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Posted: 8/31/2015 7:49:51 AM EDT
Guys,
Thought you might appreciate aspects of this post. I recently got back on 2 wheels and have been on many an adventure. Todays adventure led me into the depths of Surrey, south of London and home to the world Famous Bisley Ranges. Less than 1/2 mile from Bisley lies Brookwood War Cemetery, and as time wasn't a factor....went in for aa look. To say I was a little stunned is somewhat of an understatement, as I had no idea about the size of the place, and its splendour (I think that's an apt phrase) It turns out that Brookwood is the largest cemetery in the western world at over 400 acres, and has 250,000 graves. As well as a final resting place for Britains finest, there are also national Cemeteries of many of our allies. One of these graves belongs to there gentleman in the title, and he just happened to be the first one I came across. Anyway, I spent about 1/2hr looking around and these are some pics I took Memorial to the Missing 
Italian section 
Czechoslovakia 
Belgium 
American 
Next time you're passing, drop in for a look Then it was onwards and the next stop was here....but we're not doing very well so far this season :wondering: 
Then the Dorchester on Hyde Park Lane, when Arabs are in town 
Gurkha monument 
Guards 
And finally 
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Posted: 8/31/2015 7:54:49 AM EDT
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Yes!
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Posted: 8/31/2015 7:57:25 AM EDT
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Very cool, thanks for sharing.
Think you'd ever be interested in finding the record archives for the London Small Arms Co? I have a Martini-Henry I'd love to know more about! 
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:00:05 AM EDT
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Very cool, thanks for sharing. Think you'd ever be interested in finding the record archives for the London Small Arms Co? I have a Martini-Henry I'd love to know more about! Have bike will travel
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:03:08 AM EDT
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It was all good until the bottom of the post...
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:03:14 AM EDT
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How in hell did they know an unknown soldier was jewish?
Thank you for the pics. Stationed overseas I was always awestruck when visiting war cemeteries. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:03:48 AM EDT
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Cool, thanks for sharing it,
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:03:54 AM EDT
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Wow, very well indeed.
It is a somber experience to think of those who came before us and did so much. As an aside, is it wrong that I read what you write in a British accent. I just watched an episode of "Viscous" this morning. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:03:59 AM EDT
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Great post !
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:07:53 AM EDT
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Thanks OP
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:10:42 AM EDT
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I consider myself a tough guy, emotionally. But, when I see those cemetaries, I always tear up. I am not worthy to walk among their graves.
Thanks for the tour and looked like a wonderful trip. TC ETA: FC Chelsea must have a lot of players from Kuwait... 
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:12:34 AM EDT
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That place is beautiful. Thanks for the pics. Nice bike too.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:14:12 AM EDT
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How in hell did they know an unknown soldier was jewish? Thank you for the pics. Stationed overseas I was always awestruck when visiting war cemeteries. He was circumcised?
Thanks for the pics op, they are cool |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:19:53 AM EDT
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The British do war memorials very well.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:25:02 AM EDT
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Very nice, thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:25:15 AM EDT
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How in hell did they know an unknown soldier was jewish? Thank you for the pics. Stationed overseas I was always awestruck when visiting war cemeteries. Maybe something he had on his body. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:26:14 AM EDT
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Beautiful photos of a fitting final resting place for these heroes.
Thank you for a very fine post Bradders. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:28:07 AM EDT
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How in hell did they know an unknown soldier was jewish?. That did cross my mind as well |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:29:50 AM EDT
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Very cool--thanks for posting!
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:30:48 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:31:06 AM EDT
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Very interesting, OP. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:32:54 AM EDT
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Thanks for posting. What a beautiful memorial and cemetery.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:34:17 AM EDT
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Thanks for posting.
