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Posted: 7/29/2018 9:49:51 AM EDT
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This is one of the reasons they keep wanting to get rid of cash. That way they could eliminate the black market and squeeze people for all the taxes they want. Black markets are just a sign that the system of above board commerce isn't serving the market. Don't ask me how I know. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 9:52:03 AM EDT
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Yet GD tells me that if pot is legalized and taxed then all the criminal behavior that surrounds the drug trade will disappear. Call me NOT surprised. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Link Buttleggers love New York. That's because it is fertile ground for their illegal activities, since it is now more expensive than ever to buy smokes in the Big Apple. New York has "the worst smuggling problem in America," said Scott Drenkard, with the Tax Foundation. The least one can now legally pay for a pack in New York City is $13, which was recently raised from $10.50. "For someone who smokes cigarettes regularly, cigarettes [for a month] can cost as much as two months' worth of groceries, family cell phone bills for a year, or a vacation," according to Dr. Mary Travis Bassett, New York City Health and Mental Hygiene Commissioner. Cigarette taxes and a new minimum price rule have raised the price of a pack by about 200 percent over the past decade. Call me NOT surprised. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 9:57:39 AM EDT
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The article says: "With already almost the highest cigarette taxes in the nation, New York officials haven’t added more taxes. Instead, they now require sellers raise the minimum price of a pack by $2.50." Where are the taxes higher and why aren't we hearing about that place? Not that I give a shit, tried smoking as a kid(doesn't everyone?) and decided to pass. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 9:58:01 AM EDT
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This is one of the reasons they keep wanting to get rid of cash. That way they could eliminate the black market and squeeze people for all the taxes they want. Black markets are just a sign that the system of above board commerce isn't serving the market. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 9:58:28 AM EDT
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LOL, WTF, same difference, tax is based on the sale price, so NY makes them raise the price, tax it. Everyone wins! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The article says: "With already almost the highest cigarette taxes in the nation, New York officials haven't added more taxes. Instead, they now require sellers raise the minimum price of a pack by $2.50." Where are the taxes higher and why aren't we hearing about that place? Not that I give a shit, tried smoking as a kid(doesn't everyone?) and decided to pass. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 9:59:12 AM EDT
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And a barter system would spring up with a cryptocurrency. Tide Laundry Detergent was very popular for small level ghetto drug dealers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is one of the reasons they keep wanting to get rid of cash. That way they could eliminate the black market and squeeze people for all the taxes they want. Black markets are just a sign that the system of above board commerce isn't serving the market. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 10:08:39 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/29/2018 10:19:30 AM EDT
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Absolutely. There is plenty of video documenting the procedure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will the NYPD choke me to death for selling them? |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 10:23:17 AM EDT
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Did ny beat down the Indian reservations on the tax? I thought the reservations used to offer mail order cigs with the bonus of no tax. All the states went nuts over the loss of the revenue and a bunch threatened to sue the reservations or something.
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Posted: 7/29/2018 10:24:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYeah, but the stupid idiots are stealing post-ban Tide, not the pre-ban formula.
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Posted: 7/29/2018 10:28:15 AM EDT
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Even small differences create the issue. For example, gas prices in Kansas are higher than in Missouri, so people that are close to the state line in the Kansas City area often come over from Kansas to Missouri to fill up and cigs are cheaper in MO too. You can save several dollars per fill up and the same on cigs.
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Posted: 7/29/2018 10:29:11 AM EDT
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Selling out of state cigarettes has been going on for a very long time, this isn't new.
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Posted: 7/29/2018 10:41:12 AM EDT
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Well, if NYC had a wall around it and strict border controls they wouldn't have to worry about such things.
