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Posted: 8/1/2002 3:52:40 AM EDT
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No afront to the obvious outrage... But people here die every day with out so much as a "fare thee well".
I find it hard to be upset by this, innocent bystanders. Not my family or a loved one. RIP. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 4:03:55 AM EDT
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Yeah, 'tough cookies', eh, [b]Badseed[/b]?
Here's a pic of one of your slain countryman that shouldn't concern you, either: [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020801/capt.1028174861.israel_palestinians_cak102.jpg[/img] Caption: This 2001 family photograph shows Boston-native Janis Ruth Coulter, who was killed when a bomb exploded at Hebrew University in Jerusalem, Wednesday, July 31, 2002. Coulter, who worked at the school's New York admissions office, was in Israel escorting students. (AP Photo) Eric The(Saddened)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 4:11:58 AM EDT
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Well, the MAHAL2000 program referenced above, is only for us Jews, and only for those of us up to age 30, which puts an awful lot of us guys over the limit.
There is, or at least was, a program that a lot of us old farts, and I'm pretty sure non Jews could be involved with. It involves doing maintainance and repair on IDF equipment, at bases around the country. Given that a fair number of you guys are probably skilled enough to work with small arms in need of depot type maintainance, and there aren't any age limits, you might want to check this out. I'm sorry that I don't have any detail on the program or a web site to refer you to. I heard about it some years ago from a woman who had spent several months doing it. I'd would have checked into it further, but I was on the verge of getting married at the time and had other priorities [:D]. My informant said she had spent most of her time cleaning and helping to refurbish armor equipment. As I recall, you pay your own way over but once there you're housed and fed at an IDF base, work a five day week, and have evenings and weekends off to sightsee or whatever. It ain't glamorous, but it would free up one more IDF soldier to go and fight the good fight. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 4:15:54 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Question: Since the terrorists have now ALSO killed Arabs, does that mean the Arabs are no longer our enemies???? What is this 'our' bit? You have ALWAYS liked muslims cause they kill Jews, which you agree with in spite of you lame protestations to the contrary. You even support killing of Americans, just as long as they are Jews, or dealing with Jews. Nice personal attack, dude. Care to say that to my face? Or hide behind a keyboard, accusing me of supporting and encouraging murder. Nice job by Mods STILL allowing this stuff to go on. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 4:35:00 AM EDT
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Quoted: Not my family or a loved one. RIP. Nice to see you have such a loving attitude towards your fellow Americans. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 4:43:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Question: Since the terrorists have now ALSO killed Arabs, does that mean the Arabs are no longer our enemies???? What is this 'our' bit? You have ALWAYS liked muslims cause they kill Jews, which you agree with in spite of you lame protestations to the contrary. You even support killing of Americans, just as long as they are Jews, or dealing with Jews. Nice personal attack, dude. Care to say that to my face? Or hide behind a keyboard, accusing me of supporting and encouraging murder. Nice job by Mods STILL allowing this stuff to go on. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 4:47:08 AM EDT
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Quoted: I find it hard to be upset by this, innocent bystanders. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 4:47:16 AM EDT
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Quoted: What would you do if he did say it to your face? Who knows. Prolly nothing. But he should have the moral charachter to be willing to find out. MEN behave that way. Call me old fashioned, but my code of acceptable conduct makes it necessary to be face to face whem I accuse someone of being an accomplice to murder. ESPECIALLY when that someone is a brother in arms. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 4:58:44 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: What would you do if he did say it to your face? Who knows. Prolly nothing. But he should have the moral charachter to be willing to find out. MEN behave that way. Call me old fashioned, but my code of acceptable conduct makes it necessary to be face to face whem I accuse someone of being an accomplice to murder. ESPECIALLY when that someone is a brother in arms. It seems that you have sided with the Palestinians in prior posts. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 5:01:27 AM EDT
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G-Man, if I may try to respond to your question.
Quoted: Question: Since the terrorists have now ALSO killed Arabs, does that mean the Arabs are no longer our enemies???? I think it shows that their goal is not a Palestinian state. It shows that they hate Americans and Israelis so much that they are willing to kill their own people (in addition to the bombers), or anyone else that might be nearby, in order to kill Americans and Israelis. Statehood is not their intent. Murdering people is. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 5:37:16 AM EDT
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You know, if you ever have a chance to ask these Palestinian leaders any questions, just try and ask them if they believe that Israel has a right to exist.
