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Very possible that your family is memorialized at Madingley. Many of the casualties from Exercise Tiger are also there. The families of Exercise Tiger casualties were often told their loved ones died at Normandy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks Bradders, I didn't know that cemetery existed. Do you know how many MIAs are in the American Cemetery and if any are from operation Overlord? (off to google) My father's father was MIA at Normandy, therefore, it appears I have another stop to add to my list for our family's future tour of GB and Europe. Very possible that your family is memorialized at Madingley. Many of the casualties from Exercise Tiger are also there. The families of Exercise Tiger casualties were often told their loved ones died at Normandy. I'm planning on going back to Brookwood shortly as In believe there are some MoH recipients as well as participants of the Dieppe and St Nazaire raids |
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I'm planning on going back to Brookwood shortly as In believe there are some MoH recipients as well as participants of the Dieppe and St Nazaire raids View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks Bradders, I didn't know that cemetery existed. Do you know how many MIAs are in the American Cemetery and if any are from operation Overlord? (off to google) My father's father was MIA at Normandy, therefore, it appears I have another stop to add to my list for our family's future tour of GB and Europe. Very possible that your family is memorialized at Madingley. Many of the casualties from Exercise Tiger are also there. The families of Exercise Tiger casualties were often told their loved ones died at Normandy. I'm planning on going back to Brookwood shortly as In believe there are some MoH recipients as well as participants of the Dieppe and St Nazaire raids If you do, go past the cemetery at Cardington off the A421...the small cemetery has the crash victims from the R101 there. |
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The Veterans cemetery in Hampton has RN and German navy crews buried in it from WWII.
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Very nice, hey did I see Bond, James Bond in one of those pics?
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Thanks Bradders, I didn't know that cemetery existed. Do you know how many MIAs are in the American Cemetery and if any are from operation Overlord? (off to google) My father's father was MIA at Normandy, therefore, it appears I have another stop to add to my list for our family's future tour of GB and Europe. Very possible that your family is memorialized at Madingley. Many of the casualties from Exercise Tiger are also there. The families of Exercise Tiger casualties were often told their loved ones died at Normandy. I'm planning on going back to Brookwood shortly as In believe there are some MoH recipients as well as participants of the Dieppe and St Nazaire raids If you do, go past the cemetery at Cardington off the A421...the small cemetery has the crash victims from the R101 there. It's in completely the opposite direction, and I'm not likely to be passing by that way any time soon, but thanks for the heads up |
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How in hell did they know an unknown soldier was jewish? Thank you for the pics. Stationed overseas I was always awestruck when visiting war cemeteries. It was done by percentage according to the guy at Madingley. interesting. but patently unfair to the corpse who was, almost unquestionably, not jewish. |
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How in hell did they know an unknown soldier was jewish? Thank you for the pics. Stationed overseas I was always awestruck when visiting war cemeteries. It was done by percentage according to the guy at Madingley. interesting. but patently unfair to the corpse who was, almost unquestionably, not jewish. Everyone's equal in the eyes of God etc |
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How in hell did they know an unknown soldier was jewish? Thank you for the pics. Stationed overseas I was always awestruck when visiting war cemeteries. It was done by percentage according to the guy at Madingley. interesting. but patently unfair to the corpse who was, almost unquestionably, not jewish. In the immortal words of the great internet philosopher Gary Coleman, "Who cares?" The Bedouins that found CAPT Speicher's body buried it according to their tradition, which was a noble act to the dead. |
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At the Madingley cemetery, it was intended for WWII war dead, but three American pilots from the 1980s and 1990s are buried there at the request of HMG due to the fact their wives were British. I went to the cemetery where John Magee is buried in Lincolnshire. At least two or three Luftwaffe crews are buried there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Long ago, in another life, I spent a year in Montgomery, AL doing the camp follower thing while my boyfriend was at Air Command and Staff College. On one of the routes through the city, between Maxwell AFB and Gunter AFS, there was a large municipal cemetery with a small section containing the graves of Brits killed in flight training accidents during the War. I'd always stop and spend a few minutes reading the names. I'd think of these young men resting so far from their homes, their loved ones lacking the solace of even a grave to visit. And I'd cry. We remember yours too, Bradders. We remember yours. At the Madingley cemetery, it was intended for WWII war dead, but three American pilots from the 1980s and 1990s are buried there at the request of HMG due to the fact their wives were British. I went to the cemetery where John Magee is buried in Lincolnshire. At least two or three Luftwaffe crews are buried there. As you might expect, I've long been familiar with the man's verse, though not the manner of his passing. Sad. |
