Quoted: ................walked in I must confess that I was shocked......The sheer amount and power of some weapons......

[BevisandButthead] Dun du du dun du du dun du du dun!!![/BevisandButthead]

This has to be the same two Guys I saw in there Saturday.  All I could hear was why do they need these while they kept taking pictures with their cell phones.Especially When they got to the AR's and Ak's.

LOL, this guy seems to think that the guns themselves are some kind of evil demon that kill and main.  What a pinko wuss.  But I really don't think this is an example of all Brits.  Just look at the Brits and Aussies fighting along side our boys in Iraq.  

A friend of mine lived in the UK for a number of years.  He didn't know anyone who had not been the victim of robberies, muggings, and burglaries.

They have a lot of "hot" burglaries... occupied dwellings.  People will have criminals enter their homes, and just sit there while they haul off their belongings.

"Oh, my TV is in that room, be careful, it's heavy.  Here, I have some cash in this drawer.  And this is a really nice watch, a gift from my father.  Would you like a go at my wife?"

Quoted: A friend of mine lived in the UK for a number of years.  He didn't know anyone who had not been the victim of robberies, muggings, and burglaries. They have a lot of "hot" burglaries... occupied dwellings.  People will have criminals enter their homes, and just sit there while they haul off their belongings. "Oh, my TV is in that room, be careful, it's heavy.  Here, I have some cash in this drawer.  And this is a really nice watch, a gift from my father.  Would you like a go at my wife?"

And here is how that would go in the Tester household....

[loud smash as the window breaks, sound of dogs revving up]

"What the hell was that?"

[sound of screaming as criminal tries to detach 80 lbs of Pit Bull from his leg]

"911? Yeah, you guys better send an ambulance!"

[still screaming about Pit bull attached to leg]

"Hey! Get away from my dog!"

[gunfire]

"Yes officer, he was waving something at my dog and then pointed it at me."

"What's that? Oh, he was waving his own arm at me?"

"It looked like a gun with the missing fingers....."



GT

Good doggie...

Quoted: A friend of mine lived in the UK for a number of years.  He didn't know anyone who had not been the victim of robberies, muggings, and burglaries. They have a lot of "hot" burglaries... occupied dwellings.  People will have criminals enter their homes, and just sit there while they haul off their belongings. "Oh, my TV is in that room, be careful, it's heavy.  Here, I have some cash in this drawer.  And this is a really nice watch, a gift from my father.  Would you like a go at my wife?"

Where do you all get this crap from?

Mark

Kick his ass Seabass!

Before any UK citizens talk down US society, they need to clean up their own house first:

September 19, 2005

Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries
By Katrina Tweedie





A UNITED Nations report has labelled Scotland the most violent country in the developed world, with people three times more likely to be assaulted than in America.

England and Wales recorded the second highest number of violent assaults while Northern Ireland recorded the fewest.

The study, based on telephone interviews with victims of crime in 21 countries, found that more than 2,000 Scots were attacked every week, almost ten times the official police figures. They include non-sexual crimes of violence and serious assaults.

Violent crime has doubled in Scotland over the past 20 years and levels, per head of population, are now comparable with cities such as Rio de Janeiro, Johannesburg and Tbilisi.

The attacks have been fuelled by a “booze and blades” culture in the west of Scotland which has claimed more than 160 lives over the past five years. Since January there have been 13 murders, 145 attempted murders and 1,100 serious assaults involving knives in the west of Scotland. The problem is made worse by sectarian violence, with hospitals reporting higher admissions following Old Firm matches.

David Ritchie, an accident and emergency consultant at Glasgow’s Victoria Infirmary, said that the figures were a national disgrace. “I am embarrassed as a Scot that we are seeing this level of violence. Politicians must do something about this problem. This is a serious public health issue. Violence is a cancer in this part of the world,” he said.

Detective Chief Superintendent John Carnochan, head of the Strathclyde Police’s violence reduction unit, said the problem was chronic and restricting access to drink and limiting the sale of knives would at least reduce the problem.

The study, by the UN’s crime research institute, found that 3 per cent of Scots had been victims of assault compared with 1.2 per cent in America and just 0.1 per cent in Japan, 0.2 per cent in Italy and 0.8 per cent in Austria. In England and Wales the figure was 2.8 per cent.

Scotland was eighth for total crime, 13th for property crime, 12th for robbery and 14th for sexual assault. New Zealand had the most property crimes and sexual assaults, while Poland had the most robberies.