I need to start saving for a trip to the UK with the spousal unit. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:35:45 AM EDT
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Thanks for sharing your pics, hard to believe there are 250,000 people buried there.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:38:21 AM EDT
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Question,
And I mean no disrespect, but how many women went "missing" during the war? I am assuming that they were military veterans, and usually one goes missing either from capture or you body was utterly destroyed from a shell and you just disappeared or you drown at the bottom of a body of water etc. Were there many women in areas of combat that were vaporized or drowned and therefore disappeared? Or would a percentage (small I know) just say "fuck it, I'm out" and just drop out? (AWOL) Again no disrespect meant, I was just wondering how many women went "missing" during a war that were due to enemy engagement of some sort that qualified them for the wall/memorial. Let me reiterate, I mean no disrespect to the women that served and were included to the memorial, I just wondered how a woman came to the distinction during the war. Perhaps they were on a ship that was sunk? |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:47:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Question, And I mean no disrespect, but how many women went "missing" during the war? I am assuming that they were military veterans, and usually one goes missing either from capture or you body was utterly destroyed from a shell and you just disappeared or you drown at the bottom of a body of water etc. Were there many women in areas of combat that were vaporized or drowned and therefore disappeared? Or would a percentage (small I know) just say "fuck it, I'm out" and just drop out? (AWOL) Again no disrespect meant, I was just wondering how many women went "missing" during a war that were due to enemy engagement of some sort that qualified them for the wall/memorial. Let me reiterate, I mean no disrespect to the women that served and were included to the memorial, I just wondered how a woman came to the distinction during the war. Perhaps they were on a ship that was sunk? Names of the 21 US servicewomen still missing in action from World War II 2 March 2011 at 05:53 Among the 74000 Americans still missing from World War II are 21 American servicewomen, listed below. It is to America's shame that the remains of these courageous women and of all the other American MIAs of World War II are still unrecovered after so many years, largely due to the grossly insufficient funds our Government allocates to our military's remains recovery program. In honor of Women's History Month (2011), please demand from our Congressional representatives that our Government start adequately funding this program. WASP Gertrude V. Tompkins-Silver of Jersey City, New Jersey Army Nurse Corps 2nd Lt. Eloise M. Richardson of Marseilles, Illinois Army Nurse Corps 2nd Lt. Thelma M. LaFave of Elmwood, Michigan WAC PFC Rose Brohinsky of San Francisco, California WAC Sgt. Doris Cooper of Champaign, Illinois WAC PFC Flossie D. Flannery of Springport, Indiana WAC PFC Frieda C. Friend of New York, New York WAC PFC Mary M. Gollinger of Tacoma, Washington WAC CPL Velma E. Holden of Asheville, North Carolina WAC PFC Odessa Lou Hollingsworth of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma WAC PFC Alice D. King of Oswego, Oregon WAC PFC Wilma E. Liles of Dallas, Texas WAC PFC Evelyn L. McBride of Inglewood, California WAC PFC Alice Pauline McKinney of Big Bay, Michigan WAC PFC Rose F. Puchalla of Minneapolis, Minnesota WAC PFC Mildred E. Rice of Kansas City, Kansas WAC PFC Pearl Roomsburg of Lomita, California WAC PFC Helen F. Rozzelle of Washington, D.C. WAC PFC Leona M. Seyfert of Chicago, Illinois WAC PFC Ruth E. Warlick of Goldthwaite, Texas WAC PFC Bonnie L. Williams of Glenda Springs, Kansas An earlier version of this note incorrectly included the names of the following individuals, all of whom have, upon further investigation, been determined to be interred in individual or common graves at US military cemeteries: PFC Alethia M. Fair of Los Angeles, California Sgt. Helen G. Kent of Los Angeles, California PFC Mary M. Landau of Brooklyn, New York Sgt. Belle G. Naimer of New York, New York TEC3 Marion W. McMonagle of Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania S/Sgt. Laura E. Besley of Dauphin County, Pennsylvania |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:48:20 AM EDT
[#26]
Thank you for posting those.
