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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:53:56 AM EDT
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My cousin tried 3 times. Twice with pills and once with a 45. Point blank in the crest with a 45. Poor shot placement is the only reason that he is still here. Not the same, but still here.
His daughter found him every time. Talk about devastated. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 12:03:39 PM EDT
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 Failed To Load Title ETA well since the "New" Arfcom is fucking broken, heres the link Suicidal Failure |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 12:09:00 PM EDT
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An old girlfriend I had took me to meet her grandfather once. On the way there she was warning me that he was blind and that he would hold out his hand and I should shake it and stuff like that. I asked how he became blind and she just blurted out that he shot himself in the head but failed to finish the job. The story goes that he had a business that was failing and he had tons of debt pile up so he wrote a suicide note and put a pistol to his temple. The bullet went across the front of his face and took out both eyeballs but didn't do any other damage. He lived out the rest of his life with all of the problems he had before but now he was blind on top of it....
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Posted: 12/16/2016 12:10:49 PM EDT
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My cousin tried 3 times. Twice with pills and once with a 45. Point blank in the crest with a 45. Poor shot placement is the only reason that he is still here. Not the same, but still here. His daughter found him every time. Talk about devastated. How is SHE doing now? |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 12:20:13 PM EDT
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I used to shoot matches there in the 90's. People were offing themselves in that place back then. Counter guy told a story about a dude coming in and rents a .38, buys a box of fifty rounds. Goes out on the range and starts shooting. He is the only one out there. Counter guy gets busy then realizes he hasn't heard any shooting for a minute. Looks out on the range. No guy. Knew right then what he was going to find when he opened the door. What cracked me up was as he finished the story he said "But it goes to show our reloads work" Had some good times at those matches. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good old Dayton. In Cincy there is Target World, which apparently is where people go to die. I went there 2 times in a two-year period, and both times I wasn't able to shoot because somebody had shot themselves on the shooting range. Although seeing the prices at Target World, I can understand. I used to shoot matches there in the 90's. People were offing themselves in that place back then. Counter guy told a story about a dude coming in and rents a .38, buys a box of fifty rounds. Goes out on the range and starts shooting. He is the only one out there. Counter guy gets busy then realizes he hasn't heard any shooting for a minute. Looks out on the range. No guy. Knew right then what he was going to find when he opened the door. What cracked me up was as he finished the story he said "But it goes to show our reloads work" Had some good times at those matches. We probably crossed paths, there. Wednesday night IPSC? |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 12:22:09 PM EDT
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Local range had a guy stuff a S&W 500 under his chin. He succeed. Those have been known to double (it's really fucking fast, too), with round #2 going through the melon due to the position of the gun after round #1 recoil. It is possible that it was an accident, not knowing any backstory or particulars. How can a revolver double? The big DA revolvers recoil so much that the mechanics of the hand and gun cause them to double extremely quickly. Like quicker than some machine guns. There's video of it on youtube. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 12:35:25 PM EDT
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What actually happened there? Where did the instructor get hit? Why didn't he grab the gun while it was on the floor? Looked like he was going to, then changed his mind. Run and Hide! It's interesting how people react to life threatening situations. If there was ever a time to go hand to hand, that would be it. Think the instructor did what 99.9% of any of us would have done. I imagine his mind was analyzing millions of scenarios in that instant. Looks like he instinctively reached for the gun, but then drew back. I bet in that instant he realized if she wanted him dead, he'd be dead. He realized she was suicidal, incoherent and didn't even know he was there. If he interfered with her she may have likely freaked and finished him off. He wasn't in an advantageous position gimping on the ground like that. I know arfcom envisions themselves being heroes in these kind of situations but being invisible is often your best chance of survival. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 12:37:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2016 12:38:45 PM EDT
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This happened just this past weekend here. I almost went to use the rifle range that day, but something came up so plans changed.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 12:57:52 PM EDT
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I work in a range, and this is why we don't rent guns to those who come in alone. At one time we had someone who wanted to "try out" a specific model before buying it. Well I wasn't busy and had no classes so I took him in to "give him some pointers" that's my polite way of saying I don't trust you. On the second magazine I watched the gun come up in the direction of his head, at this point I wanted that gun in my hand and him on the floor! We went through the bench with me holding his gun hand and all 200 pounds of me slamming him to the concrete.