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As you might expect, I've long been familiar the man's verse, though not the manner of his passing. Sad. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Long ago, in another life, I spent a year in Montgomery, AL doing the camp follower thing while my boyfriend was at Air Command and Staff College. On one of the routes through the city, between Maxwell AFB and Gunter AFS, there was a large municipal cemetery with a small section containing the graves of Brits killed in flight training accidents during the War. I'd always stop and spend a few minutes reading the names. I'd think of these young men resting so far from their homes, their loved ones lacking the solace of even a grave to visit. And I'd cry. We remember yours too, Bradders. We remember yours. At the Madingley cemetery, it was intended for WWII war dead, but three American pilots from the 1980s and 1990s are buried there at the request of HMG due to the fact their wives were British. I went to the cemetery where John Magee is buried in Lincolnshire. At least two or three Luftwaffe crews are buried there. As you might expect, I've long been familiar the man's verse, though not the manner of his passing. Sad. Midair collision over Lincolnshire. RAF Digby is still an active RAF Base, and the base crest still has the Maple Leaf on it to honor the Canadians that served there. Digby also has a couple of great historical elements...on May 8th 1945, the air defense sector operations room was closed, and kept that way until it was opened by happy accident in the late 1990s. When it was opened, save for some minor water damage, it was pretty much the way it was left 50 years previously. Also, some of the last extant fighter alert revetments are at Digby. |
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Thanks for posting this Bradders, excellent post.
But I'm sorry to hear the US is no longer part of the Western world. |
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So, here's a bizarre WWII military cemetery note.
My father was in the 313th Infantry Regiment, 79th Division from post OCS (Jul 1942) until his second wound in France (Oct 1944) - except while he was in the hospital in the UK from his first wound (he went AWOL and rejoined his unit - there was a form for that).. In the Lorraine American Cemetery there is a PFC buried with our last name, but from Iowa (Dad was born in Indiana), from the same unit. That fellow died in January 1945. Dad was unaware of the guy - you'd think somebody would have said "hey, Lieutenant, are you related to PFC Jim in Company _?" Dad was surprised when he was shown the grave (the cemetery superintendent looked up names as people signed in the visitors book so he could show them where family members were buried and assumed Dad was related). The regimental history lists this fellow, but not when he joined the regiment (after Dad was wounded?). He also shows up as being assigned to the AT Company, 307th Infantry Regiment, 77th Division. Maybe he was wounded and then assigned to the 313th? |
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How in hell did they know an unknown soldier was jewish? Thank you for the pics. Stationed overseas I was always awestruck when visiting war cemeteries. It was done by percentage according to the guy at Madingley. interesting. but patently unfair to the corpse who was, almost unquestionably, not jewish. Can't prove he was Chrstian either. Or Muslim, or Buddhist, or anything. So you've got decent odds of being "unfair", even if you put up no symbol, so the most "fair" thing is actually to allocate it by percentage. Then, at least, the numbers are properly represented. |
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In the immortal words of the great internet philosopher Gary Coleman, "Who cares?" The Bedouins that found CAPT Speicher's body buried it according to their tradition, which was a noble act to the dead. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How in hell did they know an unknown soldier was jewish? Thank you for the pics. Stationed overseas I was always awestruck when visiting war cemeteries. It was done by percentage according to the guy at Madingley. interesting. but patently unfair to the corpse who was, almost unquestionably, not jewish. In the immortal words of the great internet philosopher Gary Coleman, "Who cares?" The Bedouins that found CAPT Speicher's body buried it according to their tradition, which was a noble act to the dead. The latter example does not exactly equate to graves registration in WW2, however. A minor detail that at least you explained the reasoning. I wonder what the ratio was for the various religions. |
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US personnel KIA in France during OVERLORD and associated operations are buried at the Normandy American Cemetery. The American Battlefield Monuments Commission is in charge of oversees military cemeteries. One of my old battalion commanders, retired general Jim Dickey, used to be the secretary or whatever for Europe. I used to know all the staff at the Florence and the Sicily-Rome Military Cemeteries. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Thanks Bradders, I didn't know that cemetery existed. Do you know how many MIAs are in the American Cemetery and if any are from operation Overlord? (off to google) My father's father was MIA at Normandy, therefore, it appears I have another stop to add to my list for our family's future tour of GB and Europe. I believe that many of the WW2 dead were exhumed and reburied at the American Military Cemetery at Cambridge See here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Cambridge_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial.jpg US personnel KIA in France during OVERLORD and associated operations are buried at the Normandy American Cemetery. The American Battlefield Monuments Commission is in charge of oversees military cemeteries. One of my old battalion commanders, retired general Jim Dickey, used to be the secretary or whatever for Europe. I used to know all the staff at the Florence and the Sicily-Rome Military Cemeteries. Unless they were Medevac'd back to Britain and died there |
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Thanks for posting OP.
