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Posted: 6/22/2016 10:49:34 AM EDT
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I'm sure it's possible, but pointless. There's no thrill in a roaring electric motor
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Posted: 6/22/2016 10:52:06 AM EDT
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Not until battery technology has advanced significantly. Weight to power is going to be a limitation for a long time
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Posted: 6/22/2016 10:53:03 AM EDT
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I don't know what the rules are, but I'd imagine the electric motor lets you cheat.
Depends how you program the "traction control." If the electric motor is allowed a drive circuit, then it could incorporate a compensation based upon voltage and current from/through the motor(s) to provide a sort of simplified traction control. Alternatively, variable frequency drivers are often used in constant-torque applications, which is pretty much what you're going for with drag racing. Imagine a dragster with a maxed-out and dead flat torque curve. I just don't see how they could allow electric motors at all without a huge mess of complications. Better to just have its own sport. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 10:55:03 AM EDT
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I don't know what the rules are, but I'd imagine the electric motor lets you cheat. Depends how you program the "traction control." If the electric motor is allowed a drive circuit, then it could incorporate a compensation based upon voltage and current from/through the motor(s) to provide a sort of simplified traction control. Alternatively, variable frequency drivers are often used in constant-torque applications, which is pretty much what you're going for with drag racing. Imagine a dragster with a maxed-out and dead flat torque curve. I just don't see how they could allow electric motors at all without a huge mess of complications. Better to just have its own sport. Oh yeah, I agree about having their own class. But I was wondering if we'll ever see them run faster. And good point about the traction control. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 10:58:56 AM EDT
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The only reason they are not already beating top fuel cars is no one has bothered to do it.
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:00:42 AM EDT
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Yeah just go ahead and put them on rails and it'll be a giant fuckin slot car
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:02:01 AM EDT
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Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:02:49 AM EDT
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Who cares if they do?
They have no soul. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:03:33 AM EDT
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Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy Given the short runs, maybe they'll use capacitors. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:03:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only reason they are not already beating top fuel cars is no one has bothered to do it. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:04:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy A capacitor bank is the way to go. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:06:03 AM EDT
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Well on the way....
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:06:27 AM EDT
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Ah, the heartwarming sounds of Formula E.....
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:08:12 AM EDT
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Given the short runs, maybe they'll use capacitors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy Given the short runs, maybe they'll use capacitors. Hmmm, good point. If any of y'all never been to the drag strip, just GO. You cannot possibly comprehend the sensory overload from two of those things leaving. You feel the concussion in your chest; they literally shake the ground. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:08:29 AM EDT
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It wouldn't use batteries, they wouldn't hold up to the discharge rate. A capacitor bank is the way to go. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy A capacitor bank is the way to go. Fuck that, not enough capacity! 1/4 mile extension cord on a spool!!! |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:11:46 AM EDT
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Does anyone make an electric motor that will put out 8000-10000 hp? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The only reason they are not already beating top fuel cars is no one has bothered to do it. I deal with 3K HP electric motors at work. I'm sure 10K HP is possible, but those 3K motors I run are the size of a car. I can't imagine how big a 10K HP electric motor would have to be. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:11:58 AM EDT
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while Tesla does have the 760 horse "ludicrous" mode
thats still a far step from the insanity that is top fuel power levels could it be done? sure why not electric motors went from 100 horse weaklings to 760 horsepower teslas in less than 10 years time BUT I already dont watch top fuel going that fast has absolutely no appeal to me I would rather watch a 100 11 second cars before I ever cared about watching a 5 second car just not my thing. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:12:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryPow! Pow! Power Wheels! |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:13:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:13:23 AM EDT
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I suppose it's possible (depending on the rules), but it would bore me to tears.
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:14:13 AM EDT
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Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon.
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:14:44 AM EDT
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Yes.
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:15:57 AM EDT
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As a former competitor and lifelong fan, I can tell you this:
I will NEVER spend a dime to see an electric powered speed competition. Fuck that. Smokey Yunick, Keith Black are rolling over in their graves. Bob Glidden, Robert Yates too... and they ain't dead yet |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:19:15 AM EDT
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Hmmm, good point. If any of y'all never been to the drag strip, just GO. You cannot possibly comprehend the sensory overload from two of those things leaving. You feel the concussion in your chest; they literally shake the ground. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy Given the short runs, maybe they'll use capacitors. Hmmm, good point. If any of y'all never been to the drag strip, just GO. You cannot possibly comprehend the sensory overload from two of those things leaving. You feel the concussion in your chest; they literally shake the ground. Come to Charlotte and see 4 run at once. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:20:12 AM EDT
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Not with current tech, or tech that is being considered for advancement at this time. Maybe possible in the future, but why?
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:20:35 AM EDT
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I'm guessing many of you have never seen a top fuel car run in person. There is nothing else like it. That tesla in ludicrous mode couldn't even turn a fuel cars supercharger.
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:21:27 AM EDT
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Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon. Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked' There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed. NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta. Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact. Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:29:18 AM EDT
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Probably,but it'll take some time.
Once capacitor/battery tech gets there the limitation will be the driver's ability to withstand the acceleration. Plus I imagine they will require less maintenance as there is fewer moving parts. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:32:20 AM EDT
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Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked' There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed. NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta. Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact. Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon. Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked' There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed. NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta. Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact. Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out. He's dead? What? 
