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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:39:29 AM EDT
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I wouldn't.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:40:12 AM EDT
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I have a friend with a business on the outskirts of Ferguson, with project housing literally across the street. We and some others were discussing his options if 'looting for justice' begins. At one end of the opinion spectrum is a guy who thinks he should make sure his insurance is paid up and then just let the mob have its way. If you shoot one of them, life as you know it is over. You would likely lose your business and savings and be forced to move away, at a minimum. At the other end of the spectrum is a guy who thinks that being hidden on the roof with a suppressed .22 is the way to go. Looters who were hit would likely leave without expiring (at least on the spot) and if you were hidden from their view (and that of helicopters) criminal charges would be unlikely. What sayeth Arfcom? Needs moar .50 BMG |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:41:07 AM EDT
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Step 1: Don't own a business in or near the ghetto.
If you failed in step 1, I'm with this guy: Quoted:
At one end of the opinion spectrum is a guy who thinks he should make sure his insurance is paid up and then just let the mob have its way. Then sell the property and start up somewhere nice instead. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:41:54 AM EDT
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I have a friend with a business on the outskirts of Ferguson, with project housing literally across the street. We and some others were discussing his options if 'looting for justice' begins. At one end of the opinion spectrum is a guy who thinks he should make sure his insurance is paid up and then just let the mob have its way. If you shoot one of them, life as you know it is over. You would likely lose your business and savings and be forced to move away, at a minimum. At the other end of the spectrum is a guy who thinks that being hidden on the roof with a suppressed .22 is the way to go. Looters who were hit would likely leave without expiring (at least on the spot) and if you were hidden from their view (and that of helicopters) criminal charges would be unlikely. What sayeth Arfcom? Solid plan. He should move out anything he doesn't want to lose or that has sentimental value right now. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:42:19 AM EDT
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With every sob out there with a cell phone (camera, video), I wouldn't be there.
You're also taking the chance that one of the "natives" might shoot back. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:43:34 AM EDT
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Most insurance policies have exclusions. Riots being one of them. I'd pack up everything and haul ass.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:43:51 AM EDT
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I'd check if my insurance included coverage for riots. Then I'd move some stock out in anticipation of the wave of socialist redistribution. If they burn it down, fuggit. I'd collect my insurance ducats, close permanently and reopen in a better area.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:46:18 AM EDT
[#8]
Lots of ammo and a sandbag fortification in front of the building. Shoot individuals lighting Molotov cocktails on sight.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:47:39 AM EDT
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I'd check if my insurance included coverage for riots. Then I'd move some stock out in anticipation of the wave of socialist redistribution. If they burn it down, fuggit. I'd collect my insurance ducats, close permanently and reopen in a better area. This. Whether or not it was legal to do so, that is not a situation in which I would use deadly force. YMMV. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:47:59 AM EDT
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Koreans.
Lots of Koreans.  |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:49:20 AM EDT
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Pull any sentimental things out. Let them burn it. Don't rebuild and let them fucking starve like ethiopians
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:49:33 AM EDT
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I would be ready so if they start cruising with maltoves, you can shot them before they are thrown. Turn the thug mobile into a fiery thug-que.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:49:36 AM EDT
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I would do exactly like my dealers are doing there now, board up with plywood, take out extra insurance on inventory, and shut down for the week. No sense in fighting it.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:49:37 AM EDT
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A display of armed determination will be enough to turn the locals away. The pro's brought in by Jackson and Sharpton might get up enough balls, but they're subject to an instinct for survival, too. All of them will attack a person or a business that presents an easy target, they aren't too keen to get blood on their Nikes.
It'll be interesting to find out if local law enforcement believes it can start confiscating firearms, although that will be like plugging the dike with a marshmallow. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:50:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of ammo and a sandbag fortification in front of the building. Shoot individuals lighting Molotov cocktails on sight. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:50:13 AM EDT
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Is it really worth the potential horrors of owning a business where the customers consist in great part, of thieves, thugs and looters?
I'd try like he'll to get out of that area. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:50:18 AM EDT
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Lots of ammo and a sandbag fortification in front of the building. Shoot individuals lighting Molotov cocktails on sight. Seriously? You would conduct a one man reenactment of The Alamo? |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:50:33 AM EDT
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Just gather a bunch of friends and neighboring business owners to hang around with rifles. Even a mob will get the message.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:51:44 AM EDT
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Seriously? You would conduct a one man reenactment of The Alamo? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of ammo and a sandbag fortification in front of the building. Shoot individuals lighting Molotov cocktails on sight. Seriously? You would conduct a one man reenactment of The Alamo? No, I would bring my friends along.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:52:07 AM EDT
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I'd let it burn. Then use the insurance money to quietly gtfo. Anyone who shoots a looter even in a legal shoot will never get a fair trial and will be lynched.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:52:35 AM EDT
[#21]
Stand up for your shit rather than give away your hard earned business. Watch the news like a hawk and as soon as the announcement is made lock the doors and stay inside and heavily armed. Letting the thugs win is not the answer.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:54:20 AM EDT
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I don't live or work in Mogadishu.
