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Posted: 8/3/2005 8:12:31 PM EDT
[#1]
Bullets outrank everybody, that's why I say combat is a clusterfuck. |
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Posted: 8/3/2005 8:26:20 PM EDT
[#2]
yea
it is on saturday at 8pm central (9 maybe, not sure but you won't miss it with either guess.) it's not that noone follows orders, probably that there's just always someone who doesn't follow orders. FX gets away with enough as it is. they don't need FUCK on TV. I watch "rescue me" "the shield" "nip/tuck" and i'm sure something else... I get to hear "faggot" "cock" "cocksucker" "asshole" "ass pirate" "tits" "pussy" "pole smoker" "jizz" and all sorts of other colorful words and combinations. I'm 28 years old, don't practice a religion and don't consider myself a prude, but the language is getting a little intense. I remember when Bruce Willis and Cybil Sheperd were able to call each other "bitch" and "bastard" and how it was the first time on tv for each word way back in the days of moonlighting. we've come a long way... |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 3:02:27 AM EDT
[#3]
That didn't seem to be the case to me. The only guy who consistently doesn't follow orders is the one Black Power dude (who they have portrayed as an asshole). Dim ignored orders once, but he's being portrayed as a college-boy-overthinker. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 3:11:49 AM EDT
[#4]
I thought #2 was much better then #1. There were somethings that bothered me, but I remembered that it's a TV show.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 3:31:12 AM EDT
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tonight was ok, much better than the first but i gotta say, this is a badly written show. fuck all the politics and anti-war slant, it's just badly written. someone compared it to "combat" and that's a damn good description. combat was new and interesting for it's time. this show just has cliche after cliche and it must have a really small budget cuz i think all they can afford is a couple of humvees and a few six by's. all that said, i like the tariq character and will watch to see how that works out. next week is the abu ghraib story...can't fucking wait to see how we get slammed in that! 
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Posted: 8/4/2005 3:35:43 AM EDT
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I told my wife that when we saw the first preview. Hell look at the propoganda job FX did with the LA Robbery piece. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 4:06:11 AM EDT
[#7]
Painful to watch as not only is the story propaganda for the suicidal left, the acting sucks.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 4:33:44 AM EDT
[#8]
Didn't really see that...to what part are you referring? |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:05:52 AM EDT
[#9]
The fact that the insurgents use children and women and old people as a screen came through pretty clear in this episode. The bad guys don't care who gets killed to save themselves. Thats a fact people (sheeple) need to understand.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:21:42 AM EDT
[#10]
No it's not. The show's politics are only what you project on it yourself. And most war movies and shows are in a way anti war. I didn't catch the second epasode but I wanted to, just had more important things to do besides sit in front of the TV. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:24:05 AM EDT
[#11]
gee, that's exactly what the hollyweird critic said... |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:26:55 AM EDT
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Saw the commercials during Blackhawk last night. Didn't even think about watching it. More media bullshit, looks like to me.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:36:32 AM EDT
[#13]
What percentage of the US Military is Arab-American. Last night they introduced an Arab-American soldier. Since this isn't typical of the US Military, therefore it was introduced in the story line for a purpose. I assume it is to prove that the majority Arab-Americans pro-US, even though polls show otherwise. It doesn't matter, the fact they ventured out of the typical into the atypical proves an agenda. What the agenda is up to interprepation. Another example, this dealing with the atrocities being commited in Iraq. Little girl get's killed by US forces in a car speeding at a checkpoint. Why was there no examination of the type of monster that would put a child in harms way like that? They only portrayed a soldier starting to fall apart. I look foward to an episode where the soldiers are building a school for kids and no one get's shot or blown up. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:44:37 AM EDT
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And from what I have seen of the show, only the first episode mind you, I have to agree. You don't think that maybe some of the guys that went over there for real didn't share the same thoughts after their first experiance in combat? I have a friend I went to highschool with who was there for the initial invasion, doens't talk much about it, but when he does, you get the feeling that he felt very similar to Dim after the first time. Most people are not used to shooting another human being, regardless of the situation, if you don't think that ways on your mind your crazy. Sure you may after a little while be able to look at it and say fuck it it was him or me, but right after you are going to have a shitload of thoughts running through your head. When does the second episode re-play?? |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:46:44 AM EDT