Talk about artfully dodging a question! They will never, ever come to the point and tell you the truth. They will hem and haw and talk about homeland, and then throw in something about a 'return.' A 'return'? Yes, a return to our homes! Which homes? The ones we lost as a result of the creation of Israel, more or less. You mean the ones that you left due to the creation of the State of Israel? Yes, those, as well as the homes that were taken from us before then! Before the creation of the State of Israel? Yes, the ones that were stolen from us by the Jews! Stolen? Yes, they took the homes from us! Took them? You mean the Jews [u]bought[/u] them from you? Yes, but for shameful prices, and we did not know what was to come, and we would never have sold them these homes if it would mean that we would lose our homeland....etc., etc., etc. I swear that is the lame-azzed story I heard from a Palestinian fellow being interviewed last night on Ashley Banfield's show on MSNBC! They hate the Jews for having bought their homes from them PRIOR to the creation of the State of Israel, and these folks will not be satisfied until they are permitted to 'return' to those homes! Can you believe it? Eric The(WhatIdiots!)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 5:40:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think it shows that their goal is not a Palestinian state. It shows that they hate Americans and Israelis so much that they are willing to kill their own people (in addition to the bombers), or anyone else that might be nearby, in order to kill Americans and Israelis. Statehood is not their intent. Murdering people is. Thanks for a reasoned, non -shrieking response. I think its QUITE obvious that the goal of the terrorists who happen to be Palestinian (in contrast to other Palestinains who have NOT committed or even considered acts of terrorism) is NOT for a Palstinian state - it is indeed to eradicate israel, AND anyone who sides with israel, whether they be American, or even Arab. Focusing on the fact that these Palestinian terrorists are killing Arabs who do NOT commit acts of terrorism, it seems clear to me that the mere reality of being Arab DOES NOT make a person our enemy. When Arabs kill Arabs who DO peacefully co-exist with Jews, it becomes clear that being of Arab descent is NOT sufficient reason to kill someone. The only reason I bring this up is that is see way too much testosterone and bravado round here saying "Kill 'em all." When my brothers in arms advocate genocide, I gotta speak up. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 5:53:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: The only reason I bring this up is that is see way too much testosterone and bravado round here saying "Kill 'em all." When my brothers in arms advocate genocide, I gotta speak up. So, you're implying that only the homicide bomber is guilty, and he's dead, so there are no more terrorists left? Or are you saying that as long as the remaining terrorists hide among the innocents, they be left alone? I think if you lost someone you really loved in this manner, you would be clamoring to root out the terrorsts, and if they chose to hide among innocents (they do), you would be ready to kill them all and let God sort them out. Right? I know I would. At the very least, kill the family of the homicide bombers. This will not end until one side wins. A war is won by destroying the enemy to the point they give up. Blowing up their house while they [i]watch[/i] is silly. Blowing it up with them in it, as was done last week, will be effective, if done enough. Obviously once was not enough. I would choose to end this if it were my choice. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 5:58:14 AM EDT
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Genocide is wrong.
Here is the itchy area when it comes to the Palestinians. If I am a Palestinian, and I see my fellow Palestinians blowing up innocent people, I know that retaliation will come. It is only right and natural. I also know that anyone who is supporting these actions will become a target. One would think the smartest thing to do would be to either [b]A.[/b] Distance myself from them as much as possible, or, [b]B.[/b] Go B!tch slap the ones doing it and get them to stop so that no more of my people are killed, by accident or otherwise, because of their actions. When the vast majority of the Palestian people are dancing in the streets as they were yesterday, and on 9/11, when they aid and abet the terroist among them, it says that they agree with what is happening. Hopefully that made sense. Trying to do 2 things at once. [;)] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:07:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: So, you're implying that only the homicide bomber is guilty, and he's dead, so there are no more terrorists left? Or are you saying that as long as the remaining terrorists hide among the innocents, they be left alone? I'm merely pointing out the obvious reality that in using F-14's to kill an ant, you are gonna have collateral damage a-plenty. And if any those innocents killed as "collteral damage" were NOT in favor of terrorism before the F-14 came 'round, they will be after. If you advocate peaceful solutions to the paly - Israeli conflict, and then an Israeli F-14 comes and kills your entire family (2 year old babies included. I don't beleive those babies have committed any terrorist acts yet) you'll give up on peaceful solutions. And you might even be pissed at the country that GAVE them teh F-14, and its ordnance. Why can't you guys see this OBVIOUS REALITY??? In essence, Israli overkill perpetuates the conflict. Thereby ASSURING paly retaliation,a nd more dead Jews. Overkill accomplishes EXACTLY the opposite of the stated objective. I ain't saying there's an easy answer. I'm saying wisdom dictates you minimize pushing fence sitters INTO the terrorist camp. I'm saying you don't nuke the entire City of Chicago JUST because Al Capone (and his gang) calls it home. (Other reasons may be justified, but not that one [:D] ) |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:14:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: And if any those innocents killed as "collteral damage" were NOT in favor of terrorism before the F-14 came 'round, they will be after. Thats kinda what I was trying to say. I havent seen any palestinians yet speak out against terrorism. To the contrary, it has seemed from the beginning that they whole heartedly endorse it. I think this is the defining line. I think your problem G-Man, and its not a bad one mind you [;)], is that you are a pretty logical thinker, and we are dealing with an illogical group of people. