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Posted: 2/26/2021 9:35:20 PM EDT
I've been trying to buy one of the new smith and wesson .357 mag model 19 classics for about 5 months. And I can't find one anywhere except on gunbroker for 200 to 400 over msrp. I set an alert for a bunch of websites to notify me when they are in stock. I got an email from grabagun.com tonight saying it was in stock for 863 dollars. (which is the exact msrp listed on smith and wesson's website). I got my order in as fast as I could and they were gone within 15 minutes of me placing my order and they now show sold out again. I don't get why people are hoarding 6 shooters though. With Biden in office, I can understand panic buying ak's and ar15's, but revolvers will be one of the last things they ban. I don't get it, but im very excited to be a new owner of a model 19.
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Quoted: What pics? I don't have the gun yet. I got my online order placed and confirmed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Pics not loading What pics? I don't have the gun yet. I got my online order placed and confirmed. There ya go. And I didn't even buy one. Attached File |
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This old guy was an armorer for smith and wesson and he hand built the original model 19's in the 1970's. He says the claim that they dont build them like they used to is nonsense. The new classic model that just came out a few years ago is better built and tougher in every single way you can list according to him. And this video helped me make up my mind on whether I wanted an actual old classic model or the new "classic" model.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h9l2ipiKf4 |
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Quoted: But is has a lock though View Quote Yes. I'm not thrilled about that and I see no reason for it. But the issues and horror stories of them locking up on their own have not happened in many years. I think s&w have recognized and fixed that problem because it hasn't been an issue for quite a while. At about 15 minutes and 30 seconds into the video is when he goes into detail on how and why the new one is more durable and reliable than the old one. |
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Quoted: This old guy was an armorer for smith and wesson and he hand built the original model 19's in the 1970's. He says the claim that they dont build them like they used to is nonsense. The new classic model that just came out a few years ago is better built and tougher in every single way you can list according to him. And this video helped me make up my mind on whether I wanted an actual old classic model or the new "classic" model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h9l2ipiKf4 View Quote How much did they have to pay him to say that? |
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I didn't watch the video before I posted but I have now. I think most of the allure of older smiths can be understood by watching that video you posted. Those pistols were more so built by hand. The hours of hand tuning them to make them what they were/are is why the are some of the most coveted pistols.
Sure, today's tech makes this much more easy but that sort of takes away from the overall "quality" of the firearm. I would rather have a hand tuned older smith that was just a bunch of junky parts that wouldn't work (pulled from that video) until a master at his craft made them all work together than most of today's firearms. |
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Nice score but damn revolver prices are stupid high these days
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Bought an SP101 for MSRP the other day and didn’t think anything of it. Wanted a .357 for a woods gun sidearm, it was available and so I bought it.
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Quoted: Nice score but damn revolver prices are stupid high these days View Quote Yes. I agree. And I have no idea why I wanted this thing so bad.. I'm not gonna conceal carry it. It's not optimal for home defense. I have no other explanation other than I really want it. I have a no mim/no dash 686 that was made in the early 80's. It's an awesome gun thats very accurate and fun to shoot. |
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Quoted: This old guy was an armorer for smith and wesson and he hand built the original model 19's in the 1970's. He says the claim that they dont build them like they used to is nonsense. The new classic model that just came out a few years ago is better built and tougher in every single way you can list according to him. And this video helped me make up my mind on whether I wanted an actual old classic model or the new "classic" model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h9l2ipiKf4 View Quote I’ve seen reviews that say the new ones are very good.... however there’s still that fucking hole above the cylinder release. |
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Quoted: I've seen reviews that say the new ones are very good.... however there's still that fucking hole above the cylinder release. View Quote https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2426997_A-Cure-for-that-Hideous-Blemish-on-Your-Smith-and-Wesson.html |
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Quoted: OP needs this https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2426997_A-Cure-for-that-Hideous-Blemish-on-Your-Smith-and-Wesson.html View Quote I ‘seen’ that. I recently got a 610 with the hole...thinking about getting one. |
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Quoted: I’ve seen reviews that say the new ones are very good.... however there’s still that fucking hole above the cylinder release. View Quote Yes and the old ones recommended only using .357 magnum on occasion. The new one says its ok to give it a steady diet of the hottest .357 magnum loads you can get. |
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@DaddyShark, the Wheel Guns are flying off the shelves because they're reliable and capable. A .357 K-Frsme is still a fine house gun and even a CCW piece. Also, people think they won't be initially targeted and they're more than likely to weather a Biden Ban. So, folks are snatching them up as an insurance against any future gun bans. Lastly, the novices find the simplicity of not having to buy magazines a good thing on their wallets. Personally for me, for that money, I can buy original S&W Model 19s.