I was able to visit the Cambridge American Cemetery back in February. A beautiful and well maintained place. Was able to get an incredible tour on a cold windy day by one of the staff members. Unfortunately I don't have any pictures, but the chapel interior is something to see if you haven't been there. |
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Quoted: Unless they were Medevac'd back to Britain and died there View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thanks Bradders, I didn't know that cemetery existed. Do you know how many MIAs are in the American Cemetery and if any are from operation Overlord? (off to google) My father's father was MIA at Normandy, therefore, it appears I have another stop to add to my list for our family's future tour of GB and Europe. I believe that many of the WW2 dead were exhumed and reburied at the American Military Cemetery at Cambridge See here https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/Cambridge_American_Cemetery_and_Memorial.jpg US personnel KIA in France during OVERLORD and associated operations are buried at the Normandy American Cemetery. The American Battlefield Monuments Commission is in charge of oversees military cemeteries. One of my old battalion commanders, retired general Jim Dickey, used to be the secretary or whatever for Europe. I used to know all the staff at the Florence and the Sicily-Rome Military Cemeteries. Unless they were Medevac'd back to Britain and died there Separated by a common language! Killed In Action in France means they died in France. If they were medically evacuated (ya'll say "casevac'd") to Blighty and died on fair Albion's soil, then they "Died Of Wounds" in Britain. KIA in Normandy, buried in Normandy. DOW in the UK, buried in the UK. Unless the family requested the return of the remains postwar. After the war, our folks had some serious rules about where bodies were re-interred when the field cemeteries were consolidated in Europe, but there are exceptions (the six Yanks buried in your Commonwealth cemetery in Durenbach, Germany - in Bavaria - should have been moved to the Epinal American Cemetery where those that were KIA in Germany are buried, but weren't - we have no cemeteries in Germany). Your Commonwealth war Graves Commission has smaller cemeteries - we consolidated |
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Names of the 21 US servicewomen still missing in action from World War II 2 March 2011 at 05:53 Among the 74000 Americans still missing from World War II are 21 American servicewomen, listed below. It is to America's shame that the remains of these courageous women and of all the other American MIAs of World War II are still unrecovered after so many years, largely due to the grossly insufficient funds our Government allocates to our military's remains recovery program. In honor of Women's History Month (2011), please demand from our Congressional representatives that our Government start adequately funding this program. WASP Gertrude V. Tompkins-Silver of Jersey City, New Jersey Army Nurse Corps 2nd Lt. Eloise M. Richardson of Marseilles, Illinois Army Nurse Corps 2nd Lt. Thelma M. LaFave of Elmwood, Michigan WAC PFC Rose Brohinsky of San Francisco, California WAC Sgt. Doris Cooper of Champaign, Illinois WAC PFC Flossie D. Flannery of Springport, Indiana WAC PFC Frieda C. Friend of New York, New York WAC PFC Mary M. Gollinger of Tacoma, Washington WAC CPL Velma E. Holden of Asheville, North Carolina WAC PFC Odessa Lou Hollingsworth of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma WAC PFC Alice D. King of Oswego, Oregon WAC PFC Wilma E. Liles of Dallas, Texas WAC PFC Evelyn L. McBride of Inglewood, California WAC PFC Alice Pauline McKinney of Big Bay, Michigan WAC PFC Rose F. Puchalla of Minneapolis, Minnesota WAC PFC Mildred E. Rice of Kansas City, Kansas WAC PFC Pearl Roomsburg of Lomita, California WAC PFC Helen F. Rozzelle of Washington, D.C. WAC PFC Leona M. Seyfert of Chicago, Illinois WAC PFC Ruth E. Warlick of Goldthwaite, Texas WAC PFC Bonnie L. Williams of Glenda Springs, Kansas An earlier version of this note incorrectly included the names of the following individuals, all of whom have, upon further investigation, been determined to be interred in individual or common graves at US military cemeteries: PFC Alethia M. Fair of Los Angeles, California Sgt. Helen G. Kent of Los Angeles, California PFC Mary M. Landau of Brooklyn, New York Sgt. Belle G. Naimer of New York, New York TEC3 Marion W. McMonagle of Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania S/Sgt. Laura E. Besley of Dauphin