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:18:53 AM EDT
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TODAY SHOW lead story... 8 Americans dead . I have just had it with these terrorists . I think we should plead with President Bush to unshackle the Israeli military , give them US blessing and wipe out Gaza ! This act of terrorism MUST be answered with a response of the gravest of consequences for the terrorists . Flatten an entire city . Make Hamas understand that if you commit acts of terrorism, it WILL be answered with a force 10,000 times in response . These people are like cockroaches and the Orkin man is coming not soon enough to suit me !
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:26:32 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Call me old fashioned, but my code of acceptable conduct makes it necessary to be face to face whem I accuse someone of being an accomplice to murder. ESPECIALLY when that someone is a brother in arms. It seems that you have sided with the Palestinians in prior posts. I'm not throwing weight on anyones arguments here, but I'd like to point out the danger to these impressions. I just question the wisdom of equating support for the Palestinian 'struggle' with support for the murder a bunch of 'em commit. I'd be rather pissed off if someone equated my love for America with support of the crimes that various Americans have commited, or if someone equated my love for firearms with the murder and destruction firearms have caused people everywhere. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:32:28 AM EDT
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Post from garandman -
I'm merely pointing out the obvious reality that in using F-14's to kill an ant, you are gonna have collateral damage a-plenty. You're advocating a losing strategy for the Israelis, [b]garandman[/b]! If they do as you suggest they will just succeed in pushing the ant (the one that just killed, oh, let's say, your family) further and deeper into the ant bed, where he knows he'll be safe! Better to have him worry, and the others around him worry, about an F-14 strike. Any time and expense in moving around to avoid such strikes will be time and expense taken away from his busy suicide-bombing schedule! That's the way the Israelis were doing it up until last week, and I think we can count on them using that tried and true method in the future. They had targeted that POS for five nights in a row, and called off the strike because they could not confirm the absence of civilians nearby. That is how Israel (and the USA) will always handle it. And if a mistake is made (such as the USA did in striking a wedding party in Afghanistan) it will be only as the result of a regrettable error. An accident. A mistake. And if someone cannot differentiate between those folks who deliberately strike civilians, and those who strenuously attempt to avoid striking civilians, well then, they wouldn't know the difference between Al Queda and the United States Air Force! And if any those innocents killed as "collteral damage" were NOT in favor of terrorism before the F-14 came 'round, they will be after. Strange that we never thought that way during WWII, that some of our strategic bombing may have actually been making more dedicated Nazis in German, or more loyal emperor worshippers in Japan! There is simply no substitute for victory. And the Israelis simply must overwhelmingly crush these terrorists. If they wish to survive as a nation. And I have been led to believe they do! Eric The(Reasonable)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:33:26 AM EDT
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G-Man, Hawkeye said it best. When a bomber dies, the Pale "innocents" (women and children included) hit the streets [i]en masse[/i] to celebrate. Yipping and shooting into the air with AK's. Children too. Not two y/o's, but children nevertheless. Perhaps we can agree that stopping these homicide bombings is imperative? If we can agree on that obvious fact, then all that remains is choosing the means of doing so. We could ask them nicely. Been done, didn't work. We could ask them sternly. Same thing. We could show them we really, really mean it by announcing that in a half hour we are going to bomb a building, so that it can be evacuated. Was done as recently as last year. Didn't work. If we truly agree to stop the madness, then bombing Dresden, Nagasaki and Hiroshima is the only answer. Perhaps you can come up with a better one. I mean a true solution, not just an admonition to "only kill the guilty and leave the innocents alone." There is no distinction between them. Their choice. The Israeli's choice needs to be to have the resolve to win. Decisively. Anything less will only continue the slaughter of both sides. Slaughtering one side (the [b]other[/b] side) is the only hope of stopping the attacks. Especially in light of the fact these attacks are a defacto attack by a number of Arab countries, who sponsor them. It is no secret. Why be "nice?" Or humane?