Turns out he had just had an altercation with the wife, in either case he didn't need a gun. It got real interesting when is lawyer called, seems he got a bit busted up when we hit. He also got a 3 day supervised say at one of our fine mental health facilities. And was banned for life from our establishment. I really had to give props to a couple of our range members for helping out, now I know what it feels like being on the bottom of a dog pile! And the gun needed to go in for refinishing, they didn't have to kick it down to the 50' line 
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Posted: 12/16/2016 12:58:15 PM EDT
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I responded to a suicide attempt in which an 18 year old male stuck his Dad's 12ga. Remington 1100 under his chin and pulled the trigger in Mom and Dad's walk-in closet. Apparently the barrel was too long, so he cocked his back to get it under his chin. He didn't kill himself, but but blew his bottom jaw completely off, leaving teeth and pieces of tongue, gum and lower lip stuck to the ceiling- the teeth were actually stuck in the ceiling. He looked like one of Michon's zombie pets from Walking Dead. He was conscious and alert. With his jaw no longer in the way why didn't he re chamber and try again? |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 1:20:53 PM EDT
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It is not un common for a woman to shoot herself in place other than her head because even in death most women are still concerned with appearance
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Posted: 12/16/2016 1:36:03 PM EDT
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It is not un common for a woman to shoot herself in place other than her head because even in death most women are still concerned with appearance Vanity's a bitch. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 1:46:59 PM EDT
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I responded to a suicide attempt in which an 18 year old male stuck his Dad's 12ga. Remington 1100 under his chin and pulled the trigger in Mom and Dad's walk-in closet. Apparently the barrel was too long, so he cocked his back to get it under his chin. He didn't kill himself, but but blew his bottom jaw completely off, leaving teeth and pieces of tongue, gum and lower lip stuck to the ceiling- the teeth were actually stuck in the ceiling. He looked like one of Michon's zombie pets from Walking Dead. He was conscious and alert. With his jaw no longer in the way why didn't he re chamber and try again? More than likely he went through the same thought process that the bridge jump survivor did on his way down. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 1:48:42 PM EDT
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What actually happened there? Where did the instructor get hit? Why didn't he grab the gun while it was on the floor? Looked like he was going to, then changed his mind. Run and Hide! It's interesting how people react to life threatening situations. If there was ever a time to go hand to hand, that would be it. Looks like he went for it but she started to walk off and I think he realized she wasent attacking him. I think he was on the ground not to hid but from likely extreme pain. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 2:32:21 PM EDT
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How can a revolver double? yes and no, the revolver cant, the shooter can make it. "squeeze... BOOOM" recoil, trigger resets as elbows buckle and gun points upward toward chin, fingers grip HARD on the moving thing, and BOOM SPLAT. kinda like how a bump fire works, it isn't actually auto fire, it is your body simply being slower than recoil. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 2:45:38 PM EDT
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I can't find the video now, but there's one I watched last week where a guy is simulating Russian Roulette with a watermelon and a .500 S&W. In the slow motion, you can see the gun recoil so hard that the barrel goes to his head several times, even under his chin. If he realized it, I bet he's really thankful he only loaded 1 round at a time.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 2:56:42 PM EDT
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Local range had a guy stuff a S&W 500 under his chin. He succeed. Those have been known to double (it's really fucking fast, too), with round #2 going through the melon due to the position of the gun after round #1 recoil. It is possible that it was an accident, not knowing any backstory or particulars. How can a revolver double? I've doubled on a Model 29.  I was trying to hold the trigger back through the recoil. Won't do that again.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 2:59:52 PM EDT
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By pulling the trigger a second time while you're holding on for dear life. Won't imbed for some reason... https://youtu.be/iT9RUC-UHAo Damn. 
