Quoted: So if team members decide they want to leave, do they get a refund?

Why would they? Has GB not lived up to his part of the bargain? is there some code that states that GB must rabidly fight everything that comes his way nomatter the consequences or costs? IF the site gets shut down by outside forces I doubt that after the legal bills are paid there will be much left to refund.

Quoted: It would be nice if arf said "Fuck you" and carried on business as usual, but then again not everyone is as Um-PC as I am. There's money involved here too.

It would be nice if we would all say to the government:" The constitution says I can do this,so fuck you and the existing laws.I am having as many  machineguns,C4,etc  as I want, because I am garanteed one in the 2nd ammendment,etc".............but not everyone is as UnPC as you are!

Note:PD,this is not directed at you.I just wanted to use your line of thinking to be sarcastic about how we want to keep "redrawing the line" as the gov takes more and more of our righta away.

Quoted: To our benevolent Federal Government overseers: For every 1 pimply-faced permanent adolescent advocating religion-based genocide on arfcom - there are 10 losers on DU threatening to “finally get a gun” if GW is re-elected.  The only thing most of the keyboard kommandos here are capable of “rounding up” is their Mom’s secret Little Debbie snack stash. The blowhards here, for the most part, have already passed an NCIS background check – it’s those weirdoes over on DU you have to watch out for. The Patriot Act police would be better off calling in Weight Watchers here and concentrating their efforts elsewhere – believe me.

LMAO!

Quoted: Quoted: If there's ANY subpoena at present, it has an automatic, mandatory gag-order attached to it. I have been party to such a thing and I can speak to the certainties of the mandatory gag-orders which accompany nearly all such subpoenas nowdays. You have no freedom of speech, and even telling your wife that you have been served a subpoena could threaten your physical freedom. And we should all act accordingly.  If there is a supoena on this site, I can imagine the .gov has gotten all of our ip addy's and started tracking them as well, or at least a few of you guys () TXL

I bet they just call my boss...


TRG

Quoted: I know you're not dumb Ed, but just because the government (or more specifically somoneone in the government) says you can/can't do something does not make them right.

I did not imply that because the gov says something,the gov is right.

On the contrary,I meant to bring out the fact that our rights have been trampled many times before,and we did nothing (as a people and through the past decades.......not individually) . Reading some posts, you would think the authors are "arms in hand", waiting to start an uprising to defend them.Or more accurately put,SAYING they are ready to defend them.


VOTE<----This is our way of changing laws from intrusive and capricious to relaxed and with a practical purpose.When they become oppressive enough,some will rise............and I predict our side is least likely to count with those who are constantly beating the drums.

YMMV

Ok let me clarify a few things...

1) You have to be pretty ignorant to think that no government agency every checks the site. I'm sure there's a number of offices who check on a regular basis. As I stated in another thread, we hear from everyone from the Military (lawyers usually who are tracking stolen goods) to the 3 letter big boys. Most of this isn't on a regular basis and we've had a number of great comments from the ATF supporting this site and how it's run. (We've even had people come to us and tell us they were referred to this site from the ATF!)

2) The site is NOT currently under, or involved with, any investigation of any sort. If and when something comes up, there's always a jumble of legalease involved. The only time the legal stuff is simple is with it's from the big boys, then it's a simple short little paragraph saying you will help or be in serious shit. There is no compromise or argument, and the matter is private under serious penalties.

3) We do not bend to anyone's will or pressure. There's been a few times when we've worked with the law to come to common agreements, all of which had nothing to do with the fabric of the site or how it's run. The reason we do not allow death threats is because of the shitstorm they bring once other parties are involved. There's absolutely no need to threaten a race, religion, or countries people with death threats. Wording is 90% of the problems you see here, most of the time they're simple misunderstandings. The point is we don't censor much, and when we redid the site earlier in the year, I toned down a LOT of these things to make the site less intrusive on discussions. (Shit, we even have the BOTD back and thriving!)


All that's important with some of the BS I have had to deal with is that we adapt and find a way to do what we need to. Everything right now is fine with the exception of the last 24 hours of crap on the site. Nights when I accomplish nothing because I've had to deal with people going overboard because of an account lock really make me wonder why I bother. It's nice to see some people understand and get it, but the majority only care about what THEY want. Let me tell you, I had a serious discussion with the wife about being too tired to deal with the site's crap anymore. I already feel better about things today, but still... there's no reason why I should have to defend the same rule every few months. We will never allow death threats against people or groups to exist on this site. Talk all you want about cutting limbs or burning terrorists, but when you expand that hate to include everyone (key here is threats to innocents), then your stay here will be at risk. It's simple to avoid, just alter the way you type your message, and be specific.

Hopefully, this will be the last post on the matter and that we can finish the discussion here and now on all of this.