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:41:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: And if any those innocents killed as "collteral damage" were NOT in favor of terrorism before the F-14 came 'round, they will be after. I'd say their opinion at that point is irrelevant. [X] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:51:01 AM EDT
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It simply amazes me no end that even the brutal murder of [b]FIVE American citizens[/b] by these POS Palestinian terrorists does not bring some amount of reassessment in some folks' positions.
And the fact that these Palestinians were dancing once again in the streets, knowing that Americans were deliberately killed, is not even a consideration any longer! Sept 11th or July 31, these people simply must dance when the news is good to their ears! I suppose that simply being an American [u]in[/u] Israel is some sort of factor that can be used to diminish the horror of their cold-blooded murder. God forbid but one of these five Americans actually had, Eric The(Reasonable)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:51:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: I'm not throwing weight on anyones arguments here, but I'd like to point out the danger to these impressions. I just question the wisdom of equating support for the Palestinian 'struggle' with support for the murder a bunch of 'em commit. I'd be rather pissed off if someone equated my love for America with support of the crimes that various Americans have commited, or if someone equated my love for firearms with the murder and destruction firearms have caused people everywhere. So very eloquent. Well said. I've been trying to say that for MONTHS, but for all my attempts (having used FAR more words thatn you did) you have said it all. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:54:53 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Question: Since the terrorists have now ALSO killed Arabs, does that mean the Arabs are no longer our enemies???? What is this 'our' bit? You have ALWAYS liked muslims cause they kill Jews, which you agree with in spite of you lame protestations to the contrary. You even support killing of Americans, just as long as they are Jews, or dealing with Jews. Nice personal attack, dude. Care to say that to my face? Or hide behind a keyboard, accusing me of supporting and encouraging murder. Nice job by Mods STILL allowing this stuff to go on. Okok, let's cool it. Granted, it's an emotional subject, don't invite a lock- or worse- ok? |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:56:48 AM EDT
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Quoted: I think your problem G-Man, and its not a bad one mind you [;)], is that you are a pretty logical thinker, and we are dealing with an illogical group of people. Thanks. I think. Extend your logic to its final conclusion. These palestinains (the one in NO WAY associated with terrorism) are indeed sheep, stupid, backward, illiterate, fed by prolly Arafat what to beleive, and lies about America, about israel, have no access to even TV, never mind the internet, as a source to learn truth about what is really going on. Their religion is both backward, and repressive, to even its proponents. Indeed, they have the entire deck stacked against them. All the more reason I see their slaughter as tragic. Ands even MORE tragic that their slaughter WILL lead to more innocent Jews slaughtered, that will lead to more innocent palestinains slaughtered. There will be no end, with the current methods. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 7:11:05 AM EDT
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Quoted: Ands even MORE tragic that their slaughter WILL lead to more innocent Jews slaughtered, that will lead to more innocent palestinains slaughtered. [red]There will be no end, with the current methods.[/red] My point [b]EXACTLY[/b] above. So, can we choose a [b][i]winning[/i][/b] strategy? [bounce] Edit: G-man, interesting sig line, in light of this conversation. hehe |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 7:25:26 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I think your problem G-Man, and its not a bad one mind you [;)], is that you are a pretty logical thinker, and we are dealing with an illogical group of people. Thanks. I think. Extend your logic to its final conclusion. These palestinains (the one in NO WAY associated with terrorism) are indeed sheep, stupid, backward, illiterate, fed by prolly Arafat what to beleive, and lies about America, about israel, have no access to even TV, never mind the internet, as a source to learn truth about what is really going on. Their religion is both backward, and repressive, to even its proponents. Indeed, they have the entire deck stacked against them. All the more reason I see their slaughter as tragic. Ands even MORE tragic that their slaughter WILL lead to more innocent Jews slaughtered, that will lead to more innocent palestinains slaughtered. There will be no end, with the current methods. Previous comment meant with sincerity. Yes, with the current methods, there will be no end. Exactly why Israel needs to definitively win. They need to take the means necessary to stop and prevent these attacks from occuring again. This means a decisive military victory where the enemy literally cannot continue to fight. Many lives were lost when we nuked Japan, but countless thousands more, on BOTH sides, were saved. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 7:27:48 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted: These palestinains (the one in NO WAY associated with terrorism) are indeed sheep, stupid, backward, illiterate, fed by prolly Arafat what to beleive, and lies about America, about israel, have no access to even TV, never mind the internet, as a source to learn truth about what is really going on. Their religion is both backward, and repressive, to even its proponents. Indeed, they have the entire deck stacked against them. G-Man, you know I don't normally waste time lobbing turds back and forth on these Arab-Israeli threads, but one last point here: After reading your "excuse" above for the Pale's behavior I would like to say that for all their in-the-dark living, they knew, [b]twenty damned minutes after it happened[/b] to dance in the streets and show great joy when 3,000 of our fellow Americans died on Sept. 11. The Israeli's showed shock, horror and outrage. So did the Canadians, Brits, Aussies, Italians, etc. etc. I recognize the difference between friends and enemies. I don't care how they got their information or opinion. We must choose sides here. [i]I choose to side with my friends against my enemies. [/i] If their religion/life is backwards, uneducated, whatever, then that is their own damned fault, not ours, and they can suffer the consequences for their, and their leaders', actions. Kill them! [u]Kill them until they don't murder innocents.[/u] [pissed] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 7:30:41 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted: Yes, with the current methods, there will be no end. Exactly why Israel needs to definitively win. They need to take the means necessary to stop and prevent these attacks from occuring again. This means a decisive military victory where the enemy literally cannot continue to fight. Many lives were lost when we nuked Japan, but countless thousands more, on BOTH sides, were saved. This is sorta the Rush Limbaugh mind meld beleif. [:D] While not a perfect solution, its is preferrable to the present low-level war going on. At least in a declared war, I think things would become a little clearer. This would indeed mean "world war." But politicians have tied us into Arab oil (I personally beleive this is a fiction, and America has access to more oil than we could use in a thousand years) its a mess, no doubt. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 7:57:23 AM EDT
[#30]
Post from sesat_ram -
I just question the wisdom of equating support for the Palestinian 'struggle' with support for the murder a bunch of 'em commit. That, my dear friend, is a question that would be better directed to the Palestinian people themselves than to anyone on this Board! The Palestinian people are the ones who have supported the evil that is being done daily in their name, in the name of their 'struggle'! Where are the cries of outrage against the murder of seven people (including [b]Five American Citizens[/b]) who were quietly minding their business in a university that was noted for having both Israeli and Arab students, that was proud that there were no armed policemen on its campus, and that had become a meeting place for Jew and Muslim alike? Where is the Palestinian outrage that cold blooded murder is being committed in their name, and bringing their 'struggle' down to nothing more than a murder spree? What was Yasser 'Bring Me A Wet Washcloth, Now' Arafat's response to this wholesale slaughter of civilians and the terrorizing of both Israeli and Arab alike? Hmmm, do [u]you[/u] know? Well, here's how the Palestinians, themselves, responded: [img]http://grm.haaretz.co.il/hasite/images/iht_daily/D010802/hafgana_eng3107ap.jpg[/img] Y'all need to buy a clue or something. Eric The(Incredulous)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 8:04:47 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: Quoted: Yes, with the current methods, there will be no end. Exactly why Israel needs to definitively win. They need to take the means necessary to stop and prevent these attacks from occuring again. This means a decisive military victory where the enemy literally cannot continue to fight. Many lives were lost when we nuked Japan, but countless thousands more, on