 
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Posted: 7/29/2018 10:59:43 AM EDT
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Can we sell them cigarette kits like selling magazines to California? Let them assemble them into a taxed box? How about cutting 2/3rds of the length off?  |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 11:02:11 AM EDT
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This is nothing new. In North Carolina, Highway 301 and now I-95 has been lined with cigarette stores to catch the snowbirds shuttling back and forth between Florida and New York. Managers from the PX would even help me load the van |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 11:07:13 AM EDT
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Yet GD tells me that if pot is legalized and taxed then all the criminal behavior that surrounds the drug trade will disappear. Call me NOT surprised. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Link Buttleggers love New York. That’s because it is fertile ground for their illegal activities, since it is now more expensive than ever to buy smokes in the Big Apple. New York has “the worst smuggling problem in America,” said Scott Drenkard, with the Tax Foundation. The least one can now legally pay for a pack in New York City is $13, which was recently raised from $10.50. “For someone who smokes cigarettes regularly, cigarettes [for a month] can cost as much as two months’ worth of groceries, family cell phone bills for a year, or a vacation,” according to Dr. Mary Travis Bassett, New York City Health and Mental Hygiene Commissioner. Cigarette taxes and a new minimum price rule have raised the price of a pack by about 200 percent over the past decade. Call me NOT surprised. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 11:08:28 AM EDT
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Did ny beat down the Indian reservations on the tax? I thought the reservations used to offer mail order cigs with the bonus of no tax. All the states went nuts over the loss of the revenue and a bunch threatened to sue the reservations or something. Since he couldn't make the Indians do what he wanted, he went after the supply chain. He did manage to get the law changed so that the distributors of smokes pay the tax before it goes to the stores, and pass the cost on to the store. That meant the smokes were taxes before the Tribes got them when it came to name brands. Their own smokes are made at a Reservation somewhere, so they just switched to only selling only their own brand, which is exempt from the tax. I have no idea about the mail order, but I think that got shut down somehow. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 11:32:46 AM EDT
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I'm sorry your friends are retarded. Please, offer them my condolences. I should have said "many proponents of legalization with an IQ above their shoe size" instead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There's precious little criminal activity surrounding virtually ALL other property that ISN'T punitively taxed. I don't think you've seen many proponents of legalization who ALSO champion the cause of levying taxes of multiple hundreds of percent over the value of the product in order to justify allowing it to be sold. You'd have to be a moron to think people are going to put up with that shit. I should have said "many proponents of legalization with an IQ above their shoe size" instead. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 11:35:56 AM EDT
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Will the NYPD choke me to death for selling them? |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 11:39:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI loved that car from when I saw Rocky buy one.
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Posted: 7/29/2018 11:58:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet GD tells me that if pot is legalized and taxed then all the criminal behavior that surrounds the drug trade will disappear. Call me NOT surprised. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:09:03 PM EDT
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Can you please explain that? |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:11:27 PM EDT
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Sin taxes strike again. Who would have thunk it? If you raise taxes on a product to an arbitrary punitive point that the price no longer reflects the value the people will simply avoid the taxes. Fucking crazy pills the world must be taking. This shit is like economics 101 level stuff. I got a 5 year old kid that could see that coming. Of course, NY has *always* felt they can overcome human behavior through Draconian enforcement, rather than reasonable laws. I'm sure it'll all work out, in the finish. They'll just choke a few hundred "smugglers" to death and eventually their vision will b realized. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:15:17 PM EDT
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And a barter system would spring up with a cryptocurrency. Tide Laundry Detergent was very popular for small level ghetto drug dealers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is one of the reasons they keep wanting to get rid of cash. That way they could eliminate the black market and squeeze people for all the taxes they want. Black markets are just a sign that the system of above board commerce isn't serving the market. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:20:48 PM EDT
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ok, you gotta explain this one to me... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is one of the reasons they keep wanting to get rid of cash. That way they could eliminate the black market and squeeze people for all the taxes they want. Black markets are just a sign that the system of above board commerce isn't serving the market. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:21:41 PM EDT
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They created a market where there was none.
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:24:36 PM EDT
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Wait, hold up. Are you telling me that crazy high taxes on a high demand product that is easy to acquire and sell illegally, has a large black market? No way. I don't buy it. There has to be another reason. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:26:41 PM EDT
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They created a market where there was none. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:29:16 PM EDT
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When I was stationed at Bragg in the 70's, I remember vans toting cigarettes from NC to NY because of the taxes.
Back then they were $0.35/pk in NC and $0.75/pk in NY. They were essentially doubling their money.
