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Posted: 3/20/2019 10:33:52 AM EDT
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Best place/deal on genuine CAT? https://www.amazon.com/Tourniquet-Lightweight-Pre-Hospital-Hemorrhage-Registration/dp/B01MS9PDA3 |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 10:59:43 AM EDT
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At the end of the day, the current CoTCCC (and civilian C-TECC) recommendation only lists these TQ's - the CAT, SOFTT-W, and the Canadian EMT. This isn't a committee of retards, and there are years if not decades of data from our conflicts leading to the current standards.
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Posted: 3/20/2019 11:04:02 AM EDT
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There’s some in the EE right now, about 10 bucks off retail. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/NAR-Gen-7-CAT-tourniquets/126-1861713/ |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 11:24:18 AM EDT
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There are to many fakes out there to trust anything but a reliable source. Amazon alone has dozens of fakes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's some in the EE right now, about 10 bucks off retail. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Equipment-Exchange/NAR-Gen-7-CAT-tourniquets/126-1861713/ |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 12:18:08 PM EDT
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Fucking THIS. Saving 10 bucks doesn't balance with possibly getting a fake and having a loved one die. Get it from NORTH AMERICAN RESCUE. Yep. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 12:20:31 PM EDT
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Fucking THIS. Saving 10 bucks doesn't balance with possibly getting a fake and having a loved one die. Get it from NORTH AMERICAN RESCUE. Yep. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 12:23:13 PM EDT
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Rats are junk and CATs have been proven effective not only in testing but also in real world scenarios. Lots of people alive today thanks to CATs. Easy to use. Easy to train. Easy to maintain. Don't waste your time with anything else unless you plan on getting advanced medical training. (I'm referring to the SOF-T. Another great tourniquet...just not as commonly used.) |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 12:24:10 PM EDT
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I used a CAT from my IFAK on a motorcycle rider who was T-boned and had his lower right leg damn-near traumatically amputated. His wife said the med flight guys told her it saved his life. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 12:31:36 PM EDT
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Or Medical Gear Outfitters. SkinnyMedic is good people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fucking THIS. Saving 10 bucks doesn't balance with possibly getting a fake and having a loved one die. Get it from NORTH AMERICAN RESCUE. Yep. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 12:36:35 PM EDT
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550 cord and M16 or M4 cleaning kit rod |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 12:41:12 PM EDT
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1” ratchet strap
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Posted: 3/20/2019 12:49:17 PM EDT
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I’m not a medic or medically trained beyond CPR.
I have a CAT in my car kit bag and a SOFTT in my range bag at the recommendation of medics both military and civilian. I practice placing and positioning with both but fortunately I’ve never had to use one. Hope I never have to either. I know nothing about the RAT and at this point don’t care to, either. ETA I don’t have the SOFTT wide but I think I’m going to grab one. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 12:53:50 PM EDT
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Hope you're planning on a few wraps of that 550 cord before you start applying pressure with your improvised windlass. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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550 cord and M16 or M4 cleaning kit rod Save $30, or a life? Train up is KISS level for the CAT, and it is an effective tool. I'm not saying that the military and first responders are ruhtards, but I is one, so...let's just say I speak from a position of authority and experience here. Seriously though, when you are traing masses of indivviduals with little to no prior medical experience, you need effective LCD tools. The CAT fits those requirements. If you are not a ruhtard, apply what you know if it is applicable for the situation. But when you're carrying someone across a freshly plowed field to a waiting helicopter, whether that is because they got an arm torn off by a PTO or because they got shot, I want the guys who have no real med experience to have the most effective, simple tools available. For what it does, the CAT (and SOFTT-W) is simple, fast, and cheap. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 12:55:57 PM EDT
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Recon Medical makes a CAT type TQ that is excellent quality and half the price. You can get them here. https://www.amazon.com/Tourniquet-Lightweight-Pre-Hospital-Hemorrhage-Registration/dp/B01MS9PDA3 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 3/20/2019 12:59:37 PM EDT
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Anyone got a recommendation on a put together kit to throw in the car? I've got a molle pouch w/ an assortment of stuff that I use in the range bag.
