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Posted: 5/18/2023 8:27:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone know where I can buy a gigantic blender? |
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Posted: 5/18/2023 8:28:54 PM EDT
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FBI planning something big
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Posted: 5/18/2023 8:30:15 PM EDT
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In other news, 5000 gallons of nitromethane went missing.
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Posted: 5/18/2023 8:32:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Terrance Yeakey was the OKC police officer |
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Posted: 5/18/2023 8:51:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think covered hoppers are compartmentalized and (usually) made up of 2, 3, or 4 separate compartments. I’m only guessing but they might have meant a compartment was empty. *I think* Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Probably not even a full carload. Car load would be 4 times as much. Roughly 4 semi loads per train car. I think covered hoppers are compartmentalized and (usually) made up of 2, 3, or 4 separate compartments. I’m only guessing but they might have meant a compartment was empty. *I think* indeed!   There's a significantly non-zero chance that it was never filled. |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 9:50:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My heaviest train was 17,000 tons. 30 tons is a rounding error. A fully loaded grain car weighs 143 tons, or more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How can you steal 30 tons of something and it go unnoticed? My heaviest train was 17,000 tons. 30 tons is a rounding error. A fully loaded grain car weighs 143 tons, or more. New “arithmetic” rounding error? It’s order of magnitude. |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 9:58:20 AM EDT
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Well, I don’t think there is any question about it. It can only be attributable to human error. This sort of thing has cropped up before, and it has always been due to human error.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 10:02:15 AM EDT
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Hopefully it kept making its way to Cali.
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Posted: 5/19/2023 10:18:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How can you steal 30 tons of something and it go unnoticed? How can a RR lose track of a car? Now if there is a tanker truck of nitromethane dragster fuel missing too, then things will get interesting |
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Posted: 5/19/2023 11:18:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: pretty sure there are different grades of fertilizer they all can't be used in explosives...they are safeguards in place in the makeup of fertilizer these days. hyped up story iirc It sounds like the ammonium nitrate in the story is the porous, uncoated prills as it was made by an explosives manufacturer. This will absorb diesel fuel or nitromethane well. The denser and/or coated prills are used as fertilizer and do not detonate well due to the coating additives. However, it has nothing to do with making it more difficult to use as an explosive. Ammonium nitrate is deliquescent ie. will absorb moisture from the air until it actually forms a puddle. So the prills are coated to reduce their ability to absorb moisture for better storage life before being spread as fertilizer. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:31:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Inside job. Or islamic terrorist cell who posed as llegal immigrants at the mexico/us border that Biden and Mayorkas claims is CLOSED and under control (LMMFAOROFL) |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:02:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It sounds like the ammonium nitrate in the story is the porous, uncoated prills as it was made by an explosives manufacturer. This will absorb diesel fuel or nitromethane well. The denser and/or coated prills are used as fertilizer and do not detonate well due to the coating additives. However, it has nothing to do with making it more difficult to use as an explosive. Ammonium nitrate is deliquescent ie. will absorb moisture from the air until it actually forms a puddle. So the prills are coated to reduce their ability to absorb moisture for better storage life before being spread as fertilizer. Explosive grade AN is more porous for surface area contact with the additional liquid fuel. Fertilizer grade can be coated (CAN-27) but most fertilizer grade AN is polished for surface durability. Ammonia Nitrate has fuel and oxidizer on the molecule but it’s not balanced very well, hence adding a fuel to it. Nitromethane is already a good explosive and just needs air gaps to create compression hot spots and it will propagate an explosive wave. Which is why pure nitromethane is not shipped by rail car any longer owing to an incident with someone slapping closed a valve creating a “water hammer” shock wave that ignited/detonated the rail car. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 8:23:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Explosive grade AN is more porous for surface area contact with the additional liquid fuel. Fertilizer grade can be coated (CAN-27) but most fertilizer grade AN is polished for surface durability. Ammonia Nitrate has fuel and oxidizer on the molecule but it’s not balanced very well, hence adding a fuel to it. Nitromethane is already a good explosive and just needs air gaps to create compression hot spots and it will propagate an explosive wave. Which is why pure nitromethane is not shipped by rail car any longer owing to an incident with someone slapping closed a valve creating a “water hammer” shock wave that ignited/detonated the rail car. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It sounds like the ammonium nitrate in the story is the porous, uncoated prills as it was made by an explosives manufacturer. This will absorb diesel fuel or nitromethane well. The denser and/or coated prills are used as fertilizer and do not detonate well due to the coating additives. However, it has nothing to do with making it more difficult to use as an explosive. Ammonium nitrate is deliquescent ie. will absorb moisture from the air until it actually forms a puddle. So the prills are coated to reduce their ability to absorb moisture for better storage life before being spread as fertilizer. Explosive grade AN is more porous for surface area contact with the additional liquid fuel. Fertilizer grade can be coated (CAN-27) but most fertilizer grade AN is polished for surface durability. Ammonia Nitrate has fuel and oxidizer on the molecule but it’s not balanced very well, hence adding a fuel to it. Nitromethane is already a good explosive and just needs air gaps to create compression hot spots and it will propagate an explosive wave. Which is why pure nitromethane is not shipped by rail car any longer owing to an incident with someone slapping closed a valve creating a “water hammer” shock wave that ignited/detonated the rail car. The best additive to sensitize nitromethane is 5% ethylene diamine, AKA Picatinny Liquid Explosive (PLX). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PLX This has been used in, among other things, butterfly mines. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 12:01:50 AM EDT
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What ever came of this? did they locate it?
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Posted: 6/7/2023 9:49:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What ever came of this? did they locate it? It’s in the ballast. |
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Posted: 6/7/2023 10:00:39 PM EDT
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Much ado over nothing. It's shipped in hopper cars, hopper gates leak product enroute all the time.
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Posted: 6/8/2023 2:35:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Much ado over nothing. It's shipped in hopper cars, hopper gates leak product enroute all the time. Piles of rotting grain/corn/soybeans in switch yards are my favorite. 
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Posted: 6/8/2023 3:10:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/8/2023 4:49:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would imagine it has more to do with $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ than terror. That's a fuck ton of money. Going around $800 a ton around here. I wish they would bring me a couple of tons. Good fertilizer. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 5:32:57 AM EDT
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Context is everything .
To a terrorist or somebody trying to defeat terrorism 30 tons of AN is a sizeable amount . To a large scale farmer , not so much. |
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Posted: 6/8/2023 5:48:37 AM EDT
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You guys are crazing think it's been taken for explosives. I bet some farmer cleaned that shit out for his crops fertilizer is one of their biggest expenses now!!
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Posted: 6/8/2023 5:49:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Much ado over nothing. It's shipped in hopper cars, hopper gates leak product enroute all the time. This. These type cars are often dropped off at my work. I've watched our guys go out and unload the cars. The bottom gates on each hopper section have to be opened with a big pnuematic tool. I'm guessing it's a rack and pinion mechanism that requires a lot of torque. The material drops down a hatch that is between the rails on our siding track. Under the siding hatch is a horizontal auger. The auger pushes the material in the plant. There is no way someone nabbed 30 tons by shovelling it into a dozen dump trucks. I'm guessing some dipshit at the loading yard failed to close the bottom gates properly. The material was likely metered out slowly over a few hundred miles in transit. It's ammonia nitrate. It is a common ferilizer that can also double duty for bombs. If not for that latter characteristic, this might not have made the news. |
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