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:34:58 PM EDT
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Just do what my FIL does, he buys loose bags of tobacco and has a electric cigarette making machine.
By the time he buys everything he has about $2 in a pack of smokes. I can get a pack for $5, but he likes making his own. If a Pack was $13 here I would make my own or cut back on how many we smoke. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:42:51 PM EDT
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... As if an addict is going to choose fresh kale over their pack of smokes, based solely on tax hikes, and suddenly turn into Warren Buffet. ...
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:48:02 PM EDT
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My FIL buys 16ozs of tobacco for $11 and 200 tubes for $2.79.
The electric cigarette making/loader costs $79. So his cost per carton is $13 and he can make a pack in 20-30 mins even at 74yrs old. He smokes about 1-2 cartons a month so $26 not including his time. And you can even find the filter tobacco combination you like. Not sure how loose bags of tobacco is priced in NY, but still I bet you could roll your own for half the price. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 12:50:09 PM EDT
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https://i.imgur.com/UIGRSXK.gif Quote HistoryImagine if there was a 50% ammo or firearm tax. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:20:31 PM EDT
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My FIL buys 16ozs of tobacco for $11 and 200 tubes for $2.79. The electric cigarette making/loader costs $79. So his cost per carton is $13 and he can make a pack in 20-30 mins even at 74yrs old. He smokes about 1-2 cartons a month so $26 not including his time. And you can even find the filter tobacco combination you like. Not sure how loose bags of tobacco is priced in NY, but still I bet you could roll your own for half the price. 16oz of tabaccy makes about 23 packs of cigs. Your FIL spends about $00.70 per pack. I spend just a touch more for tobacco here in Maine and my cost is $00.80 per pack. ETA: And it only takes me 4:30 to roll a pack with a non electric roller. 
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:20:43 PM EDT
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Just do what my FIL does, he buys loose bags of tobacco and has a electric cigarette making machine. By the time he buys everything he has about $2 in a pack of smokes. I can get a pack for $5, but he likes making his own. If a Pack was $13 here I would make my own or cut back on how many we smoke. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:25:04 PM EDT
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Will the NYPD choke me to death for selling them? if you have all these problems and still decide to be a jackass and fight with them,possibly |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:28:46 PM EDT
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When I was stationed at Bragg in the 70's, I remember vans toting cigarettes from NC to NY because of the taxes.
Back then they were $0.35/pk in NC and $0.75/pk in NY. They were essentially doubling their money.
1972 they were $0.10 a pack, we could get $0.50 a pack easy Biggest sellers in the ghetto were Marlboro, Kools and Newport’s |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:34:28 PM EDT
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do you suffer from acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and hypertensive cardiovascular disease?? if you have all these problems and still decide to be a jackass and fight with them,possibly Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Will the NYPD choke me to death for selling them? if you have all these problems and still decide to be a jackass and fight with them,possibly |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:36:23 PM EDT
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1972 they were $0.10 a pack, we could get $0.50 a pack easy Biggest sellers in the ghetto were Marlboro, Kools and Newport’s Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When I was stationed at Bragg in the 70's, I remember vans toting cigarettes from NC to NY because of the taxes.
Back then they were $0.35/pk in NC and $0.75/pk in NY. They were essentially doubling their money.
1972 they were $0.10 a pack, we could get $0.50 a pack easy Biggest sellers in the ghetto were Marlboro, Kools and Newport’s  
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:37:43 PM EDT
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When I was stationed at Bragg in the 70's, I remember vans toting cigarettes from NC to NY because of the taxes.
Back then they were $0.35/pk in NC and $0.75/pk in NY. They were essentially doubling their money.