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Posted: 12/16/2016 3:10:04 PM EDT
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Had an assistant track coach at my High School attempt suicide with a shotgun in the mouth. People who do this sometimes don't properly brace the butt of the shotgun and the recoil can make the gun move enough to just blow off half your face. When the head coach wanted the tracksters to wear a black arm band in support of the POS I thought the school and team were going to mutiny. Yeah, I have seen this. A drunken wife and kid abuser was threatening his family with a shotgun. They all but one ran out of the house with dad in pursuit and the one remaining locked the door they had gone out of. They ran around the house and into the other door where it was promptly slammed shut and locked. Sounded to me like this was a fairly regular drill at the house. They would not let him back in, or rather him and his shotgun, so he went and sat down under a tree in front yard, put the gun in his mouth, and pulled the trigger. Just shot off one side of his face up through the cheekbone, most of his teeth and tongue, it was a real fucking mess. We shipped him out to a bigger hospital. It must have been interesting when he sobered up and realized what he had done. The wife had come to the emergency room, and I think she was done with him at that point, the final straw being him drunkenly chasing her and the kids with a shotgun and threatening to kill everyone. She was so pissed at him. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 3:12:27 PM EDT
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Interesting.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 3:21:20 PM EDT
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It is not un common for a woman to shoot herself in place other than her head because even in death most women are still concerned with appearance An old lady had decided to end it. She was old and tired and had just had enough. She decided to shoot herself through the heart so she could have an open casket. She wasn't quite sure about the exact location of the heart, so she called her doctor's office and asked. She was told a woman's heart is under the left breast. So later that day she was in the ER with a GSW to the knee. I'm almost sure ARF was my original source on this one. 
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Posted: 12/16/2016 3:24:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2016 3:29:39 PM EDT
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That story is a bit saggy.
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An old lady had decided to end it. She was old and tired and had just had enough. She decided to shoot herself through the heart so she could have an open casket. She wasn't quite sure about the exact location of the heart, so she called her doctor's office and asked. She was told a woman's heart is under the left breast. So later that day she was in the ER with a GSW to the knee. I'm almost sure ARF was my original source on this one. <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 5:39:19 PM EDT
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My cousin tried 3 times. Twice with pills and once with a 45. Point blank in the crest with a 45. Poor shot placement is the only reason that he is still here. Not the same, but still here. His daughter found him every time. Talk about devastated. I have responded to and/or investigated many suicides over my 25 years in LE. Only 1 has bothered me, which was my youngest daughter's best friend. A very nice, brilliant 17 year old young man who got a free ride to OSU to study physics. He was despondent after being rejected by a girl in their grade. He drank a few beers, then put Dad's 1911 in his mouth. Dad was sleeping two rooms down the hall and didn't hear the shot. When Dad got up at 5:30am he saw the gun cabinet opened in the living room, thought there had been a burglary and immediately checked on his son whom he found dead in bed. Dad was grief-stricken to a degree I had never seen. I knew the boy, though not well, and didn't know where he lived. I didn't recognize him because he wasn't wearing his glasses, coupled with the expression of surprise and horror on his face. It was evident that he wasn't killed immediately and suffered for some time before he died. I realized who he was when I read his name on certificates of achievement hanging on his walls, plus he had a dry-erase board with a bunch of physics stuff on it, just like Sheldon Cooper in "Big Bang Theory". When I came home I told my daughter and she did not react well. I've delivered many death notifications over the years, but never considered delivering such to a family member that was "work-related". |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 5:51:49 PM EDT
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What a selfish bitch. Also, how much of a fuckup do you have to be to 'attempt' suicide and not succeed? It happens more often than you think. Jumping off a building or bridge only to survive it and paralyze yourself for life. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 5:56:19 PM EDT
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What a selfish bitch. Also, how much of a fuckup do you have to be to 'attempt' suicide and not succeed? Looks like a second shot after he was on the floor |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 8:48:42 PM EDT
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Shit like this..................................
