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Posted: 11/10/2020 3:28:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest: People who have never fired a tank in anger don't get to define jack shit. Sweden can call it a gay bath house and probably be closer to the truth than tank. Even the Brit Mk 4s in WW1 had better fields of fire. It does have a built in sauna function and there were quite a few Swedes with combat experience. |
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Posted: 11/10/2020 5:45:39 PM EDT
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Quote History"HOLY 1970's FLASHBACK"! As soon as I saw the word 'GOER', this Monty Python skit popped into my head, LOL!  Nudge Nudge Monty Python |
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Posted: 11/10/2020 5:52:11 PM EDT
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CSB.
Used to say 'A Nods as good as a Wink to a Blind bat' to a few Hillbilly friends. WAY over their heads, they practically begged me to know what it meant. I'll bet I let it go on for over a year before I painfully explained it. And it still took awhile! Great Folks though. |
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Posted: 11/10/2020 6:35:39 PM EDT
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 A Type-74 MBT showing off its hydropneumatic suspension.  Leopard 1A6 - with 120mm gun.  ZTZ-96 |
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Posted: 11/10/2020 6:56:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swede1986: The S-tank wasn't noticeably slower on target than other tanks of that era.  on a narrow gun range you might not see as big a difference, a wide open battlefied is a different matter. There is no way that thing is engaging a tank on right flank then switching to a target on it's left in the same 5 seconds it would take an M1. |
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Posted: 11/10/2020 7:26:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest: on a narrow gun range you might not see as big a difference, a wide open battlefied is a different matter. There is no way that thing is engaging a tank on right flank then switching to a target on it's left in the same 5 seconds it would take an M1. The M1 is a tank designed in the late 1970s, the Strv 103 was designed 1956 and built from 1967 to 1971, compare it with the M60 and not the M1. |
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Posted: 11/10/2020 7:28:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest:  How many combat kills does that toy have? How many S tanks were lost in combat? |
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Posted: 11/10/2020 7:43:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: The M1 is a tank designed in the late 1970s, the Strv 103 was designed 1956 and built from 1967 to 1971, compare it with the M60 and not the M1. The 103 served at the same time as both the M60 and M1. But do you really think the 103 going to compete in a 360 degree world against the M60 (15 seconds to rotate 360)? There is a reason nobody makes tanks like that. |
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Posted: 11/10/2020 7:58:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest: The 103 served at the same time as both the M60 and M1. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest: The 103 served at the same time as both the M60 and M1.  There are T-34-85 still in service. But do you really think the 103 going to compete in a 360 degree world against the M60 (15 seconds to rotate 360)? There is a reason nobody makes tanks like that. 103: 22 seconds for a 360° rotation. Not that bad. |
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Posted: 11/10/2020 8:15:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest: The 103 served at the same time as both the M60 and M1. But do you really think the 103 going to compete in a 360 degree world against the M60 (15 seconds to rotate 360)? There is a reason nobody makes tanks like that. |
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Posted: 11/11/2020 12:52:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest: on a narrow gun range you might not see as big a difference, a wide open battlefied is a different matter. There is no way that thing is engaging a tank on right flank then switching to a target on it's left in the same 5 seconds it would take an M1. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Forest: Originally Posted By swede1986: The S-tank wasn't noticeably slower on target than other tanks of that era. on a narrow gun range you might not see as big a difference, a wide open battlefied is a different matter. There is no way that thing is engaging a tank on right flank then switching to a target on it's left in the same 5 seconds it would take an M1. So you're comparing a tank designed to go up against the T-54 with the Abrams? Now you're just trolling. 
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Posted: 11/12/2020 5:57:23 AM EDT
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 Remains of a Merkava after the ammo exploded. |
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Posted: 11/12/2020 6:01:07 AM EDT
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 North Korean MRL |
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Posted: 11/12/2020 6:38:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: How's your hearing?  WHAT?? My steering is fine. |
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Posted: 11/12/2020 3:54:55 PM EDT
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 Challenger 2 with digital camo at Bovington |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 7:16:18 PM EDT
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XM2001 Crusader
 
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Posted: 11/13/2020 7:20:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/13/2020 7:31:41 PM EDT
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I know exactly where that tank is
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Posted: 11/14/2020 5:27:02 PM EDT
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 Aerojet Corporation promotional material regarding DU penetrators |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 7:16:10 PM EDT
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 Leopard 1 cut away display  K2  K1-88 |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 7:24:43 PM EDT
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 Brazil upgraded M3 Stuart with a 90mm gun. Some more information: The strange Stuarts of Brazil The USA’s M3/M5 Stuart family is a fairly well-known tank used by numerous countries during and after WWII. In the case of Brazil, what makes the story interesting is the variety of modifications done to Stuarts decades after WWII had ended.  X1A2 Carcara tank of the 1980s; the last member of the M3 family tree  |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 8:11:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: There are T-34-85 still in service. 103: 22 seconds for a 360° rotation. Not that bad. Now compare time to do a 360 rotation of the gun whilst moving... |
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Posted: 11/14/2020 8:41:06 PM EDT
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103 can turn 180° in less than 2 seconds with a good driver.