County, Pennsylvania View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Question, And I mean no disrespect, but how many women went "missing" during the war? I am assuming that they were military veterans, and usually one goes missing either from capture or you body was utterly destroyed from a shell and you just disappeared or you drown at the bottom of a body of water etc. Were there many women in areas of combat that were vaporized or drowned and therefore disappeared? Or would a percentage (small I know) just say "fuck it, I'm out" and just drop out? (AWOL) Again no disrespect meant, I was just wondering how many women went "missing" during a war that were due to enemy engagement of some sort that qualified them for the wall/memorial. Let me reiterate, I mean no disrespect to the women that served and were included to the memorial, I just wondered how a woman came to the distinction during the war. Perhaps they were on a ship that was sunk? Names of the 21 US servicewomen still missing in action from World War II 2 March 2011 at 05:53 Among the 74000 Americans still missing from World War II are 21 American servicewomen, listed below. It is to America's shame that the remains of these courageous women and of all the other American MIAs of World War II are still unrecovered after so many years, largely due to the grossly insufficient funds our Government allocates to our military's remains recovery program. In honor of Women's History Month (2011), please demand from our Congressional representatives that our Government start adequately funding this program. WASP Gertrude V. Tompkins-Silver of Jersey City, New Jersey Army Nurse Corps 2nd Lt. Eloise M. Richardson of Marseilles, Illinois Army Nurse Corps 2nd Lt. Thelma M. LaFave of Elmwood, Michigan WAC PFC Rose Brohinsky of San Francisco, California WAC Sgt. Doris Cooper of Champaign, Illinois WAC PFC Flossie D. Flannery of Springport, Indiana WAC PFC Frieda C. Friend of New York, New York WAC PFC Mary M. Gollinger of Tacoma, Washington WAC CPL Velma E. Holden of Asheville, North Carolina WAC PFC Odessa Lou Hollingsworth of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma WAC PFC Alice D. King of Oswego, Oregon WAC PFC Wilma E. Liles of Dallas, Texas WAC PFC Evelyn L. McBride of Inglewood, California WAC PFC Alice Pauline McKinney of Big Bay, Michigan WAC PFC Rose F. Puchalla of Minneapolis, Minnesota WAC PFC Mildred E. Rice of Kansas City, Kansas WAC PFC Pearl Roomsburg of Lomita, California WAC PFC Helen F. Rozzelle of Washington, D.C. WAC PFC Leona M. Seyfert of Chicago, Illinois WAC PFC Ruth E. Warlick of Goldthwaite, Texas WAC PFC Bonnie L. Williams of Glenda Springs, Kansas An earlier version of this note incorrectly included the names of the following individuals, all of whom have, upon further investigation, been determined to be interred in individual or common graves at US military cemeteries: PFC Alethia M. Fair of Los Angeles, California Sgt. Helen G. Kent of Los Angeles, California PFC Mary M. Landau of Brooklyn, New York Sgt. Belle G. Naimer of New York, New York TEC3 Marion W. McMonagle of Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania S/Sgt. Laura E. Besley of Dauphin County, Pennsylvania Got it, but it still doesn't answer my question. How did they die in such a way that they were missing in action? (or captured) Specifically I am most curious about WW I and WW II |
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Got it, but it still doesn't answer my question. How did they die in such a way that they were missing in action? (or captured) Specifically I am most curious about WW I and WW II View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Question, And I mean no disrespect, but how many women went "missing" during the war? I am assuming that they were military veterans, and usually one goes missing either from capture or you body was utterly destroyed from a shell and you just disappeared or you drown at the bottom of a body of water etc. Were there many women in areas of combat that were vaporized or drowned and therefore disappeared? Or would a percentage (small I know) just say "fuck it, I'm out" and just drop out? (AWOL) Again no disrespect meant, I was just wondering how many women went "missing" during a war that were due to enemy engagement of some sort that qualified them for the wall/memorial. Let me reiterate, I mean no disrespect to the women that served and were included to the memorial, I just wondered how a woman came to the distinction during the war. Perhaps they were on a ship that was sunk? Names of the 21 US servicewomen