Looks like it was a good day. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:50:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2015 8:56:20 AM EDT
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Thanks for sharing, great pictures & a nice bike!!
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:00:07 AM EDT
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Long ago, in another life, I spent a year in Montgomery, AL doing the camp follower thing while my boyfriend was at Air Command and Staff College. On one of the routes through the city, between Maxwell AFB and Gunter AFS, there was a large municipal cemetery with a small section containing the graves of Brits killed in flight training accidents during the War. I'd always stop and spend a few minutes reading the names. I'd think of these young men resting so far from their homes, their loved ones lacking the solace of even a grave to visit. And I'd cry.
We remember yours too, Bradders. We remember yours. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:00:35 AM EDT
[#30]
Very cool Bradders. Thanks for sharing
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:12:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Long ago, in another life, I spent a year in Montgomery, AL doing the camp follower thing while my boyfriend was at Air Command and Staff College. On one of the routes through the city, between Maxwell AFB and Gunter AFS, there was a large municipal cemetery with a small section containing the graves of Brits killed in flight training accidents during the War. I'd always stop and spend a few minutes reading the names. I'd think of these young men resting so far from their homes, their loved ones lacking the solace of even a grave to visit. And I'd cry. We remember yours too, Bradders. We remember yours. We've got one of those locally too. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:14:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Long ago, in another life, I spent a year in Montgomery, AL doing the camp follower thing while my boyfriend was at Air Command and Staff College. On one of the routes through the city, between Maxwell AFB and Gunter AFS, there was a large municipal cemetery with a small section containing the graves of Brits killed in flight training accidents during the War. I'd always stop and spend a few minutes reading the names. I'd think of these young men resting so far from their homes, their loved ones lacking the solace of even a grave to visit. And I'd cry. Always made me a bit sad in an unusual way.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:27:39 AM EDT
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Thanks Bradders, I didn't know that cemetery existed.
Do you know how many MIAs are in the American Cemetery and if any are from operation Overlord? (off to google) My father's father was MIA at Normandy, therefore, it appears I have another stop to add to my list for our family's future tour of GB and Europe. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:29:21 AM EDT
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How in hell did they know an unknown soldier was jewish? Thank you for the pics. Stationed overseas I was always awestruck when visiting war cemeteries. I wondered the same thing. Missing dog tags would likely lose the ID and the man's known religion. Perhaps they found something in his effects but without a name. Or sadly I thought of a delirious soldier in a hospital ward (influenza) praying in Hebrew or Yiddish, etc. Hard telling at this point. ETA I'm quietly and humbly impressed with the grand scale of those monuments to the fallen. They were done with a lot of class. As far as those MIA female service women. We lost a fair amount of ships at sea, recovery of the lost is quite difficult and sometimes impossible. I saw one of the first was a WASP, a good chance she went down at sea on a transport mission. Then there were the bombings and fires in England. RIP. I live in the Saratoga area of NY. I'm sure we have more than a few graves here from the Revolution and before. There are monuments on the battlefield but it's been a while since I've walked the field. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:34:34 AM EDT
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Nice looking monuments to fallen hero's.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 9:59:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thanks Bradders, I didn't know that cemetery existed. Do you know how many MIAs are in the American Cemetery and if any are from operation Overlord? (off to google) My father's father was MIA at Normandy, therefore, it appears I have another stop to add to my list for our family's future tour of GB and Europe. I believe that many of the WW2 dead were exhumed and reburied at the American Military Cemetery at Cambridge See here 
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:04:51 AM EDT
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We need to get Pogba in, sharpish!
Nice bike Bradders. Great pictures as well thanks. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:09:54 AM EDT
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Thank you Bradders. Can you tell us more about Gunmakers' Lane?