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Is this bitching gonna go on for every episode? mostly from those who won't even watch them? It's entertainment, if you're not entertained, change the channel.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:49:05 AM EDT
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I don't know the percentage, but, when I went over with ETC: A/1-7 Cav in 96 we had a Lebbonese mechanic, and, one second generation Egyptian tanker. The tanker was pretty assimilated, and, seemed pretty much like everyone else. He didn't even speak the language. The mechanic was working on his citizenship. He was pretty pro-US, but, didn't like Israel too much. The mechanic was very helpful doing interpretation when we trained the Kuwaitis...For all the freakin' good it did. BTW, I actually thought the scene you were refering to was actually pretty good. An intellectual over-thinker getting confronted with a situation like that, could well react in a similar fashion. As you saw, they didn't "abuse" him. I wouldn't expect there to be an "examination" of the use of civilians. I thought it was brought up well enough. Good writing doesn't "tell". It "shows" and, I think it did that pretty well. My big problem with this episode was the use of non existant pro-words like "POSREP" to give a six digit grid to thier checkpoint-the following morning-having been left at that spot by thier PL-the previous day,and having been there all night, presumably staying in good comms on the platoon and/or company net. Kinda like saying "Over and out" or "Roger WILCO". I'm waiting for those shortly. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:49:12 AM EDT
[#17]
No shit. Some people forget this is nothing more then a TV show. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:50:24 AM EDT
[#18]
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:56:13 AM EDT
[#19]
There are approximately 3,500 Arab- Americans serving in our Armed Forces. Source The exact precentage I don't know. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:57:55 AM EDT
[#20]
 Grab the tin foil.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 5:58:02 AM EDT
[#21]
First and formost, thank you for service. I think you'd accept that the percentage of Arab-American serving in the US military is small. They actually did mildly abuse him, though it was an african-american that did it, the seargant who was undecided and a caucasian that somewhat befriended him. Anyways, my point was to demonstrate a political agenda by highlighting the fact they are focusing on the abnormal situation, rather than the normal. What drives me away from this show, as I stated earlier is the bad acting. It seems the technical inaccuracies are more bothersome to you. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:04:56 AM EDT
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Well, it's like police shows. If they showed cops eating doghnuts and, sleeping in thier patrol cars all day, or driving around with a few traffic stops, or domestics, nobody would watch. They intentionally dramatize circumstances to make a viable show. I'll fogive them that. If you watch TV, I think you have to. The bad acting....well...lol...That's TV for you. I think the college boy is pretty good, and, I think that SGT was pretty good. I actually smiled when he barked at the black guy to go get some sleep. I thought the guy playing the Arab soldier was pretty good too, for as much as he had to do. Technical inaccuraces drive up the friggin WALL! If you are going to do a show about the military, get guys that know what they are doing to advise you, and, have them scrub the takes as they go. I understand what you're saying, but, honestly, I think they did a pretty fair job overall with this episode. Oh and, yeah, I'll agree the % of Arab Americans is pretty small in the Army, but, you can't just ignore them. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:06:48 AM EDT
[#23]
The Afro-Power character's name is Williams I believe. His nickname is definitely Smoke. He likes to smoke the "herb" while on duty.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:08:22 AM EDT
[#24]
Sorry, I liked the show.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:14:11 AM EDT
[#25]
Ever seen Adam-12 or Dragnet? |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:16:05 AM EDT
[#26]
Bullshit show. Full of obvious and covert anti-war and anti-Bush propaganda.
I watched maybe ten minutes and shut the toob off. Liberal Hollyweird asshats!
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:22:29 AM EDT
[#27]
Well, I think I layed out my case pretty well. Time to work.
It's not like I'm employed by George Soros to surf right of center websites and post counter viewpoints.  I know, I know, someone is going to debate me that pro-gun is ACTUALLY a left of center issue. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:38:02 AM EDT
[#28]
Some of you guys have some serious fucking issues. First of all, it is a TV show. It is not real. Things are not going to be like in real life cause guess what? It aint real.