Same logic would apply to Fergustan |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:54:43 AM EDT
[#23]
Make sure insurance payments are up. Watch it burn. Then take the insurance money and set up shop in someplace that's not a ghetto shit hole?
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:55:24 AM EDT
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It'll be interesting to find out if local law enforcement believes it can start confiscating firearms, although that will be like plugging the dike with a marshmallow. This is part of what keeps me from voting for "stand out front with a rifle". If the cops decide they don't like that and take your guns, I'd hope for a ride out of the area as well, because otherwise you're disarmed and in a really rough spot. 
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:55:54 AM EDT
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Lots of ammo and a sandbag fortification in front of the building. Shoot individuals lighting Molotov cocktails on sight. The only correct answer. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:57:29 AM EDT
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Step 1: Don't own a business in or near the ghetto. If you failed in step 1, I'm with this guy: Then sell the property and start up somewhere nice instead. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Step 1: Don't own a business in or near the ghetto. If you failed in step 1, I'm with this guy: Quoted:
At one end of the opinion spectrum is a guy who thinks he should make sure his insurance is paid up and then just let the mob have its way. Then sell the property and start up somewhere nice instead. That's pretty much what I came here to say...... get situated, and if it goes bad, take advantage to GTFO |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:58:17 AM EDT
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The only correct answer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of ammo and a sandbag fortification in front of the building. Shoot individuals lighting Molotov cocktails on sight. The only correct answer. Agree. During the King Riots, we heard that there were folks with molotov cocktails. I began carrying two spare magazines from that day onward (41 rounds of 45 ACP total). |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:58:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:59:11 AM EDT
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No, I would bring my friends along. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of ammo and a sandbag fortification in front of the building. Shoot individuals lighting Molotov cocktails on sight. Seriously? You would conduct a one man reenactment of The Alamo? No, I would bring my friends along. Fair enough. Who would take care of your family while you're in prison or dead? Look,they are looking for a white guy to string up by his nutsack as it appears the officer did everything right. I would do everything I could to not be that guy,unless to protect my family. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 11:59:48 AM EDT
[#30]
Some people need to go in the ground...
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:00:30 PM EDT
[#31]
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I have a friend with a business on the outskirts of Ferguson, with project housing literally across the street. We and some others were discussing his options if 'looting for justice' begins. At one end of the opinion spectrum is a guy who thinks he should make sure his insurance is paid up and then just let the mob have its way. If you shoot one of them, life as you know it is over. You would likely lose your business and savings and be forced to move away, at a minimum. At the other end of the spectrum is a guy who thinks that being hidden on the roof with a suppressed .22 is the way to go. Looters who were hit would likely leave without expiring (at least on the spot) and if you were hidden from their view (and that of helicopters) criminal charges would be unlikely. What sayeth Arfcom? The second option is definately the worse out of the two. I would probably stay in the store and hunker down. Make sure the rioters know that someone is there and armed. They probably won't mess with it as they are looking for the low hanging fruit. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:02:10 PM EDT
[#32]
If I had a business in Ferguson, I wouldn't have a business in Ferguson anymore.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:03:07 PM EDT
[#33]
I would park my fully insured car out front.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:03:22 PM EDT
[#34]
I would have sold out and moved long ago.
Even if the mob gets what they want and don't riot, the die has already been cast: Ferguson will soon go the way of Detroit, Newark and every other nice working-class city that gets ghetto-ified. It's just a matter of time. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:04:17 PM EDT
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I would do exactly like my dealers are doing there now, board up with plywood, take out extra insurance on inventory, and shut down for the week. No sense in fighting it. If I was a dealer there I would have as much of my guns and ammo moved out as possible. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:04:52 PM EDT
[#36]
I'd walk away. Just... walk away.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:07:18 PM EDT
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I'd walk away. Just... walk away. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:07:35 PM EDT
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The second option is definately the worse out of the two. I would probably stay in the store and hunker down. Make sure the rioters know that someone is there and armed. They probably won't mess with it as they are looking for the low hanging fruit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a friend with a business on the outskirts of Ferguson, with project housing literally across the street. We and some others were discussing his options if 'looting for justice' begins. At one end of the opinion spectrum is a guy who thinks he should make sure his insurance is paid up and then just let the mob have its way. If you shoot one of them, life as you know it is over. You would likely lose your business and savings and be forced to move away, at a minimum. At the other end of the spectrum is a guy who thinks that being hidden on the roof with a suppressed .22 is the way to go. Looters who were hit would likely leave without expiring (at least on the spot) and if you were hidden from their view (and that of helicopters) criminal charges would be unlikely. What sayeth Arfcom? The second option is definately the worse out of the two. I would probably stay in the store and hunker down. Make sure the rioters know that someone is there and armed. They probably won't mess with it as they are looking for the low hanging fruit. Maybe. But that is a hell of a gamble. I could see myself doing that if I were a single man. But not now. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:07:50 PM EDT
[#39]
Didn't the local police tell everyone to arm themselves and get ready?