BOTH sides, were saved. This is sorta the Rush Limbaugh mind meld beleif. [:D] While not a perfect solution, its is preferrable to the present low-level war going on. At least in a declared war, I think things would become a little clearer. This would indeed mean "world war." But politicians have tied us into Arab oil (I personally beleive this is a fiction, and America has access to more oil than we could use in a thousand years) its a mess, no doubt. Rush Limbaugh!!???!!! [bounce][bounce] I havent had a compliment that good in years! Thanks!! [:)] I think we (GASP [;)]) are both in complete agreement here. Things would be clearer. And yes, I think we are unneccessarily dependent on Arab oil. I think we could more than cover our needs ourselves, not to mention oil from places such as Russia, etc. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 8:14:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Post from sesat_ram - I just question the wisdom of equating support for the Palestinian 'struggle' with support for the murder a bunch of 'em commit. That, my dear friend, is a question that would be better directed to the Palestinian people themselves than to anyone on this Board! The Palestinian people are the ones who have supported the evil that is being done daily in their name, in the name of their 'struggle'! Where are the cries of outrage against the murder of seven people (including [b]Five American Citizens[/b]) who were quietly minding their business in a university that was noted for having both Israeli and Arab students, that was proud that there were no armed policemen on its campus, and that had become a meeting place for Jew and Muslim alike? Where is the Palestinian outrage that cold blooded murder is being committed in their name, and bringing their 'struggle' down to nothing more than a murder spree? What was Yasser 'Bring Me A Wet Washcloth, Now' Arafat's response to this wholesale slaughter of civilians and the terrorizing of both Israeli and Arab alike? Hmmm, do [u]you[/u] know? Well, here's how the Palestinians, themselves, responded: [img]http://grm.haaretz.co.il/hasite/images/iht_daily/D010802/hafgana_eng3107ap.jpg[/img] Y'all need to buy a clue or something. Eric The(Incredulous)Hun[>]:)] This dear friends, is exactly what I am talking about. How can one feel that the Palestinians as a people dont feel that this terrorism is right, when they celebrate it and dance in the streets. Yet we are to beleive that they are against it? Those are the actions that get their homes leveled. They are a support system for the terrorist, therefore, a target. I am greatly suprised at the restraint and concern shown by the Israelis in the past year and even month. I dont beleive I would have been, had I been calling the shots personally. Regardless of how anyone feels towards the whole Israeli/Palestinian situation, [b]5[/b] Americans have been murdered. A message needs to be sent to the world that if an American is injured or killed, the price will be [b]UNBEARABLE[/b]. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 8:25:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: Regardless of how anyone feels towards the whole Israeli/Palestinian situation, [b]5[/b] Americans have been murdered. A message needs to be sent to the world that if an American is injured or killed, the price will be [b]UNBEARABLE[/b]. We wouldn't want to do anything [b]heavy-handed[/b], now would we? [pissed] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 9:13:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: Post from sesat_ram - I just question the wisdom of equating support for the Palestinian 'struggle' with support for the murder a bunch of 'em commit. That, my dear friend, is a question that would be better directed to the Palestinian people themselves than to anyone on this Board! Aye, but I'm not going to even try to defend the Palestinians themselves and their choice to celebrate. I do however see how others (ie Americans like garandman) can still sympathise with the Palestinian 'struggle' even with Palestinians chanting "death to America" in the streets. Ok I read what I just wrote and it doesn't make sense. Let me try again. I wont defend the Palestinians, but I'll defend those who defend the Palestinian 'struggle', even if I won't defend their 'struggle' myself. Screw it, I don't make sense. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 5:22:23 PM EDT
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Sesat,
What it looks like you're trying to say is something like; "I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it" That is a sentiment I can can fully agree with. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 5:30:11 PM EDT
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Lovely thoughts, gentlemen, but you'll have to speak up a little louder for there are [b]FIVE DEAD AMERICANS[/b] who can't quite hear you!