Is why I'm glad I'm an EX-Range Nazi.<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_dead.gif border=0 align=middle> |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 8:57:24 PM EDT
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They should just buy their own suicide guns and do it somewhere else. Plenty of cheap options.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 9:03:44 PM EDT
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Former employee of mine's husband attempted to murder her with the 12 ga. He missed as she ran thorough the living room. He stuck the barrel in his mouth and promptly blew his face off. No death, just no face. She called 911 and applied aid until the ambulance got there. She called me just after the paramedics came in the room. Talk about being at a loss for words. I would have let the bastard bleed to death or gave him some help to finish.
Nice girl, she seems to be doing ok now. Only took 4 years of therapy and medication. 
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:11:20 PM EDT
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Former employee of mine's husband attempted to murder her with the 12 ga. He missed as she ran thorough the living room. He stuck the barrel in his mouth and promptly blew his face off. No death, just no face. She called 911 and applied aid until the ambulance got there. She called me just after the paramedics came in the room. Talk about being at a loss for words. I would have let the bastard bleed to death or gave him some help to finish. Nice girl, she seems to be doing ok now. Only took 4 years of therapy and medication. <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_freak.gif border=0 align=middle> Not to be gruesome, but what happened to the guy? |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:29:49 PM EDT
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A guy who jumped from the Golden Gate bridge and lived said that the moment his feet left the bridge and he was falling he realized that every single problem in his life could be dealt with, there were no insurmountable problems except that he was now falling straight down and couldn't do anything at all to stop himself. One girl I know said she saw several interviews with people who had jumped and survived suicide attempts. She said the common thread was that ALL of them realized they had just made a huge fucking mistake right when they did it. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:39:11 PM EDT
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A very good friend of ours had his son attempt suicide, shot himself through the mouth and didn't succeed....and there was very little damage afterwards. Other than normal psych issues, he's physically fine.
Saw another lady in a neuro ICU that drove to the hospital, then shot herself straight up through her mouth with a small caliber pistol. Bullet split the two hemispheres, but I can't remember where it actually lodged....she ended up getting discharged some time later. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:40:44 PM EDT
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Have seen it a lot People flinch right before pulling the trigger and the shot goes awry. Have also seen people try to shoot themselves in Head and shoot more up than through and then they walk around literally like a zombie until they bleed out. Cop I knew told me about a guy that tried to off himself in his car in a park. Only had one bullet and didn't complete the task at hand. Ended up trying to burn himself to death in his car. Just happened the fire department was pulling in to the park for a training event and put sparky out. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:45:06 PM EDT
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We have had one so far at my club. which club? |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:55:09 PM EDT
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My college roommate attempted suicide and succeeded. .22 pistol
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Posted: 12/16/2016 11:59:40 PM EDT
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How can a revolver double? Seen it with my own eyes. If your shooter is weak, load every other chamber, or one at a time. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:05:38 AM EDT
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A few years ago a guy I worked with was talking to his dad on Skype when he put a gun in his mouth a pulled the trigger. His dad called the police and security forces found the kid alive with part of his head missing. He died in the hospital. I don't even know what to fucking think.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:06:16 AM EDT
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<img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=71d_1481881029 Remember this bitch when think whacking someone wi your big magnum murdering killing monster pistol will drop him dead...it may not, and he can kill you...again... |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:15:39 AM EDT
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Selfish ****.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:26:41 AM EDT
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Seen it with my own eyes. If your shooter is weak, load every other chamber, or one at a time. Hell, I'll embarrassingly enough admit I've done it. I shoot revolvers more than anything, but as much as I hate to say it, the mix of hot load in a S&W 19-3, the slippery hard plastic 80's pachmayr grips, and me not being used to a crazy light trigger, I doubled with a .357.  Never had it happen with any of my Rugers, but they all have had hogue grips. Tell you what though, that 19-3 had an amazing trigger after the thousands and thousands of rounds my former MIL put through it. Left it to my ex when she passed, and got all rusted because it was in a foam padded case in Hawaii. Did my best to clean it up, but pitting everywhere.