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Posted: 11/15/2020 2:20:42 PM EDT
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 Before Sweden decided to get the Leo 2, they had their own MBT program, this is a mockup of the STRV 2000, main armament a 140mm gun, Secondary armament a bofors 40mm AKAN. there were many concepts in the STRV 2000 program, but this is the only mockup made. |
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Posted: 11/16/2020 5:04:22 PM EDT
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  Udes 03, early 1970s  Simba TOW    SO-122 - they even put T-34-85 engines in the Shermans.    T-54 with M18 Hellcat turret, Bosnia, mid 1990s |
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Posted: 11/16/2020 5:23:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNow THAT is an interesting design, but good choice on the Leo II |
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Posted: 11/17/2020 10:30:53 AM EDT
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I guess the Leopard 2 was cheaper on the long run.
 M-95 Degman ( Croatian Prototype MBT) |
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Posted: 11/17/2020 10:41:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: I always thought the M715 was badass. https://www.easternsurplus.net/Documents/Pictures/d40bc4d4-e2ff-45c5-9701-6cf783fbf526-01262018-cropped-2540-00-917-5904%20Green%20Canvas%20Cab%20Top%20for%20M715%20Jeep%20NOS%20(2).jpg Oh dear God that’s beautiful |
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Posted: 11/17/2020 12:58:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: I guess the Leopard 2 was cheaper on the long run. True. The Swedish trials which led to the adoption of the Leo II were drawn out, and eventually the end of the Cold War shut off the funding for anything extravagant. The first plan was Stridsvagn 2000, a domestic supertank capable of taking on anything the Red Army would have for the foreseeable future. That plan was put on ice when the Russians threw in the towel. The Army had to choose between the Strv 2000 and the CV90, and the latter was a more urgent need. The second plan was a 2-tiered force. A modern Western MBT for front-line units, and surplus Soviet T-80s for 2nd line units. For this purpose, the Leo II, Leclerc, and Abrams were tested alongside the T-80. The Chally II was never in the running because the Limeys didn't have the production capacity to fulfill a Swedish order until they were done with production for the British Army. The budget cuts of the 90s changed this though; keeping two different MBTs in service wasn't possible anymore. At the same time the Krauts were reducing their army, so a lot of surplus Leo IIs entered the market. A deal was made where we leased surplus tanks, while new ones with Swedish-made turrets were produced. This led to Strv 121 (ex Kraut tanks) and Strv 122 (new tanks). The plan was for the German tanks to be returned at the end of the lease, but the Germans had no need for them, so they remain in storage indefinitely. A few have been converted to engineering vehicles. |
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Posted: 11/17/2020 3:26:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2020 4:56:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2020 6:50:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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 Dana M2, 152 Howitzer  Boxer IFV, Lithuania  Puma Schützenpanzer (IFV), Bundeswehr, Germany Even safe for pregnant women. 