Chief Constable Peter Wilson, president of the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland, questioned the figures. “It must be near impossible to compare assault figures from one country to the next based on phone calls,” he said.

“We have been doing extensive research into violent crime in Scotland for some years now and this has shown that in the vast majority of cases, victims of violent crime are known to each other. We do accept, however, that, despite your chances of being a victim of assault being low in Scotland, a problem does exist.”








 




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i used to get so much crap from people when i told them gun control only leads to eventually all pointy or heavy things getting taken away.  already it's swords in Australia and now this.  looks like flawed methodology, so let's apply it harder till it works.  whee.

blah blah blah, boo hoo cry me a river you english pussy.

Back SEVERAL years, I travelled to Scotland with Mom and Dad..I was about 16 yrs at the time.  We visited a friend there who is (well was...he's retired now) a constable with the Central Sctoland Police out of Sterling, Scotland.

At the time, he still had two handguns kept at his home.  This was around 1983?1984?  can't remember exactly.  He had a Beretta 92 and a Colt Python .357 (his proclaimed baby).  Well he took mny father and I to the closet where he kept the firearms locked, double pad locked, in a VERY strudy lockbox which was in turn bolted to the floor.  Further, each handgun had individual locks on them.  

As my father was a PO, and I had gotten firearms for my birthday growing up, I was fairly familiar with firearms.  Peter, our friend, unlocks the box, removes the Beretta, removes the lock from the handgun and locks the slide to the rear, mag out, and handed it to me.  I thought it very cool, but never dropped the slide even with the mag out.  I was asking if this was the ammo he used as I pointed to a closed box of 9mm ammo.  Apparently my hand was too close to actually touching this box and Peter says, "NO!  You don't handle both at once."  I try to tell him politely I wasn't going to handle the box only point at it and I would never have opened the box or attempted to load the firarm, but I could tell it was no use with my father shaking his head at me like, NO, don't say anything else!.

It always stuck with me how the Brits are scared of firearms from my limited experience.  I teach my children firearms are tools to be used properly and respected, but never feared...

Thats my .02$ story!

But as a rule, I've had great reception from Brits when we've travelled there several times.

Cheers!!

Quoted: Back SEVERAL years, I travelled to Scotland with Mom and Dad..I was about 16 yrs at the time.  We visited a friend there who is (well was...he's retired now) a constable with the Central Sctoland Police out of Sterling, Scotland. At the time, he still had two handguns kept at his home.  This was around 1983?1984?  can't remember exactly.  He had a Beretta 92 and a Colt Python .357 (his proclaimed baby).  Well he took mny father and I to the closet where he kept the firearms locked, double pad locked, in a VERY strudy lockbox which was in turn bolted to the floor.  Further, each handgun had individual locks on them.   As my father was a PO, and I had gotten firearms for my birthday growing up, I was fairly familiar with firearms.  Peter, our friend, unlocks the box, removes the Beretta, removes the lock from the handgun and locks the slide to the rear, mag out, and handed it to me.  I thought it very cool, but never dropped the slide even with the mag out.  I was asking if this was the ammo he used as I pointed to a closed box of 9mm ammo.  Apparently my hand was too close to actually touching this box and Peter says, "NO!  You don't handle both at once."  I try to tell him politely I wasn't going to handle the box only point at it and I would never have opened the box or attempted to load the firarm, but I could tell it was no use with my father shaking his head at me like, NO, don't say anything else!. It always stuck with me how the Brits are scared of firearms from my limited experience.  I teach my children firearms are tools to be used properly and respected, but never feared... Thats my .02$ story! But as a rule, I've had great reception from Brits when we've travelled there several times. Cheers!!

Was he afraid the box would spontaneously come apart and a round would accidentally fall into the chamber, the slide would close, and the gun would automatically fire?

Didn't Freud have a theory about this?  Hmmm.

Thousands of competely innocent people are killed by them and yet the great "Right to bear arms" is still maintained in the American Constitution


Yep everyone shot with a gun is "competely innocent".

