
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You do recognize that all laws are derived from the religion, right? |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:42:47 PM EDT
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The only question a Federal court should decide is if the Federal Government (of which the Supreme Court is a part) has any say in the matter.
I beleive assissted suicide falls neatly under the heading of "reserved Police Power of the States." |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:43:19 PM EDT
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seatbelt laws? turn signal laws? smoking in public laws(damn californians)? banning firearms based upon asthetics? not in the bible or koran last I heard |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:45:01 PM EDT
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What the fuck are you talking about? I buy alcohol every Sunday. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:48:15 PM EDT
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Assisted suicide gets out of hand when 13 year old kids want to die because their girlfriend dumped them, when Joe says, "My wife told me she wanted to commit suicide so I shot her", when mentally unstable people feel they must die, etc.
I wish this much time and energy was devoted to life. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:49:05 PM EDT
[#21]
can't do it in CO. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:49:57 PM EDT
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DUh.  Because you're obviously a stupid peasant who can't think for yourself. Luckily the government is here to protect you from yourself.Like most everything these days...it's about control. (But today they apparently got one right. Whodathunkit?)
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:50:41 PM EDT
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Just go rent a Viper in Vegas, and have one hell of a last drive.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:51:24 PM EDT
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That's why the Oregon law requires: (A) physicians to certify that the patient only has 6 months or less to live - i.e. "terminal" (B) physicians to certify that the patient is in control of the mental faculties Multiple physicians have to be invovled and have to make those determinations. - teenagers wanting to kill themselves don't fall under the law - mentally unstable people don't fall under the law - people choosing to "assist" someone to die on their own don't fall under the law |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:53:15 PM EDT
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wtf does this have to do with killing babies??? |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:55:22 PM EDT
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I just figured they don't really care... but no one wants to go on record as saying its cool... they do have to get re-elected you know..
kissing babies gets you elected .. killing babies gets you elected ... leting an old man/woman die... well thats just mean. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:55:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Underage kids are not full citizens. They cannot give their consent to sex and cannot vote. Why should this be any different? |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:55:54 PM EDT
[#28]
LOL That's the funnies thing I've read all year! |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 8:57:18 PM EDT
[#29]
+1 |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:01:05 PM EDT
[#30]
You know, that was kind of an annoying statement. How old are you again? 
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:04:39 PM EDT
[#31]
Suicide laws are directly derived from the bible. The others you cherry picked have peripheral association with religious issues: seatbelt, turn signal, even smoking are safety issues (do unto your brother...). Anything against firearms: thou shall not kill (actually murder). ETA: Have any of you guys taken any admin of justice classes? Or do you simply argue issues that you have no education in? |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:10:49 PM EDT
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I've learned on arfcom that it is MUCH easier to argue if I know nothing of what I am talking about, and instead just assume that what I want to believe must be correct. Saves a lot of time. 
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:17:25 PM EDT
[#33]
Ten Commandments sculpture at SCOTUS.
  Coincidence? I think not. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:21:25 PM EDT
[#34]
Why is the greatest commandment of the Bible not codified in US law? |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:23:41 PM EDT
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I'm not a religious scholar, but my belief is that any sin is seen as equally bad by God. What do you consider to be the greatest commandment? |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:29:18 PM EDT
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You claim that all laws are derived from the biblical commandments yet you don't know those commandments? The greatest commandment according to Jesus is "Love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, soul, mind, strength, etc..." which is just a rephrasal of "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." So who is the one making statements based on incomplete knowledge? eta: = take this in a constructive manner.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:31:42 PM EDT
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It really has to do with the fixation on death as a solution to problems. There is a document we used to use a long time ago that established our government for several reasons including to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. I don't see how government promoted abortion and suicide fits in here. Do you? |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:34:47 PM EDT
[#38]
Don't worry, in time all of these things will be legal and accepted. The slippery slope has been stepped on again and again. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:37:05 PM EDT
[#39]
As I said, I'm not a religious scholar. I knew what you were referring to. Since you seem a bit limited, I'll make this simple: I did not say that all of the Ten Commandments had been codified into US law. As you should know, the First Amendment precludes government from establishing religion. So, in light of that, the Founding Fathers would be hard pressed to propose such a law. I would suggest reading the Federal Papers. You will see how important religion was to the FF, and how it guided their work on the Constitution. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:39:05 PM EDT
[#40]
How is this promotion? If Roe v Wade is ever reversed, it will likely be done in on the similar grounds that abortion laws are a matter properly left to the states. They should have the choice of banning or not banning them. The overwhelming majority of states will then NOT pass bans of their own, thus preserving the practice in most of the country. Would that be promotion of abortion by the fed gov as well? |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:39:24 PM EDT
[#41]
I don't see what's so hard about this. If you die too soon, they make less money off of you! They can't bill you at the hospital, the government can't tax you and they are hoping you won't have your affairs in order (which you likely would if you were going to end it) so they can slam your surviving relatives with more taxes. It is not about religion or playing god or whatever! It's about money, plain and simple.
