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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:53:29 PM EDT
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has  They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. In theory.... AOW. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:53:33 PM EDT
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What exactly do they think it can launch that it would be considered a firearm at all? A projectile, apparently. 
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:53:41 PM EDT
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I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Sounds like it. They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted. I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. I think it the threaded barrel plug and chamber which will accept a 5.56 cartridge. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:53:54 PM EDT
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And Johnny law strikes again.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:54:24 PM EDT
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If the lower is registered as an AOW, sure. They covered that, too. Though we should probably wait for them to publish the actual opinion letter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. If the lower is registered as an AOW, sure. They covered that, too. Though we should probably wait for them to publish the actual opinion letter. An SBR must have a rifled barrel. Is the can cannon rifled? (7) The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. (8) The term “short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:54:41 PM EDT
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At $400, I'd take a pass, even if it was legal on a standard lower.
Mark the old models (before the inevitable re-design) at 50% off, I'd take one for my SBR. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:54:51 PM EDT
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The original had an allen screw in the end.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:55:03 PM EDT
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What really pisses me off is how damn near impossible it is to build a full auto BLANKS-ONLY gun to the ATF's satisfaction.
I'd really like to do that for some re-enactment guns, but from what I can tell it's a very involved process. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:55:20 PM EDT
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If I were rich, I'd pay for a cargo plane to drop thousands of high-quality glossy prints of the 'goatse' photo on ATF HQ every day.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:55:32 PM EDT
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I think it the threaded barrel plug and chamber which will accept a 5.56 cartridge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Sounds like it. They could just lengthen the tube a bit, tho. Problem averted. I suspect it may have to do w/ the length of the barrel inside the tube. If that's the case they'd have to lengthen it a lot. Not sure by that standard why it'd be an AOW on a pistol though if it's a SBR on a rifle lower. I think it the threaded barrel plug and chamber which will accept a 5.56 cartridge. Then they just need to permanently seal the barrels by welding or something like the other OP said? Could try I guess. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:55:48 PM EDT
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That is some bull shit.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:56:14 PM EDT
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It's a non-rifled muzzle loader. No more a DD than an antique black powder cannon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Should be GTG. But who knows anymore...  It's a non-rifled muzzle loader. No more a DD than an antique black powder cannon. And that's the part that confuses me. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:56:55 PM EDT
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no letter on the NC star ;)
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:56:58 PM EDT
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An SBR must have a rifled barrel. Is the can cannon rifled? (7) The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. (8) The term “short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. If the lower is registered as an AOW, sure. They covered that, too. Though we should probably wait for them to publish the actual opinion letter. An SBR must have a rifled barrel. Is the can cannon rifled? (7) The term “rifle” means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of an explosive to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger. (8) The term “short-barreled rifle” means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if such weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches. Good point. I guess it depends on what they're considering to be "the barrel" on this thing, as another poster pointed out. If it's something just behind the big cylinder, then the makers of that thing are basically fucked.
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:57:12 PM EDT
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Fuck that unconstitutional law. Why do we tolerate it?! You can be the first in line to defy a bad law publicly. We will all stand back and discuss how unfair it is that you go to jail. |
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Posted: 9/21/2015 11:59:45 PM EDT
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You can be the first in line to defy a bad law publicly. We will all stand back and discuss how unfair it is that you go to jail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck that unconstitutional law. Why do we tolerate it?! You can be the first in line to defy a bad law publicly. We will all stand back and discuss how unfair it is that you go to jail. There was a guy who did that a few years ago with a couple of 1919 parts kits. He built them as MGs and dared the ATF to come get him as a test case. He lost. I don't even remember seeing anything about him on this website. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:00:39 AM EDT
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You can be the first in line to defy a bad law publicly. We will all stand back and discuss how unfair it is that you go to jail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck that unconstitutional law. Why do we tolerate it?! You can be the first in line to defy a bad law publicly. We will all stand back and discuss how unfair it is that you go to jail. All while proclaiming loudly that a juror must decide a verdict on the facts alone, per the judge's instructions. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:01:41 AM EDT
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After you're done shooting your can cannon pick up that can citizen.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:01:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a non-rifled muzzle loader. No more a DD than an antique black powder cannon. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: SBRed lower should be GTG, no? Should be GTG. But who knows anymore... It's a non-rifled muzzle loader. No more a DD than an antique black powder cannon. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:02:13 AM EDT
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All while proclaiming loudly that a juror must decide a verdict on the facts alone, per the judge's instructions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck that unconstitutional law. Why do we tolerate it?! You can be the first in line to defy a bad law publicly. We will all stand back and discuss how unfair it is that you go to jail. All while proclaiming loudly that a juror must decide a verdict on the facts alone, per the judge's instructions. Jury nullification should be a chapter in a class on civic duties that every kid get's in their school social studies progression tree. Maybe if we can wrestle the schools back from the socialists we can do something about that. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:03:03 AM EDT
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Yep, sounds about par
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:03:53 AM EDT
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They going to make duck dummy launchers & nail guns DDs now? And you're the one who is on record as having said he would turn in a person who willfully violated the NFA. Would you do the same if a person used a soda can launcher on a non-SBR'd rifle lower, now that you're aware of this decision by BATFE? |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:04:01 AM EDT
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from te x poducts site
We are currently designing the following accessories for this product: Grappling Hook (In Pre-Production) Net Launcher (In Sketch) Dog Training Toys For Duck Hunting and Retrieval T Shirt Launching Lawn Darts Harpoon f'ing lawn darts got our toy banned again /icon_smile_question.gif[/img] |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:05:56 AM EDT
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I want a fucking net launcher gun. Holy shit that sounds awesome.
