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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:22:07 PM EDT
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Page 2 is mine.
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:23:35 PM EDT
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Smith & Wesson is one of the few companies that has seen a lot of growth and profits, and that's because of the M&P line.
Why would they do this? This is retarded. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:24:19 PM EDT
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The letter states the parties are unlawfully modifying S&W products.
Does Apex, Brownells, etc sell new firearms with aftermarket parts.... Is Apex, Brownells, etc even an O7 FFL (manufacturer?) Apex triggers and Brownells branded parts are not even S&W products  |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:25:15 PM EDT
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Just tweeted my thoughts about it to S&W. I suggest everyone do the same or similar.
Everyone of my M&P's has an Apex kit in it, and if I can't buy Apex for S&W M&P's, guess what else I won't be buying. 
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:26:05 PM EDT
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I'd rather have smith modify my trigger to my liking than apex parts... It's covered by smith, for life, no matter what and no hassle.
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:26:25 PM EDT
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Just tweeted my thoughts about it to S&W. I suggest everyone do the same or similar. Everyone of my M&P's has an Apex kit in it, and if I can't buy Apex for S&W M&P's, guess what else I won't be buying. i dont tweeter |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:26:33 PM EDT
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Didn't S&W just recently introduce the Performance Center Shield, which is supposed to have a better trigger? Maybe they want to sell the enhanced M&P triggers separately and get some of that $$$ Apex is making? [/speculation] |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:26:37 PM EDT
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So the hillary boycott is coming back. I have also heard of accuracy issues with M and P barrels .
Let's try calling it Smith and Wesson perfection. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:26:37 PM EDT
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If the factory trigger for M&P's didn't suck, there wouldn't be nearly as much demand for the Apex kits.
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:26:54 PM EDT
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I'm an IP lawyer and I'd be very interested to see the rest of the letter to see what their argument is for calling the modifications "unlawful." I'd also be interested to see their trademark argument since advertising parts and repair services for a particular product are generally allowable. It is certainly possible that one or more of the targets of the letter did something to justify a complaint, but it would be unusual for all of them to have done the same thing. I wonder if they used S&W logos to sell products from other makers. I'd also like to know what were the "unlawful modifications." Since the letter was intentionally cut off before it explained the issues, I'll bet that Smith had a legitimate complaint. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:27:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just tweeted my thoughts about it to S&W. I suggest everyone do the same or similar. Everyone of my M&P's has an Apex kit in it, and if I can't buy Apex for S&W M&P's, guess what else I won't be buying. Apex parts aren't even S&W products. S&W says they are.... S&W will eventually drop it after 6 different lawyers hound their ass. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:29:04 PM EDT
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Soon only the 1911 and AR will be end-user modifiable  That is not an end user modification. But reading is hard, those companies buy guns, modify them. Then sell them. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:30:19 PM EDT
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That is not an end user modification. But reading is hard, those companies buy guns, modify them. Then sell them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Soon only the 1911 and AR will be end-user modifiable That is not an end user modification. But reading is hard, those companies buy guns, modify them. Then sell them. I'm pretty sure they do not. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:30:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the factory trigger for M&P's didn't suck, there wouldn't be nearly as much demand for the Apex kits. That doesn't explain how the Glock has more aftermarket parts available than all the S&W handguns. I thought Glock was perfection? Why the need for so many aftermarket parts if they were perfect? |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:32:11 PM EDT
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S&W just can't seem to resist the urge to fuck itself over repeatedly...
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:32:42 PM EDT
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There are more aftermarket "improvement" parts for a Glock than M&P
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Another reason to buy a Glock There are more aftermarket "improvement" parts for a Glock than M&P
And the Glock has been on the market....what...several decades longer than the M&P? |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:33:14 PM EDT
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eh... my BIL got an M&P 10 and it couldn't have been a bigger piece of shit.. the only reason it works is b/c he changed out EVERYTHING except the receivers..
oh well.. looks like i won't have to worry about trying out any M&P products soon... fuck em... |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:33:29 PM EDT
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What's the second page say?