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Posted: 11/17/2020 7:15:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: banditbigdog]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/o0Ow8i8.jpg Dana M2, 152 Howitzer https://i.imgur.com/vAYRYG0.jpg Boxer IFV, Lithuania https://i.imgur.com/118DkKJ.jpg Puma Schützenpanzer (IFV), Bundeswehr, Germany Even safe for pregnant women. https://i.imgur.com/mO95dZA.jpg Last one from the end, is that an 88 in the background? |
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Posted: 11/17/2020 8:17:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/NxYK37O.jpg Brazil upgraded M3 Stuart with a 90mm gun. Some more information: The strange Stuarts of Brazil https://i.imgur.com/mWz3DWf.jpg X1A2 Carcara tank of the 1980s; the last member of the M3 family tree wow... that is really cool |
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Posted: 11/17/2020 8:47:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By banditbigdog: Last one from the end, is that an 88 in the background? Yes, M88 recovery vehicle. |
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Posted: 11/17/2020 9:41:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Yes, M88 recovery vehicle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: Originally Posted By banditbigdog: Last one from the end, is that an 88 in the background? Yes, M88 recovery vehicle. I’m 99% sure that’s a Büffel. |
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Posted: 11/17/2020 10:22:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: banditbigdog]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: I’m 99% sure that’s a Büffel. Yeah, those attachment points at the ends of the blade look very similar. The 88s' still badass in my opinion. Introduced in 1961, still in service today. 59, almost 60, years of service for a tracked vehicle, not sure that can be matched, possibly I'm wrong. We had 1 in out unit, thought it was cool the operators carried M3's. |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 6:15:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: I’m 99% sure that’s a Büffel. 100% a Bergepanzer Büffel, based on the Leopard 2. |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 6:30:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike_nds: I always thought the M715 was badass. https://www.easternsurplus.net/Documents/Pictures/d40bc4d4-e2ff-45c5-9701-6cf783fbf526-01262018-cropped-2540-00-917-5904%20Green%20Canvas%20Cab%20Top%20for%20M715%20Jeep%20NOS%20(2).jpg Because it is. |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 9:46:13 AM EDT
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 Spähpanzer Luchs - (Lynx 8x8 amphibious reconnaissance armoured fighting vehicle) The Luchs was so silent it could shadow a marching platoon at night less then 300m away and no soldier noticed it was there. At low speed you could only hear the tires on the ground. |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 1:05:20 PM EDT
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 Granatkastarpansarbandvagn 90. 120mm double-barreled mortar on a CV90 chassis. Years ago the Army tested the AMOS turret on the CV90, but the project was cancelled due to budgetary reasons. A couple of years ago this version entered service instead. It's based on a domestic mortar design from the 90s, and was significantly cheaper than AMOS. AMOS pros: Direct fire capability, higher burst-rate of fire. Grkpbv 90 pros: Lower cost, higher sustained RoF, compatible with STRIX-ammunition. |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 3:41:20 PM EDT
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 Archer Artillery System, Sweden |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 5:42:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 4xGM300m: https://i.imgur.com/KC7bzGE.jpg Spähpanzer Luchs - (Lynx 8x8 amphibious reconnaissance armoured fighting vehicle) The Luchs was so silent it could shadow a marching platoon at night less then 300m away and no soldier noticed it was there. At low speed you could only hear the tires on the ground. Cold War German armor was really cool  
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Posted: 11/18/2020 6:38:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4xGM300m]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By outofbattery: Cold War German armor was really cool Yep, and the sheer mass of tanks and AFVs was staggering, at the end of the cold war 1990 the Bundeswehr had over 15000 AFVs, inclusive 2500 Leopard 1 and 2000 Leopard 2 MBTs. |
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Posted: 11/18/2020 9:31:33 PM EDT
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this thread turned out really awesome... thanks guys...
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Posted: 11/19/2020 1:29:42 PM EDT
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 Infanterikanonvagn 91 16 ton amphibious infantry support vehicle with a 90mm low-pressure cannon. One of these almost ran me over on a night exercise many moons ago. |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 2:05:03 PM EDT
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Taiwanese Type 64 light tank
 Surplus M42 Duster hull with an M18 Hellcat turret. Taiwanese CM-11  M60 hull,M48 turret,M1 fires control |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 6:20:16 PM EDT
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American M38A1C Jeep with DART ATGM-
DART was a ground-launched, rocket-propelled missile guided by a wire control line which unreeled from the missile during flight to provide continuous electrical connection between the missile and ground guidance equipment. Although 105 of these antitank missiles were produced, the system was never deployed. Instead, in 1958, the Army decided to field the French SS-l0 which was cheaper; lighter; smaller; and more manageable, accurate, and reliable than the DART.  
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Posted: 11/19/2020 6:22:42 PM EDT
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American Chaparral / Chapfire self propelled SHORAD system based on LAV-25 APC
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Posted: 11/19/2020 6:24:50 PM EDT
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American Rapid Entry Vehicle-M113's were specifically modified for use in TIF's (mass internment camps).
They had modified 870's with rubber buckshot and 6 crowd control munition launchers. (600 .32 caliber rubber pellets). 
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