There's a little duck pond at the college track where I exercise. Half the time I see ducks in it. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:06:21 AM EDT
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I kinda expected this.
But I figured someone would bubba a "soda can Molotov cocktail" and post video of it all over youtube. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:07:04 AM EDT
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I wonder who wrote a letter asking questions to mess this one up.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:08:26 AM EDT
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I wonder who wrote a letter asking questions to mess this one up. In this case I think it was X Products...
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:08:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:08:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can be the first in line to defy a bad law publicly. We will all stand back and discuss how unfair it is that you go to jail. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fuck that unconstitutional law. Why do we tolerate it?! You can be the first in line to defy a bad law publicly. We will all stand back and discuss how unfair it is that you go to jail. There are plenty of people who ignore this bullshit. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:09:18 AM EDT
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I wonder who wrote a letter asking questions to mess this one up. Kinda sounds like the manufacturer did. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:10:21 AM EDT
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put it on a lower with a Sig brace...then shoulder the fucker. Heads will explode
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:10:30 AM EDT
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And you're the one who is on record as having said he would turn in a person who willfully violated the NFA. Would you do the same if a person used a soda can launcher on a non-SBR'd rifle lower, now that you're aware of this decision by BATFE? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They going to make duck dummy launchers & nail guns DDs now? And you're the one who is on record as having said he would turn in a person who willfully violated the NFA. Would you do the same if a person used a soda can launcher on a non-SBR'd rifle lower, now that you're aware of this decision by BATFE? If you're too chicken to call me to the Pit, piss off. Go read the Pit rules. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:11:18 AM EDT
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good to see the ATF is all over the regulation of ballistic soda cans and tennis balls, great job guys It's kinda silly. Just bought one of these too (can cannon). At least I have some official SBRs. I'd be kinda pissed if I didn't. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:14:16 AM EDT
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At $400, I'd take a pass, even if it was legal on a standard lower. Mark the old models (before the inevitable re-design) at 50% off, I'd take one for my SBR. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:15:02 AM EDT
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They going to make duck dummy launchers & nail guns DDs now? Funny coming from you.... Gonna make the call when you see illegal soda can launchers too?
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:15:39 AM EDT
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Now this is getting interesting.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:16:50 AM EDT
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Those 5 people will be disappointed...
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:19:10 AM EDT
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If you're too chicken to call me to the Pit, piss off. Go read the Pit rules. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They going to make duck dummy launchers & nail guns DDs now? And you're the one who is on record as having said he would turn in a person who willfully violated the NFA. Would you do the same if a person used a soda can launcher on a non-SBR'd rifle lower, now that you're aware of this decision by BATFE? If you're too chicken to call me to the Pit, piss off. Go read the Pit rules. Why would he need to call you to the Pit to ask if you would turn in owners of the can cannon, like you'd previously said you would? |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:20:04 AM EDT
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Huh. I've already got an SBR'd lower so does this mean I can get one of these can thingies for cheap, now? My thought as well. 