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Posted: 12/17/2016 12:45:34 AM EDT
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Here's what I don't get. If you want to kill yourself: Buy a gun with your credit card and do it at home. You won't have to pay your debts if you succeed and don't traumatize others in the process. Some people don't have that option, which is one reason they end up in that situation in the first place. Other people just can't plan anything for shit... which is another reason. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:16:58 AM EDT
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I have responded to some crazy ones and a few times located a few while searching for missing persons. There are more than a few running around that have survived attempts and I always wonder what they must be thinking after they go through with it and the oh shit starts sinking in. I have found a couple that I have spent two or three days looking for, always in thick ass palmettos, always at night, and i am usually all by myself with them for some time until other units can find me and get into the scene. some people do it in places where i guess they think they wont be ever found, it turns into another 6 or 8 hours getting the body out. I always think about the families who are waiting for days hoping we will just come walking out with their loved one. After finding the mess that they do to themselves I could never do the notifications. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:40:32 AM EDT
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This happened just this past weekend here. I almost went to use the rifle range that day, but something came up so plans changed. Range shooting Damn, Kansas people got the crazy. Google The bullet hole in Shawnee KS. People always try to shoot themselves there. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:50:24 AM EDT
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My Uncle did the shotgun thing back in 78. My aunt got a big settlement from the hospital for letting him out with all the psych issues he had. Shame my 3 cousins all ended up dead or in Federal prison before they were 40.
My mother used a Rossi 38 to the back of her head in 82. Worst part of that was telling her folks/my grandparents another child had committed suicide. On top of that the cleanup wasn't much fun either and left quite an impression. One month later I was in USMC basic and that brought me back to reality. I was 18 in 82. Fuck suicide. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 8:36:56 AM EDT
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How can a revolver double? Seen it with my own eyes. If your shooter is weak, load every other chamber, or one at a time. It's even better when there are a couple dumb asses to egg the idiot on who just damn near blew his own head off. Some people really shouldn't be around dangerous tools. I blame society for short circuiting Darwin at every step. It allows people who shouldn't be here or bread to reach adulthood and even old age. About 2;40  500 SW 700 Grainers Nearly Blows own head off |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 8:44:36 AM EDT
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I responded to a suicide attempt in which an 18 year old male stuck his Dad's 12ga. Remington 1100 under his chin and pulled the trigger in Mom and Dad's walk-in closet. Apparently the barrel was too long, so he cocked his back to get it under his chin. He didn't kill himself, but but blew his bottom jaw completely off, leaving teeth and pieces of tongue, gum and lower lip stuck to the ceiling- the teeth were actually stuck in the ceiling. He looked like one of Michon's zombie pets from Walking Dead. He was conscious and alert. i saw a similar case in med school, made a new jaw for him using muscle-bone-skin from leg. 16 hours in the OR |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:18:47 AM EDT
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I took care of a guy that did that when I was an intern. Walked himself off the gurney into the trauma room. Entrance wound under his chin, exit wound through the left eye socket. None of the bird shot actually entered his skull. Oops. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Had an assistant track coach at my High School attempt suicide with a shotgun in the mouth. People who do this sometimes don't properly brace the butt of the shotgun and the recoil can make the gun move enough to just blow off half your face. When the head coach wanted the tracksters to wear a black arm band in support of the POS I thought the school and team were going to mutiny. I took care of a guy that did that when I was an intern. Walked himself off the gurney into the trauma room. Entrance wound under his chin, exit wound through the left eye socket. None of the bird shot actually entered his skull. Oops. A cop friend told me a story about one like this he responded to. When they got to the house there was blood smears around light switches. The guy took out both eyes with the shot and stumbled around the house trying to "turn the lights back on" till he bled out. |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:38:56 AM EDT
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A guy who jumped from the Golden Gate bridge and lived said that the moment his feet left the bridge and he was falling he realized that every single problem in his life could be dealt with, there were no insurmountable problems except that he was now falling straight down and couldn't do anything at all to stop himself. Saw that guy in the amazing documentary "The Bridge". |
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Posted: 12/17/2016 10:57:09 AM EDT
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Had a 13 year old a few months ago and find his dad dead in the living room with a big hole in his head and brains on the walls. Doing it at home traumatizes more people than you apparently realize. But still better than leaving your garbage with a bunch of fucking strangers. If he had a 13 yr old kid he should (have) be considering that life is worth living. |
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