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:10:03 AM EDT
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I believe that many of the WW2 dead were exhumed and reburied at the American Military Cemetery at Cambridge See here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Cambridge_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thanks Bradders, I didn't know that cemetery existed. Do you know how many MIAs are in the American Cemetery and if any are from operation Overlord? (off to google) My father's father was MIA at Normandy, therefore, it appears I have another stop to add to my list for our family's future tour of GB and Europe. I believe that many of the WW2 dead were exhumed and reburied at the American Military Cemetery at Cambridge See here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Cambridge_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial.jpg Thanks again Cambridge is already on the schedule (Wife did a summer semester during law school) |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:17:48 AM EDT
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Thank you, Bradders. May the souls of all those men and women rest in peace.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:22:55 AM EDT
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Thanks for the photos
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:31:14 AM EDT
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Thank you for posting.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:57:21 AM EDT
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Thank you for the pictures.
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Posted: 8/31/2015 10:58:01 AM EDT
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Pvt Bennet was assigned to a colored unit, as near as I can tell. Looks like his unit was made up mostly of colored men from the same I area I am from.
Shortly after the US got involved in WWI the government had to stop accepting black volunteers, because all of the quota for colored soldiers had been filled. There were colored combat arms units in WWI, but most colored soldiers were assigned to labor battalions and other menial roles. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:01:34 AM EDT
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Pvt Bennet was assigned to a colored unit, as near as I can tell. Looks like his unit was made up mostly of colored men from the same I area I am from. Shortly after the US got involved in WWI the government had to stop accepting black volunteers, because all of the quota for colored soldiers had been filled. There were colored combat arms units in WWI, but most colored soldiers were assigned to labor battalions and other menial roles. Thanks for that, fascinating stuff |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:14:20 AM EDT
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We did the same in WW2 to a certain degree.
Black men were often in supply units, ie loading ships, a lot of them were in motor transport, trucking supplies from the beach to the front. It took some pushing to get all black infantry, artillery and other combat units into action. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:25:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Pvt Bennet was assigned to a colored unit, as near as I can tell. Looks like his unit was made up mostly of colored men from the same I area I am from. Shortly after the US got involved in WWI the government had to stop accepting black volunteers, because all of the quota for colored soldiers had been filled. There were colored combat arms units in WWI, but most colored soldiers were assigned to labor battalions and other menial roles. Thanks. The US Army ignored its own history of over 150k blacks serving in the Union Army during the Civil War, the 9th and 10th Cav as well as the 24th and 25th Infantry during the frontier days (and Spanish American War) as well as the American black units that Pershing penny parceled out to the Western Allies. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:31:00 AM EDT
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How in hell did they know an unknown soldier was jewish? Thank you for the pics. Stationed overseas I was always awestruck when visiting war cemeteries. It was done by percentage according to the guy at Madingley. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:34:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Long ago, in another life, I spent a year in Montgomery, AL doing the camp follower thing while my boyfriend was at Air Command and Staff College. On one of the routes through the city, between Maxwell AFB and Gunter AFS, there was a large municipal cemetery with a small section containing the graves of Brits killed in flight training accidents during the War. I'd always stop and spend a few minutes reading the names. I'd think of these young men resting so far from their homes, their loved ones lacking the solace of even a grave to visit. And I'd cry. We remember yours too, Bradders. We remember yours. At the Madingley cemetery, it was intended for WWII war dead, but three American pilots from the 1980s and 1990s are buried there at the request of HMG due to the fact their wives were British. I went to the cemetery where John Magee is buried in Lincolnshire. At least two or three Luftwaffe crews are buried there. |
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Posted: 8/31/2015 11:37:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thanks Bradders, I didn't know that cemetery existed. Do you know how many MIAs are in the American Cemetery and if any are from operation Overlord? (off to google) My father's father was MIA at Normandy, therefore, it appears I have another stop to add to my list for our family's future tour of GB and Europe. Very possible that your family is memorialized at Madingley. Many of the casualties from Exercise Tiger are also there. The families of Exercise Tiger casualties were often told their loved ones died at Normandy. |
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