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:34:02 AM EDT
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Not until battery technology has advanced significantly. Weight to power is going to be a limitation for a long time Telsa suspension system problems are highlighting the weight issue as we speak. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:36:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOne of those shit sleds died before the first turn. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:36:39 AM EDT
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Have you ever smelled the joy that it Nitromethane???
Or been in the pits when they start em up and seat the clutch packs?? No way I would pay a dime to hear a capacitor discharge...... |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:37:09 AM EDT
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Scott Kalitta was killed in a racing accident in 2008.
Massive engine explosion likely incapacitated him. The car continued (at 275mph+) as he was unable to deploy the parachutes or use the brakes. Ultimately, the car crashed into the sand berm at the extreme far end of the track. He was killed instantly. Rest in peace, Scott |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:39:40 AM EDT
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There's some old guy named DON GARLITS who is working on one right now. He's currently working to break 200mph with the car. I wouldn't bet against him find a way to make an electric dragster run with the fuel cars.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xycfysAM7IY
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:40:28 AM EDT
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He's dead? What? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon. Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked' There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed. NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta. Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact. Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out. He's dead? What? You're about 7 years behind on this...
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:43:31 AM EDT
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I'm guessing many of you have never seen a top fuel car run in person. There is nothing else like it. That tesla in ludicrous mode couldn't even turn a fuel cars supercharger. The only thing I've seen that comes close is a F-4U-5 start up/run up 
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:43:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon.
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:45:18 AM EDT
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They have been slowing the cars down before Kalitta died and they went to 1000 ft. Nitromethane percentage, pulley size, engine rpm, timing are some things the NHRA will regulate in order to keep the speeds down. If not for all the rules the cars would be even faster.
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:46:51 AM EDT
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Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon. Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked' There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed. NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta. Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact. Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out. He's dead? What? You're about 7 years behind on this...  https://youtu.be/cfdDBq4POh4I can't watch that. I knew the Kalittas. And the Medlens. We'd lost Eric Medlen not long before we lost Scott. Rest in peace, brothers |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:50:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryThey sound like giant can openers.
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:51:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:52:28 AM EDT
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He's dead? What? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon. Due largely to the tracks being 'land-locked' There simply isn't enough shut down area to support much more speed. NHRA went to 1000' shortly after we lost Scott Kalitta. Englishtown NJ has one of the shorter shut down areas; Scott's car simply didn't scrub off enough speed before impact. Mercifully, he probably never knew it. The engine explosion likely knocked him out. He's dead? What?
ETA: Already posted above. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 11:53:06 AM EDT
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IMO we have seen the fastest. They won't let them go any quicker. Restrictions and shorter Tracks are the future. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuel cars are held back by the NHRA. They've got a limit in their head on how fast the cars should be. If they run faster then they find a way to slow them down. Its somewhere around 335-337mph and they will change the rules to slow the cars down. I don't see an electric car beating a top fuel car anytime soon. I agree. If someone does NHRA will slow them down. I would be interesting to see how fast they could be without some of the rules. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 12:01:55 PM EDT
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I'm guessing many of you have never seen a top fuel car run in person. There is nothing else like it. That tesla in ludicrous mode couldn't even turn a fuel cars supercharger. What the fuck does a Tesla have to do with electric fuel dragster? |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 12:11:02 PM EDT
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What the fuck does a Tesla have to do with electric fuel dragster? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm guessing many of you have never seen a top fuel car run in person. There is nothing else like it. That tesla in ludicrous mode couldn't even turn a fuel cars supercharger. What the fuck does a Tesla have to do with electric fuel dragster? If you read the thread someone was commenting on a tesla in ludicrous mode compared to a top fuel car. The tesla could probably not even run the top fuel cars supercharger. What is an electric fuel dragster? |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 12:20:13 PM EDT
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What the fuck does a Tesla have to do with electric fuel dragster? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm guessing many of you have never seen a top fuel car run in person. There is nothing else like it. That tesla in ludicrous mode couldn't even turn a fuel cars supercharger. What the fuck does a Tesla have to do with electric fuel dragster? because the tesla is pretty much the only thing people know that could be of any comparison (as ridiculous as that sounds) your only other option is hybrids with 100 horse motors
sure there is some oddball guys out there doing their own thing like big daddy above and several electric bikes and even a ridiculous golf cart but I would see pretty much everybody knows about Tesla now or enjoys watches people react on youtube to ludicrous mode |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 12:21:32 PM EDT
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Given the short runs, maybe they'll use capacitors. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Battery technology isn't there. Too heavy Given the short runs, maybe they'll use capacitors. Um. LOL. |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 12:22:15 PM EDT
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Not until battery technology has advanced significantly. Weight to power is going to be a limitation for a long time Quarter mile long 2 gauge extension cord? |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 12:24:29 PM EDT
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As a former competitor and lifelong fan, I can tell you this: I will NEVER spend a dime to see an electric powered speed competition. Fuck that. Smokey Yunick, Keith Black are rolling over in their graves. Bob Glidden, Robert Yates too... and they ain't dead yet Smokey would be all up in that biatch because there's a million loopholes and things rule makers never thought of. You ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin! |
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Posted: 6/22/2016 12:26:53 PM EDT
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How did the Victory bike do in IOM this year anyway?
A bit off topic... |
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