Like to buy something already put together to throw in the car. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 1:04:02 PM EDT
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I'm just saying to stick with a actual North American Rescue made CAT. That is the only thing the US military officially uses. Doesn't matter what vendor you buy it from, as long it's an authentic NAR made tourniquet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fucking THIS. Saving 10 bucks doesn't balance with possibly getting a fake and having a loved one die. Get it from NORTH AMERICAN RESCUE. Yep. Not everyone has the funds to spend $30 for each TQ. With the money you save you can buy more (increasing the places you keep them and ensuring you have 1 when you need one) or put the savings towards something else. YMMV |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 1:05:01 PM EDT
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Anyone got a recommendation on a put together kit to throw in the car? I've got a molle pouch w/ an assortment of stuff that I use in the range bag. Like to buy something already put together to throw in the car. ETA: looks like the VOK is OOS. I would then suggest you buy some gauze (to pack wounds), a H- Bandage, Chest decompression needle (if you don’t know how to use it, maybe someone else near you does and can use it), quick clot gauze or sponge, CAT TQ, Hyfin chest seals, sharpie, and a size 28 NPA tube with lube, duct tape, and trauma sheers. I think that’s pretty complete. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 1:09:59 PM EDT
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Anyone got a recommendation on a put together kit to throw in the car? I've got a molle pouch w/ an assortment of stuff that I use in the range bag. Like to buy something already put together to throw in the car. Orca IFAK pouch (come in a variety of colors) 2 pack of the Recon medical gen 3 TQ 6 inch Israeli dressing These are singles but I carry 2 in each kit. NAR vented chest seals (2pk) Trauma sheers (2pk) For tape I like this. Very rugged and sticks very well Add whatever hemostatic agent you prefer. I prefer the tri fold style gauge, not the granular. Also you can get some basic bandaging supplies like 4x4's, 5x9's, rolls of kling and/or Kerlix/sports wrap and so on at your local fatmart. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 1:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Recon Medical makes a CAT type TQ that is excellent quality and half the price. You can get them here. https://www.amazon.com/Tourniquet-Lightweight-Pre-Hospital-Hemorrhage-Registration/dp/B01MS9PDA3 |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 1:53:04 PM EDT
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Don't care. Jeff Kirkham is a good guy. Former SF too. Don't blame him for pimping his product. I think I'll buy a couple of RATS for my bag. 
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Posted: 3/20/2019 1:56:11 PM EDT
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Is this the same clown that wrote the article about how the AR15 is a terrible rifle?
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Posted: 3/20/2019 1:57:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go check out the Readyman YT channel, watch some videos, then come back and tell me he's not a good guy. Check out the TwistRate channel too while you're at it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Go check out the Readyman YT channel, watch some videos, then come back and tell me he's not a good guy. Check out the TwistRate channel too while you're at it. Quoted: Dang, son...did your momma invent the CAT or something? You seem to be taking this awfully personally. Seriously, go check out the Readyman YouTube channel, watch a few videos, then come back and see if you can say one nice thing about Jeff Kirkham. I'll even buy a CAT a long with my RATs. Go on. ETA....I see I better put my flame suit on. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 1:58:52 PM EDT
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Even if the RAT was okay, I so greatly dislike this sort of "marketing" (which certainly approaches if not crosses the line into actual libel or slander) that I would never buy a RAT at this point anyway.
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:01:54 PM EDT
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Is this the same clown that wrote the article about how the AR15 is a terrible rifle? |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:12:11 PM EDT
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Or Medical Gear Outfitters. SkinnyMedic is good people. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fucking THIS. Saving 10 bucks doesn't balance with possibly getting a fake and having a loved one die. Get it from NORTH AMERICAN RESCUE. Yep. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:15:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go check out the Readyman YT channel, watch some videos, then come back and tell me he's not a good guy. Check out the TwistRate channel too while you're at it. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:21:35 PM EDT
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Yep, still $30 a pop.
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:22:28 PM EDT
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Wish I could find it now, but I believe in the medical training forum someone linked an article about TQs for kids. Short version, based on "average" kids sizes, a CAT will work on a kid from about 3 months old and up.
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:25:56 PM EDT
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The ones linked at the top of this page from Recon Medical are just as good for half the price (or less if you buy in bulk). Get one and compare them side by side. Not everyone has the funds to spend $30 for each TQ. With the money you save you can buy more (increasing the places you keep them and ensuring you have 1 when you need one) or put the savings towards something else. YMMV Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fucking THIS. Saving 10 bucks doesn't balance with possibly getting a fake and having a loved one die. Get it from NORTH AMERICAN RESCUE. Yep. Not everyone has the funds to spend $30 for each TQ. With the money you save you can buy more (increasing the places you keep them and ensuring you have 1 when you need one) or put the savings towards something else. YMMV |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:29:50 PM EDT
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It's also not CoTCCC recommended and a knock off of a real NAR CAT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Recon Medical makes a CAT type TQ that is excellent quality and half the price. You can get them here. https://www.amazon.com/Tourniquet-Lightweight-Pre-Hospital-Hemorrhage-Registration/dp/B01MS9PDA3 |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:30:04 PM EDT
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Recon Medical makes a CAT type TQ that is excellent quality and half the price. You can get them here. https://www.amazon.com/Tourniquet-Lightweight-Pre-Hospital-Hemorrhage-Registration/dp/B01MS9PDA3 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Best place/deal on genuine CAT? https://www.amazon.com/Tourniquet-Lightweight-Pre-Hospital-Hemorrhage-Registration/dp/B01MS9PDA3 I seriously question anyone buying TQs off of Amazon |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:30:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit. You find a fucking way. You sell something. You dont buy that 20th Glock. You drink Folgers or Great Value and lay off the Starbucks. You find a fucking way. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:31:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has it been tested CoTCCC? I seriously question anyone buying TQs off of Amazon Lots of knockoffs, but easy to spot. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:32:53 PM EDT