Anways.... right now, just about anything self defense related is in hot demand. Revolvers, Pump Shotguns, Lever Actions, Semiautomatic Pistols & Long Guns, etc.... |
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Quoted: @DaddyShark, the Wheel Guns are flying off the shelves because they're reliable and capable. A .357 K-Frsme is still a fine house gun and even a CCW piece. Also, people think they won't be initially targeted and they're more than likely to weather a Biden Ban. So, folks are snatching them up as an insurance against any future gun bans. Lastly, the novices find the simplicity of not having to buy magazines a good thing on their wallets. Personally for me, for that money, I can buy original S&W Model 19s. Anways.... right now, just about anything self defense related is in hot demand. Revolvers, Pump Shotguns, Lever Actions, Semiautomatic Pistols & Long Guns, etc.... View Quote I watched a salesman at Cabelas pushing P210 on a very obvious first time gun buyer because they had nothing else in stock a few months ago. |
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Quoted: @DaddyShark, the Wheel Guns are flying off the shelves because they're reliable and capable. A .357 K-Frsme is still a fine house gun and even a CCW piece. Also, people think they won't be initially targeted and they're more than likely to weather a Biden Ban. So, folks are snatching them up as an insurance against any future gun bans. Lastly, the novices find the simplicity of not having to buy magazines a good thing on their wallets. Personally for me, for that money, I can buy original S&W Model 19s. Anways.... right now, just about anything self defense related is in hot demand. Revolvers, Pump Shotguns, Lever Actions, Semiautomatic Pistols & Long Guns, etc.... View Quote That thinking is kind of dumb about surviving a ban. I hope they don't do it, but a new assault weapons ban is certainly possible with biden (auto correct capitalized his name, and I changed that), but anyways I don't see confiscation happening. They know there's way too many people, probably in the millions that would go down fighting if the gov knocked on their door and asked for what they already have. That's not really an option realistically with this country. But the sale of any new ones, parts, and the sale and transfer of mags with a capacity beyond 10 being banned is a real possibility. Which is crazy because I can still get 30 round pmags at a reasonable price.. I have plenty of 30 rounders but they stay at home most of the time and do nothing. Because I actually prefer my 20 rounders when I'm shooting on the range. Works out perfectly. It's easier to shoot sitting at a bench since its close to level with the rest of the rifle and one 20 round mag= one 20 round box of ammo. No half boxes and loose rounds all over the place when I do it that way. |
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Quoted: Yes. I agree. And I have no idea why I wanted this thing so bad.. I'm not gonna conceal carry it. It's not optimal for home defense. I have no other explanation other than I really want it. I have a no mim/no dash 686 that was made in the early 80's. It's an awesome gun thats very accurate and fun to shoot. View Quote You wanted it because it's a gorgeous piece and harkens back to a day when a man's weapons were of steel and wood. And why in God's good name is a .357 Maggaggie not good for home defense??? |
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Quoted: I'll still rate my 19-3's over the new ones. Glad you are happy though OP. https://i.imgur.com/wrufNNh.jpg View Quote yep - I will keep gramps 19-3... handle it a lot, shoot it a little. the Colt trooper gets fed the most out of all- w/ lower power 38 wadcutters... |
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Quoted: I'll still rate my 19-3's over the new ones. Glad you are happy though OP. https://i.imgur.com/wrufNNh.jpg View Quote Pretty much everyone is going to rate the older anything as being superior to the newer anything, aren't they? Especially when it comes to steel? Gorgeous guns, btw! |
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You wanted the gun, you found one, and it wasn't priced over MSRP. If you feel good about it, that's all that matters. It doesn't matter what anyone else says.
Enjoy your new wheel-gun and post pics when you pick it up! |
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Quoted: OP needs this https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2426997_A-Cure-for-that-Hideous-Blemish-on-Your-Smith-and-Wesson.html View Quote Brilliant! If I had any post-lock S&Ws, every one would have that on it. |
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The lock is dumb and needs to go. I think we can all agree on that.
That said, I watched the whole video. It was interesting to hear what he had to say. He went into a lot of detail about the changes that have been made and seems to think the new guns are greatly improved over the old ones. |
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I have several Colt and SW revolvers from 50 to 75 years ago. When I find someone who has only ever owned a Glock, I hand them a revolver and have them try it on single action. The expression on their face is priceless.
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Call me Old Fashioned, but I like my firing pin on my hammer. It's a more desirable feature (to me) than being P & R.
19-3, 19-4 is best 19. |
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I have a 66-3. The K frame revolvers are where it's at. I wouldn't hesitate buying from the Classic line of revolvers. Enjoy your purchase.
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Quoted: How much did they have to pay him to say that? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This old guy was an armorer for smith and wesson and he hand built the original model 19's in the 1970's. He says the claim that they dont build them like they used to is nonsense. The new classic model that just came out a few years ago is better built and tougher in every single way you can list according to him. And this video helped me make up my mind on whether I wanted an actual old classic model or the new "classic" model. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h9l2ipiKf4 How much did they have to pay him to say that? The Fluff......I was waiting for you or Miami to chime in. |
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Quoted: Brilliant! If I had any post-lock S&Ws, every one would have that on it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Brilliant! If I had any post-lock S&Ws, every one would have that on it. I used these back when Bullseye Smith produced them. Took that stupid flag out and threw it like a frisbee into the trash can. I got pretty good at that frisbee throw. Link |
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Quoted: And MIM parts. View Quote MIM parts are much better than the used to be. Not too many years ago they were still figuring it out and they were junk. Now you'll be hard pressed to find a power tool that doesn't have MIM gears, for example, even Hilti have switched over. A MIM part isn't for every application but there are lots that it's absolutely fine for. |
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Quoted: MIM parts are much better than the used to be. Not too many years ago they were still figuring it out and they were junk. Now you'll be hard pressed to find a power tool that doesn't have MIM gears, for example, even Hilti have switched over. A MIM part isn't for every application but there are lots that it's absolutely fine for. View Quote I got some of the Classics about 15 years ago......they are fine. Never had a problem with any of them but, as I said above, I IMMEDIATELY discarded that stupid lock and installed a "Plug". Easy to do. My favorite is the 1917 Classic Model 22 in .45acp (I put on larger grips though, the standard grips are too small if you have large hands). No longer in production currently. |
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@DaddyShark
Glad you are happy with your purchase. Still sad that S&W still uses the lock, but so be it. I’m very happy with my Classic M29. Also enjoy my M19-4 (prolly paid more than its worth) Point being, screw the haters. Just enjoy. Attached File |
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Suposedly the new K frames are sturdier than the old ones. May be true but the lock and the two piece barrels are not something I want.
That said I prefer the older S&W with the hammer mounted firing pins. |
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