Quoted: Quoted: Back SEVERAL years, I travelled to Scotland with Mom and Dad..I was about 16 yrs at the time.  We visited a friend there who is (well was...he's retired now) a constable with the Central Sctoland Police out of Sterling, Scotland. At the time, he still had two handguns kept at his home.  This was around 1983?1984?  can't remember exactly.  He had a Beretta 92 and a Colt Python .357 (his proclaimed baby).  Well he took mny father and I to the closet where he kept the firearms locked, double pad locked, in a VERY strudy lockbox which was in turn bolted to the floor.  Further, each handgun had individual locks on them.   As my father was a PO, and I had gotten firearms for my birthday growing up, I was fairly familiar with firearms.  Peter, our friend, unlocks the box, removes the Beretta, removes the lock from the handgun and locks the slide to the rear, mag out, and handed it to me.  I thought it very cool, but never dropped the slide even with the mag out.  I was asking if this was the ammo he used as I pointed to a closed box of 9mm ammo.  Apparently my hand was too close to actually touching this box and Peter says, "NO!  You don't handle both at once."  I try to tell him politely I wasn't going to handle the box only point at it and I would never have opened the box or attempted to load the firarm, but I could tell it was no use with my father shaking his head at me like, NO, don't say anything else!. It always stuck with me how the Brits are scared of firearms from my limited experience.  I teach my children firearms are tools to be used properly and respected, but never feared... Thats my .02$ story! But as a rule, I've had great reception from Brits when we've travelled there several times. Cheers!! Was he afraid the box would spontaneously come apart and a round would accidentally fall into the chamber, the slide would close, and the gun would automatically fire? [>:/]

You know how when you're around a friend and they're acting silly about something and you can just tell you should leave it alone as it really isn't a big issue?  It kinda felt like that.  I can still remember it vividly.  Peter is a great guy, though and a BLAST to have some drinks with!  And he did let me drive his prized MG when we were there...it was super cool driving a right hand drive MG around Scotland at 16 yrs...no, he didn't let me go alone.  He was sitting next to me helping me pay attention!  Interesting trying to shift with your left hand!

Quoted: Didn't Freud have a theory about this?  Hmmm.

A fear of weapons is a sign of sexual immaturity.

UK gun laws are weird.

In some areas of the UK handguns are still legal- IE Channel Islands, Northern Ireland.

Shotguns are regulated differently from other firearms.

In 1988 centefire pump action and centerfire autoloading rifles were banned.

Pump action and autoloading shotguns were restricted to 3 shots or less. Barrels have to be at least 26" IIRC.

Pistol shooters have to practice outside the mainland of GB to pratice their sport.

Collectors can own stuff like grenade launchers, missles, tanks ect.

Rimfire .22 rifles are legal in GB and several members of this board own ARs chambered in such in England.

The laws in Australia really stink.

And New Zealands laws are very strict but decent. However more gun control is coming down the pike in New Zealand and things may change bigtime.

I bet all those victims I've read about in English newspapers that had people break into their house and beat or kill them wish they had had a gun, possibly even an evil black rifle
fucking moron

Its ok for a British male to punch and stomp you on the ground
till you puke your guts out, but use a gun to defend yourself?
"That's bloody uncivilized, mate."

Chris showed us how to load the guns and the target. With my only real knowledge of explosives being those "kiddy" cap-guns we had years ago,

That's f*ckin' sad.

From the country that needed us to ship millions of rifles so that they could participate in defending themselves against the Nazis.  

Those brits are just hilarious!  

And now for somthing completely different...

what a great marketing opportunity - we should embrace these guys and take them to the range.

Tell him to read Churchill's speech in which he mentions "We shall fight them on the beaches.....shall fight them in the streets...we shall never surrender!"   How would he propose to do that?  Indeed, thinking a bit, someone might even come to the conclusion as to why some people want to disarm everyone.

Nothing like 50 years of socialism to turn a once proud country into pussies.  Wake up Amerika!

You guys are forgeting the cultural divide.  While we are related to Britain and the rest of the Commonwealth, we are still different.

There are British SUBEJCTS
American CITIZENS

Its cultural differences on what are rights and what are priviledges the king or queen grants you.  Now granted UK and the rest are all basically democracies they are still decended from the culture where citizens had as many rights as the king felt like.

We went to war over freedom.  That freedom was largely made possible by the right to bear arms.

I always thought NZ had decent gun laws compartively speaking.  What kind of laws do they have

Quoted: Where do you all get this crap from?

The hot burglary rate in the UK is far higher than in the US. In America burglarizing a house while the occupants are there is an excellent way to get your fool head blown off, so Darwinian action keeps the crime fairly rare.  Street crime in the UK is much higher than in the US as well.

Ignorant, sack of shit.

A British mangina!

At least they went to a range with a nice selection...