1972 they were $0.10 a pack, we could get $0.50 a pack easy Biggest sellers in the ghetto were Marlboro, Kools and Newport's |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:39:17 PM EDT
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“By some estimates, 80 percent of the cigarettes sold in New York City are sold illegally, either over the counter or in the backrooms of bodegas where a typical pack can sell for as little as $8 or $9 instead of the usual $13.”
http://abc7ny.com/news/exclusive-illegal-cigarettes-are-big-business-in-nyc/2094159/ “Rocky Mount police and the Bronx County, New York District Attorney's Office say the scheme involved people buying cigarettes in North Carolina and Virginia for about $50 a carton and then shipping them to the Bronx where cartons retail for about $130 each. The cheap smokes were then sold at bodegas and delis. New York authorities say some 5,000 cartons of cigarettes a week were smuggled from North Carolina and Virginia.” http://www.witn.com/content/news/Two-Rocky-Mount-men-among-21-indicted-in-New-York-cigarette-smuggling-scheme-428657043.html |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:42:17 PM EDT
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"By some estimates, 80 percent of the cigarettes sold in New York City are sold illegally, either over the counter or in the backrooms of bodegas where a typical pack can sell for as little as $8 or $9 instead of the usual $13." http://abc7ny.com/news/exclusive-illegal-cigarettes-are-big-business-in-nyc/2094159/ It's as if they've never seen a Laffer curve. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:43:36 PM EDT
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“By some estimates, 80 percent of the cigarettes sold in New York City are sold illegally, either over the counter or in the backrooms of bodegas where a typical pack can sell for as little as $8 or $9 instead of the usual $13.” http://abc7ny.com/news/exclusive-illegal-cigarettes-are-big-business-in-nyc/2094159/ |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:43:37 PM EDT
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“I can’t breaf”
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:44:23 PM EDT
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It's an interesting paradigm that NY is *so* concerned with forcing the taxation that they're willing to miss out on the actual MONEY from the taxes in an effort to *make* the populace pay a higher tax. They'd seemingly rather chase the criminals than collect the cash. It's as if they've never seen a Laffer curve. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"By some estimates, 80 percent of the cigarettes sold in New York City are sold illegally, either over the counter or in the backrooms of bodegas where a typical pack can sell for as little as $8 or $9 instead of the usual $13." http://abc7ny.com/news/exclusive-illegal-cigarettes-are-big-business-in-nyc/2094159/ It's as if they've never seen a Laffer curve. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:44:39 PM EDT
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“I can’t breaf” I’m calling ICE |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:46:53 PM EDT
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“By some estimates, 80 percent of the cigarettes sold in New York City are sold illegally, either over the counter or in the backrooms of bodegas where a typical pack can sell for as little as $8 or $9 instead of the usual $13.” http://abc7ny.com/news/exclusive-illegal-cigarettes-are-big-business-in-nyc/2094159/ “Rocky Mount police and the Bronx County, New York District Attorney's Office say the scheme involved people buying cigarettes in North Carolina and Virginia for about $50 a carton and then shipping them to the Bronx where cartons retail for about $130 each. The cheap smokes were then sold at bodegas and delis. New York authorities say some 5,000 cartons of cigarettes a week were smuggled from North Carolina and Virginia.” http://www.witn.com/content/news/Two-Rocky-Mount-men-among-21-indicted-in-New-York-cigarette-smuggling-scheme-428657043.html |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:47:06 PM EDT
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Or it's a case where they want everyone to be criminals. They have no control over honest men. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"By some estimates, 80 percent of the cigarettes sold in New York City are sold illegally, either over the counter or in the backrooms of bodegas where a typical pack can sell for as little as $8 or $9 instead of the usual $13." http://abc7ny.com/news/exclusive-illegal-cigarettes-are-big-business-in-nyc/2094159/ It's as if they've never seen a Laffer curve. It's far more likely that the ruling class in NYC is inept, rather than diabolical. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:48:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet GD tells me that if pot is legalized and taxed then all the criminal behavior that surrounds the drug trade will disappear. Call me NOT surprised. |
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Posted: 7/29/2018 1:51:23 PM EDT
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While it's clever plot device in a novel, it's a silly thing to attribute to a municipality. It's far more likely that the ruling class in NYC is inept, rather than diabolical. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"By some estimates, 80 percent of the cigarettes sold in New York City are sold illegally, either over the counter or in the backrooms of bodegas where a typical pack can sell for as little as $8 or $9 instead of the usual $13." http://abc7ny.com/news/exclusive-illegal-cigarettes-are-big-business-in-nyc/2094159/ It's as if they've never seen a Laffer curve. It's far more likely that the ruling class in NYC is inept, rather than diabolical. |
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