For all we know, it's some sort of "Have a merry christmas and thanks for boosting our sales!" letter with a very poorly worded beginning that just looks like a C&D. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:34:01 PM EDT
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That doesn't explain how the Glock has more aftermarket parts available than all the S&W handguns. I thought Glock was perfection? Why the need for so many aftermarket parts if they were perfect?
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If the factory trigger for M&P's didn't suck, there wouldn't be nearly as much demand for the Apex kits. That doesn't explain how the Glock has more aftermarket parts available than all the S&W handguns. I thought Glock was perfection? Why the need for so many aftermarket parts if they were perfect?
Maybe because Glock is hugely popular and some people like to alter their firearms even if its not necessary? At least Glock doesn't tell aftermarket manufacturers to stop making parts.
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What's the second page say? For all we know, it's some sort of "Have a merry christmas and thanks for boosting our sales!" letter with a very poorly worded beginning that just looks like a C&D. "What you're doing is unlawful, and infringement of our trademark, but thats totally cool have a Merry Christmas." 
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:38:08 PM EDT
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks...
They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:38:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the Glock has been on the market....what...several decades longer than the M&P? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Another reason to buy a Glock There are more aftermarket "improvement" parts for a Glock than M&P And the Glock has been on the market....what...several decades longer than the M&P? The M&P is over 15 years old. Glock gen 4 is what, 5-6 years old? How much longer until Glock comes out with a new Glock for "perfection"? |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:38:46 PM EDT
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[speculation] Didn't S&W just recently introduce the Performance Center Shield, which is supposed to have a better trigger? Maybe they want to sell the enhanced M&P triggers separately and get some of that $$$ Apex is making? [/speculation] If they just sold it with a performance center trigger, that would be one thing, but they can keep all the other bullshit they put on there. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:39:00 PM EDT
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Just tweeted my thoughts about it to S&W. I suggest everyone do the same or similar. Everyone of my M&P's has an Apex kit in it, and if I can't buy Apex for S&W M&P's, guess what else I won't be buying. i dont tweeter Postcard? Singing telegram? |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:39:05 PM EDT
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What is next? Ford sending tire shops letters to stop putting wheels and tires on F250's?
lol Good luck with that. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:40:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is next? Ford sending tire shops letters to stop putting wheels and tires on F250's? lol Good luck with that. GM pretty much told us changing our own oil will void the warranty Friend of mine was denied warranty on his new Silverado's differentials because he put in a cold air intake. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:40:55 PM EDT
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eh... my BIL got an M&P 10 and it couldn't have been a bigger piece of shit.. the only reason it works is b/c he changed out EVERYTHING except the receivers.. oh well.. looks like i won't have to worry about trying out any M&P products soon... fuck em... M&P 10? |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:41:03 PM EDT
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. Wait, what is everyone going to do with their pitchforks now? 
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:41:10 PM EDT
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That is not an end user modification. But reading is hard, those companies buy guns, modify them. Then sell them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Soon only the 1911 and AR will be end-user modifiable That is not an end user modification. But reading is hard, those companies buy guns, modify them. Then sell them. Apex sells guns? Their website doesn't show that. link |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:41:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. https://www.apextactical.com/blog/index.php/apex-news/apex-teams-with-top-custom-builders-on-brownells-dream-gun/ Now it makes more sense. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:41:59 PM EDT
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GM pretty much told us changing our own oil will void the warranty Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is next? Ford sending tire shops letters to stop putting wheels and tires on F250's? lol Good luck with that. GM pretty much told us changing our own oil will void the warranty And they're wrong, per Federal law. I'm waiting on my C&D from Porsche as we speak. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:42:16 PM EDT
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The M&P is over 15 years old. Glock gen 4 is what, 5-6 years old? How much longer until Glock comes out with a new Glock for "perfection"?