It's a fucking TV show. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:41:47 AM EDT
[#29]
Dragnet was written in a particular style, and, it was written in and for a different time. Dragnet wouldn't last 1/2 a season today. I actually like the show, even if Jack Webb was about the most wooden stiff-ass actor I've ever seen....At least on that show. Adam-12, I admit, I haven't seen a great deal of, so I can't comment there. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:53:52 AM EDT
[#30]
That isn't the point. I think we can all accept dramatization to a degree. I think we can all accept there has to be a "suspension of disbelief" to a degree. It's the degree to which it is acceptable to the individual that dictates if they like, or don't like a show. Politics-wise, I didn't think is was too bad. It showed terorists getting killed in the war, and, the terrorists using innocent children to shield thier activities. It showed conflict among soldiers. It showed racial comments between soldiers. It showed solider under extreme stress. It showed wounded soldiers, and, the effects of that on them and thier families. I don't think that any honest look at the overall situation in wartime can ignore any of those factors. My issure with the show is technical inaccuracies. I find that inexcusable in any military show. That's why my wife can't watch with me..She can't take my bitching 
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Posted: 8/4/2005 6:57:55 AM EDT
[#31]
Jack Webb created, produced, wrote, and directed Dragnet, Adam-12, and Emergency. The original B+W Dragnet movie is soemthing to see................... Before Miranda.............. We are going to stay here until you confess, you will not sleep, or eat, until you confess............ showed them switching off detectives after thier shifts were over so a fresh group could keep questioning the suspect. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 7:03:06 AM EDT
[#32]
I friggin' LOVED Emergency. I loved how Randolf Mantooth would flick off the cap on the tube of "D5W TKO" (The same call, every time ). That show is why I went into EMS later.Webb may've been a technical genius, but, I'm sorry, I stil thought he was stiff as a board as an actor. And, the point you bring up is a good one. Even in the mildness of the time for dramas, it shows somthing that is inherently dramatic taking place. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 7:05:39 AM EDT
[#33]
We do not have "issues" We have knowlege of the difference between ground truth and bullshit. The problem is, as has been already stated here, that the show is full of bias and bullshit! If Bochco had REALLY wanted to produce a true rendition of what life is like for our troops and their loved ones back home, he could have done so. Instead, he chose the path he has taken and that means lots of Hollywood propaganda, bias and bullshit against the war and GWB. You insult the vets who have, "have been there, done that" by your comments.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 7:09:32 AM EDT
[#34]
Depends on how badly she is wounded, according to 9-line medevac categories. But yeah, 9 people took on like 65 in the open? They would have seen the soldiers at the berm and flanked both sides at the same time, as well as a frontal assault and completely obliterated the soldiers. 
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Posted: 8/4/2005 7:14:49 AM EDT
[#35]
+1 on the head wound. If she was knocked out and, then, came too, Id've done an assesment on her,a nd, if she can walk and, shoot, she's good to go. It's a shooting war. She did sustain a concussion, so she needs to get seen at some point, but, football players get hurt worse and, go back out and play. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 7:18:56 AM EDT
[#36]
Wilde, I didn't see the first episode, so, I dont' have the whole snapshot of the show, but, the second episode seemed fairly good to me, as far as bias. I think it was leaning more towards sympathy with our soldiers and, a more conservitive view of things. What were your issues with the second episode? If you didn't see it, that's cool, but, understand it's not just one episode that makes up a series. My main problems were that they are covering too broad a scope, so no one theme gets it's just due, and, the technical problems are pretty clear. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 7:28:55 AM EDT
[#37]
zulu -5: sat 2200 050806, sun 2300 050807, tue 2300 050809 east coast times: sat 10:00pm aug 6, 2005; sun 11:00pm aug 7, 2005; tue 11:00pm aug 9, 2005 hahahahaha
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Posted: 8/4/2005 8:05:15 AM EDT
[#38]
i understand the times and dates but those dates are fucking stupid. we read left to right and the information should either "increase" or "decrease" in detail- putting the year in between the time and day is stupid. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WATCH 10 MINUTES AND THEN MAKE A JUDGEMENT, YOU ARE AS BAD AS THE LIBERALS WHO LOOK AT A BLACK RIFLE AND SAY IT'S EVIL. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 8:28:32 AM EDT
[#39]