The amount of killing power? Dont point it at somebody and you wont have a problem asshole. If your gonna come to America, enjoy yourself, then write a slanted anti-America article; dont bother coming back asshole.

This Summer I spent 12 weeks working in Southern England. With regard to guns, violence and crime in general here's what I learned (unfortunately some of it first-hand):

-The UK has very strict guns laws; however, as noted in previous posts your average British citizen is very ignorant with regard to these laws.

-Gun violence in the UK is not all that uncommon. I saw numerous news reports of gun violence while there.

-When they learned that I am a gun enthusiast, the Britons that I worked with invariably reacted as if I must be a little crazy. Some of them kept an open mind; some of them didn't. One asked me what would stop me or some other gun owner from walking around shooting people. I replied: "What's to stop me from driving my pickup onto a crowded sidewalk?"

-There is an extremely high incidence of assault in the UK. The previously posted article on violence in Scotland says it all.

-One week before I was scheduled to fly home, I went out for drinks with some coworkers. I was the first person to leave the pub, and started to walk home by myself. I was mugged and severely beaten up -- and all they got was my cell phone and 20 British pounds. I was concussed and have basically no recollection of what happened, but I ended up with my jaw broken in two places, some knocked out teeth, some broken teeth, lower back injuries and a lot of nasty bruises. Additionally, I was taken to a quiet area and left by the side of the road. I regained consciousness 6 hours later and finally got to the hospital.

Anyway, I enjoyed my time in the UK and virtually everyone I met there was incredibly friendly. I know full well that I could also be mugged here in the USA, but overall my time in England underscored the fact that people, not guns, perpetuate violence -- and that by implementing heavy gun control you only compromise a person's ability to defend themself. In doing so, criminals are only emboldened.

Oh, and FWIW, I think miscarriages are the only thing they don't severely tax in the UK.

Edited for clarity.

Quoted: British males can not be referred to as "men".

Cant say Anything For the british Males..
But as an Englishman I say Bite me

James

Britain = England Scotland, Wales and Northern ireland

Scotland, Wales and Northern ireland all have there own national identities....

Im English and i have my own national identity too!!

James,

I haven't laughed like that in a while.

Quoted: He needs to unzip his vagina and let his balls hang out.  "Scary, very scary"

+1

Quoted:
A friend of mine lived in the UK for a number of years. He didn't know anyone who had not been the victim of robberies, muggings, and burglaries.

They have a lot of "hot" burglaries... occupied dwellings. People will have criminals enter their homes, and just sit there while they haul off their belongings.

"Oh, my TV is in that room, be careful, it's heavy. Here, I have some cash in this drawer. And this is a really nice watch, a gift from my father. Would you like a go at my wife?"

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Where do you all get this crap from?

Mark


I get it grom my BUSIESS PARTNER in the UK (London area).  And I get it from a good friend with a British wife who lived there for many years, was involved with security work, and worked closely with UK police.  He also told me your police are known to "fudge the numbers", that the actual crime rate is higher than reported.

Quoted: those crazy Americans and their 'rights'.  why don't they be reasonable and do what their government tells them?

Can you imagine the trouble we'd be in if we did that??

Quoted: Coming from England, where we just don't need guns, this sheer level of weaponry was crazy.

Right.  We wouldn't need guns either, if WE were prepared to lay back and submit to every mugger, thug, burglar, and home invader that commanded us to stand and deliver.

But then, WE'RE not a nation of effete geldings, trained from an early age to obey every two-bit bully on the block.

Quoted: So what is my opinion of today? Well. It's a mixture. I can understand now - to some degree at least - why the American public don't want their weapons or "rights to bear arms" to be removed from them. However, by the same point, it really shouldn't be possible for children to - especially less than 15 - to be let into a gun shop. The details on the "Safety Sheet" I'd signed said, "Children under 15 must be accompanied by an adult."... But this is weird isn't it.. Surely ? I mean, you're letting your child into a firing range, where there's dozens of people with guns. I find it a little weird - especially when there's a big sign on the shop saying "No Smoking, No Eating, No Drinking." .. .oh right.. No, we'd better not put any smoke near your kids lungs (not that I smoke), but it's OK to let them fire guns by themselves is it ?

Remind me again how many of those children left in ambulances?

While you were engaged in rubbing our faces in how irresponsible it is for parents to allow their children to be in SUCH an OBVIOUSLY dangerous place, you neglected to document the NATURE and DEGREE of the danger?