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Another reason to buy a Glock There are more aftermarket "improvement" parts for a Glock than M&P
And the Glock has been on the market....what...several decades longer than the M&P? The M&P is over 15 years old. Glock gen 4 is what, 5-6 years old? How much longer until Glock comes out with a new Glock for "perfection"?
a glock out the box is perfectly fine, but hey, sometimes people want to enhance certain aspects of the gun.. the point is glock aren't being fags about people wanting to modify they guns they own while S&W is throwing a hissy fit over it. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:42:25 PM EDT
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. Holy shit. This brand is dead now. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:42:43 PM EDT
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. This should be inserted in OP. Looks like Apex et al done fucked up |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:43:06 PM EDT
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That is not an end user modification. But reading is hard, those companies buy guns, modify them. Then sell them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Soon only the 1911 and AR will be end-user modifiable That is not an end user modification. But reading is hard, those companies buy guns, modify them. Then sell them. Lolwut? I've been amateur smithing/armorer-ing for years and have never bought a gun from Brownells. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:43:11 PM EDT
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M&P 10? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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eh... my BIL got an M&P 10 and it couldn't have been a bigger piece of shit.. the only reason it works is b/c he changed out EVERYTHING except the receivers.. oh well.. looks like i won't have to worry about trying out any M&P products soon... fuck em... M&P 10? yeah, smith and wesson AR 10.. they call it an M&P 10 |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:43:19 PM EDT
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Aftermarket parts and upgrades is what attracts me to most guns, the ability to make it how I want it. I bought a Shield this year and if I knew this was coming, I would have got something else. They just shit on the customer. And no, I don't want that performance center version. I don't like the sights and I don't want the porting. If something comes of this I will rethink my shield as my main hot weather carry, the consumer is king. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:43:42 PM EDT
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. So it looks like the main issue is that they are modifying the guns while leaving the Smith & Wesson logos on them. I understand why they would have a problem with it. The assertion that it creates safety and quality issues is kind of ridiculous. I'll base my judgement on what Smith asks them to do from here on. ETA: Re read the end of the letter, are they asking them to stop all of their services and products? |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:43:57 PM EDT
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This should be inserted in OP. Looks like Apex et al done fucked up Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. This should be inserted in OP. Looks like Apex et al done fucked up No shit. They should have just tooled up and made their own frames and slides like Lone Wolf did with Glocks.... |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:44:00 PM EDT
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https://www.apextactical.com/blog/index.php/apex-news/apex-teams-with-top-custom-builders-on-brownells-dream-gun/ Now it makes more sense. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. https://www.apextactical.com/blog/index.php/apex-news/apex-teams-with-top-custom-builders-on-brownells-dream-gun/ Now it makes more sense. Shit, that ain't gonna stop those already lambasting S&W based off of basically no info other than what little bit could be gleaned from the OP. Waiting to get the whole story is for faggots. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:44:52 PM EDT
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This should be inserted in OP. Looks like Apex et al done fucked up Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. This should be inserted in OP. Looks like Apex et al done fucked up is there a clause when buying an m&p that says you can't alter it and resell it? |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:45:04 PM EDT
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. So you can modify and resell to your heart's content, but you can't leave the logo intact? I could see if the slide was aftermarket and they added the logo...
So if a aftermarket performance car places buys a mustang and modifies it, they also need to pull off the hood ornament? |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:45:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah, smith and wesson AR 10.. they call it an M&P 10 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: eh... my BIL got an M&P 10 and it couldn't have been a bigger piece of shit.. the only reason it works is b/c he changed out EVERYTHING except the receivers.. oh well.. looks like i won't have to worry about trying out any M&P products soon... fuck em... M&P 10? yeah, smith and wesson AR 10.. they call it an M&P 10 M&P 10 is ugly as sin. Carbine gas system and looks like 2ft of pencil barrel sticking out. Reminds me of those fat bitches you see that have a huge gut and really thin legs. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:45:30 PM EDT
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it seems SSVI is intentionally leaving out key elements of this letter in an attempt to sway public opinion on their side.
