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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:32:40 PM EDT
FUCK......
Link to update post here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1790231_ATF_rules_Can_Cannon_an_NFA_item_when_mounted_to_a_non_NFA_lower__UPDATED_1_9_16__page_8_.html&page=8#i57592821 For those of you out there that have a can cannon: Be advised. EDIT: X Products' founder explains what the issue was with the ATF in this video. 
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:34:20 PM EDT
[#1]
IN!
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:34:57 PM EDT
[#2]
Shocked face.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:35:36 PM EDT
[#3]
Huh.
I've already got an SBR'd lower so does this mean I can get one of these can thingies for cheap, now? |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:36:12 PM EDT
[#4]
Oops
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:36:21 PM EDT
[#5]
Nothing like broad powers to rule by decree.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:36:24 PM EDT
[#6]
Fuck that unconstitutional law. Why do we tolerate it?!
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:37:49 PM EDT
[#7]
good to see the ATF is all over the regulation of ballistic soda cans and tennis balls, great job guys
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:38:03 PM EDT
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These fuckers are way out of hand.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:38:29 PM EDT
[#9]
My pop can shooter is homemade no ruling on that!
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:38:59 PM EDT
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good to see the ATF is all over the regulation of ballistic soda cans and tennis balls, great job guys Dude, these things are used in so much crime. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:39:08 PM EDT
[#11]
That thing that launches soda cans? Are they mentally ill?
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:39:19 PM EDT
[#12]
SBRed lower should be GTG, no?
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:39:58 PM EDT
[#13]
Retards gotta retard.
TC |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:40:09 PM EDT
[#14]
NO FUN ALLOWED
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:40:31 PM EDT
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Should be GTG. But who knows anymore... |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:40:34 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:41:03 PM EDT
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Sounds like it. They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:41:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:41:07 PM EDT
[#19]
Somebody asked about this a couple months ago.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:41:46 PM EDT
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? I don't believe so... 
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:42:01 PM EDT
[#21]
Not seeing the letter on the X-products website.
Got a link?? |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:42:29 PM EDT
[#22]
Ok. I have to agree with their ruling. Do away with the ATF.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:42:36 PM EDT
[#23]
Oh for fucks sake.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:42:51 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Should be GTG. But who knows anymore... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Should be GTG. But who knows anymore...   |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:42:59 PM EDT
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Sounds like it. They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Sounds like it. They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted. I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:43:43 PM EDT
[#26]
Cocksucking ATF.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:44:16 PM EDT
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I don't believe so... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? I don't believe so... Why wouldn't it be? They're saying it's an SBR when mated to a lower and non-firearm when it's connected to nothing. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:44:24 PM EDT
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I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Sounds like it. They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted. I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. I welded mine shut. I didn't like the way the end cap was attached. Still...going back for a refund. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:44:40 PM EDT
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I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Sounds like it. They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted. I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. ATF are petty tyrant fucktards? Also the "barre"l is closed and ported so there's no projectile exiting the "barrel", the sleeve itself is the functional barrel. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:45:15 PM EDT
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I don't believe so... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? I don't believe so... I think so. You're fine as long asylum have SBR lower. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:45:24 PM EDT
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In for inevitable DD (destructive device) ruling after the "it should be gtg on sbr lower", due to the "caliber" of the can.....Coca Cola is now a destructive device Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Should be GTG. But who knows anymore... It's a non-rifled muzzle loader. No more a DD than an antique black powder cannon. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:45:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:45:58 PM EDT
[#33]
FBATFE!!!
How is it they even exist?? They contravene the Constitution itself and all. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:46:02 PM EDT
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They going to make duck dummy launchers & nail guns DDs now?
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:46:08 PM EDT
[#35]
redacted because, reading is for faggots.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:47:27 PM EDT
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has  They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:48:30 PM EDT
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I'll start with the AOW, because I know that they're wrong.
An AOW must be able to fire fixed ammunition. The can cannon, to the best of my knowledge, must be used with blanks. The use of real ammunition will destroy the thing, right? Therefore, it can't be an AOW. "Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition." |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:48:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:48:52 PM EDT
[#39]
Huh, never wanted one before but now I suddenly do. I've already got an SBR'd lower so I guess it's not an issue.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:48:57 PM EDT
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has MG fine, SBR fine, AOW fine, but all of those are NFA. No DD involved. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:50:25 PM EDT
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They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Yeah detailed reading vs. skimming actually helps. 
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:50:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:51:01 PM EDT
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MG fine, SBR fine, AOW fine, but all of those are NFA. No DD involved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has MG fine, SBR fine, AOW fine, but all of those are NFA. No DD involved. Yeah, see above.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:51:10 PM EDT
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I'll start with the AOW, because I know that they're wrong. An AOW must be able to fire fixed ammunition. The can cannon, to the best of my knowledge, must be used with blanks. The use of real ammunition will destroy the thing, right? Therefore, it can't be an AOW. "Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition." But they don't have a fixed plug last I heard, so you could theoretically pull the plug and shoot it. That would be their argument. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:51:29 PM EDT
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Rat bastards.
In on 1. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:51:35 PM EDT
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Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. In theory....
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:52:32 PM EDT
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I wouldn't take the ATFs rulings too serious anymore. Between the SCOTUS word definition games and ATF flip flopping, it's best to just take anything they say like you would as if it's coming from your senile drunk 75y/o uncle.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:52:57 PM EDT
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Fuck that unconstitutional law. Why do we tolerate it?! There is no such thing as "the government." There are only men and women, some who are arbitrarily dictating their will over other men and women. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:53:02 PM EDT
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What exactly do they think it can launch that it would be considered a firearm at all?
Or are they going to ban AP coke cans next |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:53:14 PM EDT
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Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. If the lower is registered as an AOW, sure. They covered that, too. Though we should probably wait for them to publish the actual opinion letter. |
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