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:22:03 AM EDT
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If I were rich, I'd pay for a cargo plane to drop thousands of high-quality glossy prints of the 'goatse' photo on ATF HQ every day. FTATF I will endorse your starting of a GoFundMe/Kickstarter idea. Innovative new way of delivering a message to the biggest faggots in the united states. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:23:26 AM EDT
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But they don't have a fixed plug last I heard, so you could theoretically pull the plug and shoot it. That would be their argument. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll start with the AOW, because I know that they're wrong. An AOW must be able to fire fixed ammunition. The can cannon, to the best of my knowledge, must be used with blanks. The use of real ammunition will destroy the thing, right? Therefore, it can't be an AOW. "Such term shall not include a pistol or a revolver having a rifled bore, or rifled bores, or weapons designed, made, or intended to be fired from the shoulder and not capable of firing fixed ammunition." But they don't have a fixed plug last I heard, so you could theoretically pull the plug and shoot it. That would be their argument. ATF has stated in the past that they don't care if it blows up in one shot, they only care if it goes bang. Every time the ATF pulls some stupid shit, people should go take a look in their closet and think about whether they're happy with the size of their ammo pile. And if they are - or have some extra cash burning a hole in their pocket - they should then hit up the "Why don't you own night vision" thread. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:23:44 AM EDT
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This thread is now off to the races.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:24:00 AM EDT
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If the lower is registered as an AOW, sure. They covered that, too. Though we should probably wait for them to publish the actual opinion letter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe someone can clarify. If you have a registered MG, you can have any barrel length you like because it's covered under your MG tax stamp, correct? But because this is now a DD the upper would require its own stamp regardless of what stamp the lower has They aren't claiming it's a DD. They're claiming it is an SBR when attached to a lower. Since they said "SBR", it must mean that pistol AR lowers are GTG with it. If the lower is registered as an AOW, sure. They covered that, too. Though we should probably wait for them to publish the actual opinion letter. How are they ruling it an AOW? and a short barreled rifle? They can't have it both ways, either it's any AOW or it's an SBR but it can't be both, seems to fit AOW better than SBR though. |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:25:43 AM EDT
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Why would he need to call you to the Pit to ask if you would turn in owners of the can cannon, like you'd previously said you would? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They going to make duck dummy launchers & nail guns DDs now? And you're the one who is on record as having said he would turn in a person who willfully violated the NFA. Would you do the same if a person used a soda can launcher on a non-SBR'd rifle lower, now that you're aware of this decision by BATFE? If you're too chicken to call me to the Pit, piss off. Go read the Pit rules. Why would he need to call you to the Pit to ask if you would turn in owners of the can cannon, like you'd previously said you would? Exactly. I'm not looking for a remedy to an issue. I'm just asking a question about what action you would take should you see someone with one of these in public. The new Pit rules state that the Pit is for hashing out differences. It's not just for asking a simple, direct, question of a particular poster-a question which is germane to the topic at hand and relates to a position the person being questioned has publicly taken in the past. ETA: And backbencher, since you brought up the Pit rules, I'll post them here for you: Purpose:
The Pit has essentially one purpose: conflict resolution. If you start a thread in the pit for anything other than dealing with a problem that exists between yourself and another member or members, that thread will be trashed and you will receive a warning or timeout. Rules: 1. No threats of violence. 2. No bringing family into arguments. 3. No negative racial or religious comments. 4. The only CoC rules that are suspended in the Pit are CoC-1 & CoC-6. (No Racial or Religious insults – see #3 above) 5. Do not follow people around the rest of the site and harass them over a pit thread. 6. Personal attacks/insults are allowed ONLY to be posted by the challenger or called out member. If you want to just insult people go somewhere else. If you are thinking about starting a thread because your feelings got hurt or you simply disagree with an opinion, this is probably not the place to address this. If you choose to continue, let’s go over some ground rules. 7. You must IM the person you are calling out and provide them a link. 8. You must state in your OP that you did IM the person you are calling out. 9. You must have a link to the issue at hand (in the OP). 10. You must define the terms to the challenge in the OP (apology, timeout, lock). 11. You must title your thread with the other person's name in it. 12. You must have a hotlink that says "Pit rules" in your OP that leads to this page. I have taken the liberty of emboldening the important parts above. I have no problem with you, though I have a problem understanding why you feel it's your duty to do the BATFE's job for them. And, since me starting a thread in the Pit to simply express disagreement with you over your opinion on calling BATFE could result in me having my account locked, I won't be doing so. As you can see, the Pit is "not the place to address" "because...you simply disagree with an opinion." |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:28:02 AM EDT
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This thread is now off to the races. Just don't get it locked until those five of us who bought one get the word passed.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:34:45 AM EDT
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Damn it. I was wanting one of those.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:35:09 AM EDT
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What a load of shit.
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:40:10 AM EDT
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Per their wording,
"pistol (AOW) any other weapon" Are they trying to do something with making AR pistols AOW's? |
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:45:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2015 12:48:37 AM EDT
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