The guy who plays Sgt. Scream was also in U-571. He was the one who's body got flushed out the torpedo tube when they were creating a field of debris. I enjoyed the second episode much better than the first. I just thought the first episode sucked because it was just bad writing, not for any political reason. I would love for it to be 100% correct as far as tactics and everything else but that is NEVER going to happen in Hollywierd. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 8:54:42 AM EDT
[#40]
just watch the 2nd episode.it was a decent show and i will watch the next episode
don't get how it is
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:20:09 AM EDT
[#41]
In military time it would be 062200Z AUG 2005, 072300Z AUG 2005, and 092300Z AUG 2005. I have watched the first two episodes and have a problem with the "Dim" charachter, he's a 'Joker' remake from Full Metal Jacket, only a really BAD one. The guy is a pussy and believes he is smarter than everybody else in the Army combined. I hope the writers reign him in and don't let his anti-American viewpoint ruin the show! |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 9:37:41 AM EDT
[#42]
Good points. I must answer with some questions: Why don't they show the great courage and outstanding leadership qualities of our grunts? Not ALL JOs are arrogant, selfish, unthinking, sarcastic buffoons who don't have the welfare of their troops at the top of their hit parade. I remember men like that...but they were in a very small minority and they didn't last long. Why the stereotypes? Why Joe racist? In a fucking fighting hole THERE ARE NO RACISTS or any other assholes like that. There is only you...and that man watching your back. Why is the supervision so lacking in some parts? I wanted to see more JOs and sergeants, especially the close supervision of the sergeants. THEY are the glue that hold the small units together and keep their men alive. Sorry...I could go on but...suffice to say I think they could have done a better job. Think BHD, BoB or SPR.  I didn't watch it all last night. In all fairness, I'll take another look and get fully calibrated. What I've seen so far does not please me. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:00:32 AM EDT
[#43]
I watch it because the wife leaves the room when it comes on. The violence bothers her.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:12:37 AM EDT
[#44]
i call the dim and joker characters the "oliver stone" effect. guys with college educations are SO much smarter and wiser and sensitive than knuckle dragging low rent bulletcatchers...yeesh! actually, the hours would be 5 hours before. zulu time for 2300 east coast time is -5 so it would be 1800z. not to beat a dead horse...
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:17:24 AM EDT
[#45]
Yeah..There was some of the racial stuff going on..Includeing a fight on the checkpoint that I was rolling my eyes at. I double dog secret squirrel promise those knuckleheads would NOT have wanted to be in my squad. There was some good leadership shown at a few points. I think it did a pretty good job at showing the troops being courageous, but, cautious and, jumpy, which, as I've been told by BTDTs, is pretty common. Can't say I blame them. As for the troops, it takes all kinds, and, I knew some real dirtbags while I was in. I knew good guys too. I, like you, hope they will show some better combat discipline and cohesion. I think they should've portrayed a National Gaurd unit. I'd believe the tactical foulups alot more than with a squared away unit like 3ID. Could it have been done better? Ohhhhhhh yeah. There are lots of flaws, and, they drive me bonkers. I just don't think that it's that bad a show. I'm going to watch another episode and see what happens. I'm definitly keeping my gaurd up, though. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:19:20 AM EDT
[#46]
Well, I don't think Dim comes off as the good guy at all. I think he comes off as a jerk, and, whats more, I think that's on purpose. |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:25:33 AM EDT
[#47]
a group of men doing a scary tough shitty job that pays shitty. When I was younger I thought that the army would be a society or warriors bent on professionalism. It was not it was just a job like anyother full of people who didnt give a shit about the art of war anymore than they absolutly had to. We had racist fuckups and shitbag low speed high drag commanders who were fat and lazy! |
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:26:06 AM EDT
[#48]
Mother F'er, so everyone says the 2nd was better and I didn't see it....damnit, now what do I do.
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Posted: 8/4/2005 11:57:12 AM EDT
[#49]
Hey im a vet and I like it. We got to support this shit if we want Hwood to keep on making it for us. Sure I got some probs with it like the wannabe black panther "smoke" hating the man and whitey. That shit would not be tolerated for a second any more and him pulling a knife because Dim was kicking his ass would have got him busted in a second. Other than stupid shit like that its pretty realistic overall. IMHO!
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Posted: 8/4/2005 12:03:07 PM EDT
[#50]
Fuckin' ay! 
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