It must be a highly guarded state secret, otherwise we'd be hearing daily of all the deaths and injuries inflicted on The Children at public target ranges.

Or could it be that these places really AREN'T "dangerous" at all?

Could it really be that these places are SAFER than MOST recreational/sports facilities?

Seems like I've heard of various things happening at places like sports stadiums and bowling alleys, for instance.  Injuries, accidents... even [gasp!] FIGHTS!

Seems like I DON'T hear about such things a target ranges.

I wonder, did that target range have a BAR in the facility, like most bowling alleys do?

No?  Well golly.

I'll close by saying that it will take a lot to overcome my disgust at that pissy little nation over the way they BEGGED American civilians to "lend" them their PERSONALLY owned arms for "the home guard" during World War Two -- and then, AFTER the war ended, rather than RETURN the property OWNED by the Americans, the limey bastards dumped it all in the sea.

And NOW they have the gall to scold US for owning firearms?

Memo to Limeyland -- "gall" is not equal to "balls", or even "guts".  For all your pissy condescention, you're STILL a gutless, no-balls nation of whiners.

Why don't go you make nice to some mullahs instead of pissing all over the country that saved your bacon when the little Austrian prick was picking on you.

I say this all in good nature, of course. :)

Quoted: those crazy Americans and their 'rights'.  why don't they be reasonable and do what their government tells them?

I think it's more a case of why won't WE do what HIS government wants us to do.

I don't think they ever really got over that bit of unpleasantness back in the 1700s. :)

Should we be shocked? So called men in Europe said they would get pregnant if they could.

Quoted: Quoted: I'm from England. We don't have much in the way of guns. They're illegal. The guys that came with us, plus Chris himself, are from Australia and New Zealand, where guns are illegal too. So, as I was probably never going to be something we'd do back home. What else could I do but accept ? From what I've read by Vito and the other AR15.com posters from GBR, this is complete and utter bullshit. I'd say that's enough to throw the validity of this piece out the window.  I quit reading right there.

Shoot, Cocaine's illegal in the US but I would not go as far to say that "We don't have much in the way of cocaine!"
I believe a surgical head-ass-ectomy is in order for this Pom.

Quoted: Quoted: Im English and i have my own national identity too!! Okey doke. Please refrain from speaking about Americans then, please refer to each individual by their state of origin it's only fair.

America is One big country.....

Wales Is a country....
Scotland is a country...
Northern Ireland... is complicated,

England is definatley a country!!


James

well, it's all great to poke fun as this guy, and even take a little dump on the UK because of what this pussy had to say.

don't think for a moment it won't be like this here in 25 years though.

we're going through the same thing here, and the only thing that would change it would be a legit civil war, and that ain't never gonna' happen.

most college kids in the US already think like this guy. it's going to happen folks, just give it time.

Think of the idea of the Brit at the range having family members a few genrations back that hid in farmhouses or the tube....and, knew that a future relative might say..."These weren't air-rifles. These are actual ... real .. bullets from real ... actual guns. Scary. Very scary."

Quoted: He needs to unzip his vagina and let his balls hang out.  "Scary, very scary"

that right there is funny

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Im English and i have my own national identity too!! Okey doke. Please refrain from speaking about Americans then, please refer to each individual by their state of origin it's only fair. America is One big country..... Wales Is a country.... Scotland is a country... Northern Ireland... is complicated, England is definatley a country!! James

No kidding? And if the patriots in Scotland ever got their act together, so would the Highlands...
But THAT's another thread

Coming from England, where we just don't need guns

This is a pretty good indicator that this guy is not only clueless about his own country but about society as a whole around him.

Sure, nobody need guns... or cars... or quarter pounders with cheese, or cigarettes. Of course, this is coming froma Brit... where everyone NEEDS a good 5 hours with a dentist, and they pursue that need about as frequently as their need for self-defense.

As an ally of the US they're good to have... beyond that they're about as bassackwards as they come.

Even better than this story are the stories my nephew-in-law can tell about the Japanese software engineers he works with.  In Japan ALL firearms are totally banned from civilian ownership.  One of his visiting engineer "buddies" wanted to go to the firing range and shoot a semiautomatic handgun "gangsta' style".  Soooo, he was taken to the range with a few other Japanese engineers to to do this.
Of course, they loved it!
But they still can't figure out why American men aren't "allowed" by their American wives to stay out all night drinking and partying with prostitutes.  To the Japanese, it's the American men who are the ones who cannot "let their balls hang out"!