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:46:42 PM EDT
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So you can modify and resell to your heart's content, but you can't leave the logo intact? I could see if the slide was aftermarket and they added the logo...
So if a aftermarket performance car places buys a mustang and modifies it, they also need to pull off the hood ornament? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. So you can modify and resell to your heart's content, but you can't leave the logo intact? I could see if the slide was aftermarket and they added the logo...
So if a aftermarket performance car places buys a mustang and modifies it, they also need to pull off the hood ornament? If they're trying to sell it as new without factory authorization, yes. Perfect examples would be Ruf, Alpina, Brabus... Edit: See also: Steeda, Saleen. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:47:27 PM EDT
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So you can modify and resell to your heart's content, but you can't leave the logo intact? I could see if the slide was aftermarket and they added the logo...
So if a aftermarket performance car places buys a mustang and modifies it, they also need to pull off the hood ornament? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. So you can modify and resell to your heart's content, but you can't leave the logo intact? I could see if the slide was aftermarket and they added the logo...
So if a aftermarket performance car places buys a mustang and modifies it, they also need to pull off the hood ornament? Here is the problem, what happens when they get sued their party for a faulty pistol that ended up hurting someone? What about warranty? I know that a modified pistol loses its warranty, but does S&W end up having to deal with endless crap when things break? This whole thing is basically based on don't completely change out the internals, alter the frame and slide, change the barrel, etc and then sell it as our pistol. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:48:04 PM EDT
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Nevermind.
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:49:57 PM EDT
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If they're trying to sell it as new without factory authorization, yes. Perfect examples would be Ruf, Alpina, Brabus... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. So you can modify and resell to your heart's content, but you can't leave the logo intact? I could see if the slide was aftermarket and they added the logo...
So if a aftermarket performance car places buys a mustang and modifies it, they also need to pull off the hood ornament? If they're trying to sell it as new without factory authorization, yes. Perfect examples would be Ruf, Alpina, Brabus... Exactly. If this is actually the intent of the letter, I have zero problem with S&W protecting their brand/IP. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:50:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:52:12 PM EDT
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GM pretty much told us changing our own oil will void the warranty Friend of mine was denied warranty on his new Silverado's differentials because he put in a cold air intake. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is next? Ford sending tire shops letters to stop putting wheels and tires on F250's? lol Good luck with that. GM pretty much told us changing our own oil will void the warranty Friend of mine was denied warranty on his new Silverado's differentials because he put in a cold air intake. He should have shoved Magnusson Moss up their asses. I'll wait for more info to surface about this S&W bidness. |
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Posted: 12/22/2015 2:52:44 PM EDT
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Exactly. If this is actually the intent of the letter, I have zero problem with S&W protecting their brand/IP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The plot thickens..... S&W "M&P Dream Gun" offered with altered parts and still exhibiting the S&W and M&P trade marks... https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/1934597_10204099808133979_4312216293917758907_n.jpg?oh=d6fb300a561bdee6dc4e2dfec65490de&oe=570D8406 They are selling a new pistol that they alter as a smith....... This actually probably is a direct violation of US trademark/patent law and Smith isn't really saying much about personally owned weapons modified after it seems. Or maybe this is only part of their grievance. So you can modify and resell to your heart's content, but you can't leave the logo intact? I could see if the slide was aftermarket and they added the logo...
So if a aftermarket performance car places buys a mustang and modifies it, they also need to pull off the hood ornament? If they're trying to sell it as new without factory authorization, yes. Perfect examples would be Ruf, Alpina, Brabus... Exactly. If this is actually the intent of the letter, I have zero problem with S&W protecting their brand/IP. so should they sue boresight solutions? salient arms? ATI? zev? (or it think zev only does glocks) again, unless there's a clause when buying an m&p that says you cannot resell this after purchase, i think the cease and desist letter is bullshit.. also lol @ S&W geting blasted on their instagram page |
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