still missing in action from World War II 2 March 2011 at 05:53 Among the 74000 Americans still missing from World War II are 21 American servicewomen, listed below. It is to America's shame that the remains of these courageous women and of all the other American MIAs of World War II are still unrecovered after so many years, largely due to the grossly insufficient funds our Government allocates to our military's remains recovery program. In honor of Women's History Month (2011), please demand from our Congressional representatives that our Government start adequately funding this program. WASP Gertrude V. Tompkins-Silver of Jersey City, New Jersey Army Nurse Corps 2nd Lt. Eloise M. Richardson of Marseilles, Illinois Army Nurse Corps 2nd Lt. Thelma M. LaFave of Elmwood, Michigan WAC PFC Rose Brohinsky of San Francisco, California WAC Sgt. Doris Cooper of Champaign, Illinois WAC PFC Flossie D. Flannery of Springport, Indiana WAC PFC Frieda C. Friend of New York, New York WAC PFC Mary M. Gollinger of Tacoma, Washington WAC CPL Velma E. Holden of Asheville, North Carolina WAC PFC Odessa Lou Hollingsworth of Oklahoma City, Oklahoma WAC PFC Alice D. King of Oswego, Oregon WAC PFC Wilma E. Liles of Dallas, Texas WAC PFC Evelyn L. McBride of Inglewood, California WAC PFC Alice Pauline McKinney of Big Bay, Michigan WAC PFC Rose F. Puchalla of Minneapolis, Minnesota WAC PFC Mildred E. Rice of Kansas City, Kansas WAC PFC Pearl Roomsburg of Lomita, California WAC PFC Helen F. Rozzelle of Washington, D.C. WAC PFC Leona M. Seyfert of Chicago, Illinois WAC PFC Ruth E. Warlick of Goldthwaite, Texas WAC PFC Bonnie L. Williams of Glenda Springs, Kansas An earlier version of this note incorrectly included the names of the following individuals, all of whom have, upon further investigation, been determined to be interred in individual or common graves at US military cemeteries: PFC Alethia M. Fair of Los Angeles, California Sgt. Helen G. Kent of Los Angeles, California PFC Mary M. Landau of Brooklyn, New York Sgt. Belle G. Naimer of New York, New York TEC3 Marion W. McMonagle of Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania S/Sgt. Laura E. Besley of Dauphin County, Pennsylvania Got it, but it still doesn't answer my question. How did they die in such a way that they were missing in action? (or captured) Specifically I am most curious about WW I and WW II Your google-fu is weak. 18 were on a C-47 that went missing in Africa https://www.facebook.com/notes/gary-zaetz/pentagon-has-forgotten-americas-mia-women-of-world-war-ii/461751670518219 |
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Long ago, in another life, I spent a year in Montgomery, AL doing the camp follower thing while my boyfriend was at Air Command and Staff College. On one of the routes through the city, between Maxwell AFB and Gunter AFS, there was a large municipal cemetery with a small section containing the graves of Brits killed in flight training accidents during the War. I'd always stop and spend a few minutes reading the names. I'd think of these young men resting so far from their homes, their loved ones lacking the solace of even a grave to visit. And I'd cry. We remember yours too, Bradders. We remember yours. View Quote Reminds me of the Battle of King's Mountain, in Western South Carolina. The British commander, Patrick Ferguson, is the only one buried there. |
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Pvt Bennet was assigned to a colored unit, as near as I can tell. Looks like his unit was made up mostly of colored men from the same I area I am from. Shortly after the US got involved in WWI the government had to stop accepting black volunteers, because all of the quota for colored soldiers had been filled. There were colored combat arms units in WWI, but most colored soldiers were assigned to labor battalions and other menial roles. Thanks for that, fascinating stuff I was reading up on some WW1 stuff for family history for Ma Danby, she was able to get a headstone picture for her grandmothers first husband. He was an SPC. Which was a rank between about 1920 and during WW2 and then apparently re-instated again after that. Didn't know that earlier version existed, But in my research, primarily to ranks in WW1 that might be SPC, SRG, SFC, the picture of the headstone wasn't all that clear, so looking to see what might fit the three apparent letters. I found several references to us black troops being assigned to the French Army and they were used as combat troops. http://www.worldwar1.com/dbc/detached.htm |
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