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Has it been tested CoTCCC? I seriously question anyone buying TQs off of Amazon Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Best place/deal on genuine CAT? https://www.amazon.com/Tourniquet-Lightweight-Pre-Hospital-Hemorrhage-Registration/dp/B01MS9PDA3 I seriously question anyone buying TQs off of Amazon |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:36:50 PM EDT
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It is not a knock off, it is it's own product, does not purport itself to be a CAT, and has several improvements over the CAT like a metal windlass. It also uses Kevlar stitching, Sonic welding, ECT. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:37:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:38:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit. You find a fucking way. You sell something. You dont buy that 20th Glock. You drink Folgers or Great Value and lay off the Starbucks. You find a fucking way. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:42:11 PM EDT
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Best place/deal on genuine CAT? https://www.amazon.com/Tourniquet-Lightweight-Pre-Hospital-Hemorrhage-Registration/dp/B01MS9PDA3 I seriously question anyone buying TQs off of Amazon I'll go ahead and take their opinion of medical equipment into strong consideration. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:05:41 PM EDT
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I have. The thing about kids too little for the TQ is that you can use hand to encircle their limb and place pressure on the brachial artery until you can place a piece of rolled gauze under the TQ to provide what is essentially a "pressure point" type of bleeding control (not di re ct pressure as I mentioned in a previous post). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what’s the best tq for 6 year old girl limbs? Thanks I will experiment with that as well. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:07:43 PM EDT
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Feels very schily in here today.
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:14:12 PM EDT
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It's a knockoff and you're butthurt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It is not a knock off, it is it's own product, does not purport itself to be a CAT, and has several improvements over the CAT like a metal windlass. It also uses Kevlar stitching, Sonic welding, ECT. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:26:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing wrong with it if you check who is selling it. Lots of knockoffs, but easy to spot. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:30:12 PM EDT
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Bullshit. You find a fucking way. You sell something. You dont buy that 20th Glock. You drink Folgers or Great Value and lay off the Starbucks. You find a fucking way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fucking THIS. Saving 10 bucks doesn't balance with possibly getting a fake and having a loved one die. Get it from NORTH AMERICAN RESCUE. Yep. Not everyone has the funds to spend $30 for each TQ. With the money you save you can buy more (increasing the places you keep them and ensuring you have 1 when you need one) or put the savings towards something else. YMMV I have and IMO they are the same as far as quality goes. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:39:02 PM EDT
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A friend of mine owns a firearms/medical training company.
He trains police, ADA's, etc. Well he had a class not too long ago about how to respond to active killers. 3 police and a few others show up. He goes thru the day and at one point asks if any of them had trauma kits like tourniquets on them. The police did and showed them to him. Much to everyone's alarm he announced they were fake knock-off's. Police were like "these were department issued." He says "ok. Try placing it on your leg and tighten it." They got one rotation and the windlass snapped in half.. 
So not all tourniquets are good. If you see a website saying "ten tourniquets for $10", you had better flee the area. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:39:55 PM EDT
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I bought a bunch of CAT tourniquets as that's the one we're issued.
I'm not a doctor or a medic, so I just buy what I know will work. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:45:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @FAIL-SAFE Have you had the NAR and Recon medical TQ's in your hand side by side to compare them, yes or no? I have and IMO they are the same as far as quality goes. I'm very happy with them and I have a bag(s) with tons of real CATs SOFT-W, etc.... |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:46:56 PM EDT
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My current two tourniquets are probably not for anything other than a very small child after reading what y’all said (no they aren’t RATs, just some quick release elastic thing).
After reading this thread I bought a four pack of the Recons off Amazon for $49 shipped to my door. I can’t even get two of the other ones for that. Even with the image of me or the kid bleeding to death I doubt my wife would have sprung for “hey honey can i blow $120 plus shipping on some things we might use one day hopefully never?” The original version of the Recon may not have been good but the current one with the aluminum windlass seems gtg from reading the reviews, some cops and ems folks have used the current version with good results. I hear the “what’s your life worth?” argument, but I choose to not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. If this tq matches the description it will be perfectly adequate. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:47:15 PM EDT
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A belt and a stick.
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:49:33 PM EDT
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Or Medical Gear Outfitters. SkinnyMedic is good people. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 3:49:37 PM EDT
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A friend of mine owns a firearms/medical training company. He trains police, ADA's, etc. Well he had a class not too long ago about how to respond to active killers. 3 police and a few others show up. He goes thru the day and at one point asks if any of them had trauma kits like tourniquets on them. The police did and showed them to him. Much to everyone's alarm he announced they were fake knock-off's. Police were like "these were department issued." He says "ok. Try placing it on your leg and tighten it." They got one rotation and the windlass snapped in half..
So not all tourniquets are good. If you see a website saying "ten tourniquets for $10", you had better flee the area. They have an aluminum windlass, Kevlar stitching and are labeled with a lot number and mfg date. |
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