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:07:59 PM EDT
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Is it really worth the potential horrors of owning a business where the customers consist in great part, of thieves, thugs and looters? I'd try like he'll to get out of that area. 
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:08:17 PM EDT
[#41]
IBTL...
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:09:04 PM EDT
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Lots of ammo and a sandbag fortification in front of the building. Shoot individuals lighting Molotov cocktails on sight. American have the right and duty to protect their life, liberty and property. These "people" don't have the right to riot no matter how pissed they are. and in fact despite being pissed they should not be rioting anyway. Bring friends too. All you need to is shoot over their head. The snapping bullets will be hard to miss. and if they persist... shoot THEM.They had a chance to clear out, you gave it to them. They have made their choice. If a Molotov is seen anywhere nearby shot them. that a clear felonious crime and a danger to all it would be a good shoot. Your store is going to burn anyway, now or even weeks after "to get even" may as well make it as hard as possible. The last thing we need to do is roll over in front of such lawless behavior and act like its ok for tem to do this...Bullshit it is. BTW you can use camera too. you can film the mob coming and clearly show what you are defending. Your life and livelihood, you feed your children on the income from this place, you've thousands of dollars in inventory investments. Nothing wrong with that. And when it burns (and it will) leave let the building owner deal with it. leave the burned out hulk in the neighborhood so the morons can see how well behaving like idiots does for their community. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:09:21 PM EDT
[#43]
I would question why I hadn't moved my business 20 years ago?
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:10:13 PM EDT
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Fair enough. Who would take care of your family while you're in prison or dead? Look,they are looking for a white guy to string up by his nutsack as it appears the officer did everything right. I would do everything I could to not be that guy,unless to protect my family. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of ammo and a sandbag fortification in front of the building. Shoot individuals lighting Molotov cocktails on sight. Seriously? You would conduct a one man reenactment of The Alamo? No, I would bring my friends along. Fair enough. Who would take care of your family while you're in prison or dead? Look,they are looking for a white guy to string up by his nutsack as it appears the officer did everything right. I would do everything I could to not be that guy,unless to protect my family. Odds are the show of force would be enough of a deterrent. They know the cops have internal rules of engagement they have to abide by and that emboldens them. The only thing I would have to follow is the law and Missouri has a stand your ground law. It is highly unlikely I would be indicted, let along convicted of shooting someone who was getting ready to toss a Molotov cocktail or a group of charging rioters. In those situations it is pretty easy to argue that you are in imminent fear of great bodily harm or death. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:13:03 PM EDT
[#45]
Dial 911. The police will protect me.
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:13:33 PM EDT
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This is part of what keeps me from voting for "stand out front with a rifle". If the cops decide they don't like that and take your guns, I'd hope for a ride out of the area as well, because otherwise you're disarmed and in a really rough spot.
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It'll be interesting to find out if local law enforcement believes it can start confiscating firearms, although that will be like plugging the dike with a marshmallow. This is part of what keeps me from voting for "stand out front with a rifle". If the cops decide they don't like that and take your guns, I'd hope for a ride out of the area as well, because otherwise you're disarmed and in a really rough spot.
It's a 10 minute drive to buy another firearm, as many as a person could afford or carry. A little band of locals warrants a close watch, they'll be a threat when they start dancing a jive, throwing gang signs, and then goad one of their group to cross the line. When that one gets killed, they'll run for the nearest corner of a building to hide. If one of them pokes an arm out in ghetto blasting style, shoot him through the wrist to discourage uncivil anti-social behavior. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:15:46 PM EDT
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Quoted:What sayeth Arfcom? He has chosen poorly. The "project" has likely been there for +40-50 years as that was America's golden age of project building. Gathering all of the most non-productive people in the area together into one place. What possibly could go wrong? There are businesses that cater to these sorts of people - car loans, payday loans, pawn shops, liquor stores, "smoke" shops ... hopefully your friend owns one of those and picked the location because of that ... otherwise ... bad move that's going to have costs. Bottomline - close the business move. The rioters are trying to tell him that ... he's just not hearing their message. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:16:43 PM EDT
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Pull any sentimental things out. Let them burn it. Don't rebuild and let them fucking starve like ethiopians Insurance exclusions for terrorism and rioting might screw getting $ Then the city sues you to clean it up and if you did get insurance $ you spend a chunk doing that. Bad situation all the way around. |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:17:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd walk away. Just... walk away.  |
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Posted: 11/22/2014 12:17:08 PM EDT
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Odds are the show of force would be enough of a deterrent. They know the cops have internal rules of engagement they have to abide by and that emboldens them. The only thing I would have to follow is the law and Missouri has a stand your ground law. It is highly unlikely I would be indicted, let along convicted of shooting someone who was getting ready to toss a Molotov cocktail or a group of charging rioters. In those situations it is pretty easy to argue that you are in imminent fear of great bodily harm or death. "He wasn't throwing a Molotov cocktail - he was passing a basketball when he was shot. His hands were in the air when he was shot ... no justice ... no peace ... " |
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