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:47:44 PM EDT
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I have read many of the Federalist Papers. I know full well it guided their work on the Constitution. So did Roman law, British tradition, and a host of other things. That does not mean that they based the Constitution literally on the Bible. That is what many of the colonies did before the Revolution. The Bible was once a guide for the American moral code. The law is a reflection of the moral code. And you'll excuse me if I fail to take being called "limited" by a self-styled Southern California JBT as an insult. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 9:49:10 PM EDT
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Over here we had a euthenasia debate, where one territory allowed it, and the Federal govt overruled it. The some terminally ill woman wanted to off herself, and a pro-euthenasia doctor/activist supplied the knowhow and equipment. She claimed that she was terminally ill, and wanted to die with dignaty. Well, after much huffing and puffing, she did it, and people were charged (and got off or a suspended sentance I think). The autopsy found that there was nothing wrong with her.
If you want to off yourself, go right ahead, you can talk it over with God when you're finished. Just don't expect anyone to help you. It is a short and slipery slope from assisted suicide to encouraged and assisted suicide. I remember reading about Holland allowing the doctor and the family to make the decision. A person doesn't even need to be sick. I reckon that it's an abomination. A summary: www.internationaltaskforce.org/hollaw.htm
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Posted: 1/17/2006 10:06:08 PM EDT
[#44]
I hear the US army is looking for new recruits. 1-800-GO ARMY |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 10:11:09 PM EDT
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Death with dignity, phooey. Why not "death with dynamite". How about skydiving without a parachute?
If your terminal, why not make your final exit at terminal velocity? Very fucked up that all the advocates can't even off themselves, and need the "state" to do it for them nice and neat. Sack up, and eat a pistol or a knife if you want out that bad. Killing yourself in a nice, clean way is better for your family than leaving a mess? Please. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 10:49:02 PM EDT
[#46]
Bah. Just zip yourself up in a sleeping bag in the bathtub, put some bags of ice in with you, leave a note so somebody finds you before you're a stinky mess. Then just eat a crapload of pills, drink some booze to get everything going, and a glass of milk to top it off and keep you from puking/getting cramps. Assuming you don't puke or shit yourself, the paramedics and coroner will have very little to do when they come to claim the body. Or, just grow some fucking balls and deal with it because only cowards kill themselves rather than face whatever shit life throws at them. If life gives you lemons, wing 'em right back and add a few of your own. The universe can try all it likes to kill me, but I'm not making things any easier for it. Besides, legalizing assisted suicide would start a slippery slope- well, grandma's got cancer and she's not going to be around much longer anyway, so why not... Darn, he's been in a coma ever since the car wreck and is likely to be a vegetable if he ever does wake up. Hrm, continue paying hospital bill or... Pretty soon they'd be able to off you without you having any say in it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 11:01:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/17/2006 11:26:26 PM EDT
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They haven't had time to inact the "Early Departure Tax".
I'm sure they are working on it though. 
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Posted: 1/17/2006 11:31:04 PM EDT
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some of these people are so ill and bedridden that they physically are unable to kill themselves. kind of hard to zip yourself up in a sleeping bag in the bathtub if you can't get out of bed in the first place.
ok, you're tough, we understand. if you had terminal metastatic cancer i'm sure you'd want to go through with it to the bitter end. but some of us would prefer not to, and we'd like the freedom to make that decision ourselves.
that's a load of BS and you know it. |
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Posted: 1/17/2006 11:32:14 PM EDT
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Physician assisted suicide is just wrong on so many levels.
It will turn out to be just another excuse for insurance carriers to raise YOUR rates, because of all the freakin' lawsuits brought by the families who just happened to change their minds after the deed is done. Ambulance chasing attorneys will turn into Hearse chasin' attorneys, especially when little Johnny or Janey finds out that they were cut out of the will, after the "dearly-departed was allowed to peacefully go". And don't try to kid yourself into thinking it won't happen , because you know damn rootin-tootin' that's exactly what will happen...then you'll all be posting threads bitchin' and moanin' about getting the letter from your insurance carrier that your rates just doubled. PAS is also a slippery slope. Once you get used to having this law on the books, its only a matter of time before we start hearing of family members finding a judge to sign over Grandad's power of attorney...."Yeah he's old, and that's too big of a house for him....let's give him the needle before he spends our inheritance on his medicine. Kids start packin', we're movin' back to the ol'home place" And what happens when you get a lousy doctor, who is either too incompetent or too busy to treat your loved one properly: " Sorry folks, I've tried everything I know....its time to put Uncle Bill down". What do you think will happen to medical research, like cancer or Alzheimer's. You'll probably see it grind to a screeching halt because why should a company put that much money into finding a cure when it would just be easier to give the patient "the needle" and be done with it. This all started from a small vocal minority who's apparently too chickenshit to eat a bullet and leave the rest of us alone. Ya'know what?....quit screwin' up everybody else's life by being a coward. If you want to kill yourself , then make your death useful.....take a badguy with you. |
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