F*** the people who did it. F*** the people who celebrated it. F*** the people who don't bring it to a screeching halt! Pretty simple. Those are my sentiments. Eric The(Sentimental)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 5:31:35 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted: Lovely thoughts, gentlemen, but you'll have to speak up a little louder for there are [b]FIVE DEAD AMERICANS[/b] who can't quite hear you! F*** the people who did it. F*** the people who celebrated it. F*** the people who don't bring it to a screeching halt! Pretty simple. Those are my sentiments. Eric The(Sentimental)Hun[>]:)] I can ditto that. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 5:34:07 PM EDT
[#38]
Hey Here some news guys:
Israel has launched an offensive into Nablus with what MSNBC is reporting could be as many 150 vehicles. Heavy Armor and APC's. Don't have any details. As always MSNBC heavy on the spin and light on the hard facts. Ben |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 5:40:18 PM EDT
[#39]
Quoted: Hey Here some news guys: Israel has launched an offensive into Nablus with what MSNBC is reporting could be as many 150 vehicles. Heavy Armor and APC's. Don't have any details. As always MSNBC heavy on the spin and light on the hard facts. Ben One can hope.. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:12:11 PM EDT
[#40]
Quoted: Quoted: Lovely thoughts, gentlemen, but you'll have to speak up a little louder for there are [b]FIVE DEAD AMERICANS[/b] who can't quite hear you! F*** the people who did it. F*** the people who celebrated it. F*** the people who don't bring it to a screeching halt! Pretty simple. Those are my sentiments. Eric The(Sentimental)Hun[>]:)] I can ditto that. Hey, we have a quorum! [beer] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:55:04 PM EDT
[#41]
Here's one of our countrymen: [b]Marla Bennett[/b]
[img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020801/capt.1028227251.mideast_americans_killed_go103.jpg[/img] Caption: Marla Bennett, center, 24, a San Diego native and one of five Americans killed from a bomb explosion at Hebrew University in Jerusalem on Wednesday, July 31, 2002, is seen in a June 2002 family photo with her parents Michael and Linda Bennett in Jerusalem. (AP Photo/Bennett Family) [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020801/capt.1028226517.mideast_americans_killed_go102.jpg[/img] Caption: Marla Bennett, 24, a San Diego native and one of five Americans killed from a bomb explosion at Hebrew University in Jerusalem on Wednesday July 31, 2002, is seen here in a June 2002 photo, from her family,with her boyfriend Michael Simon in Jerusalem. (AP Photo/Bennett family) [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020801/capt.1028224850.mideast_americans_killed_go101.jpg[/img] Caption: An undated photo of Marla Bennett, 24, a San Diego native and one of five Americans killed by a bomb explosion at Hebrew University in Jerusalem on Wednesday,July 31, 2002. Two Israelis were killed and four other Americans were wounded. Bennett had been doing joint graduate work at Pardes Institute and Hebrew University in Judaic Studies. She was due to return home on Friday, said family spokesman Norman Greene.(AP Photo) [b] Yes, Marla will becoming home today, but not quite the way her parents thought.[/b] I'm sure some of you will say that there is another side to this story, that there have been losses on both sides, etc., etc., etc. Save it for someone who cares. This young lady is one of ours, and till her murderers are sent to Hell, I don't care to hear of anything else. Eric The(Sentimental)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 6:59:18 PM EDT
[#42]
[pissed]
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Posted: 8/1/2002 8:19:23 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted: Ok I read what I just wrote and it doesn't make sense. Let me try again. I wont defend the Palestinians, but I'll defend those who defend the Palestinian 'struggle', even if I won't defend their 'struggle' myself. |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 8:21:20 PM EDT
[#44]
[img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020802/i/1028249369.2952847379.jpg[/img]
Caption: Loved ones of [b]Benjamin Blutstein[/b] and [b]Janis Coulter[/b], killed in the bombing at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem on July 31, say goodbye to their coffins at Ben Gurion airport near Tel Aviv as they are flown to the United States on August, 1, 2002. The bodies of two of the five Americans killed in a Palestinian bombing in Jerusalem were being flown home as the FBI launched an investigation into an attack that outraged President Bush. Photo by Havakuk Levison/Reuters REUTERS/Havakuk Levison REUTERS Eric The(Sentimental)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/1/2002 8:26:47 PM EDT
[#45]
Quoted: [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020802/i/1028249369.2952847379.jpg[/img] Caption: Loved ones of [b]Benjamin Blutstein[/b] and [b]Janis Coulter[/b], killed in the bombing at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem on July 31, say goodbye to their coffins at Ben Gurion airport near Tel Aviv as they are flown to the United States on August, 1, 2002. The bodies of two of the five Americans killed in a Palestinian bombing in Jerusalem were being flown home as the FBI launched an investigation into an attack that outraged President Bush. Photo by Havakuk Levison/Reuters REUTERS/Havakuk Levison REUTERS Eric The(Sentimental)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/2/2002 3:46:04 AM EDT
[#46]
[img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20020802/i/1028286102.2818613316.jpg[/img]
Caption: Airport workers prepare to load the coffins of Benjamin Thomas Blutstein, 25, and Jansin Ruth Coulter, 36, at a terminal of Ben Gurion airport near Tel Aviv, to be shipped to the United States for burial, August 1, 2002. Both American students were killed in a bombing at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem Wednesday, detonated by Hamas militants. REUTERS/Havakuk Levison Eric The(Mourning)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/2/2002 4:09:25 AM EDT
[#47]
[img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20020801/capt.1028224850.mideast_americans_killed_go101.jpg[/img]
[b]Marla Bennett[/b] was a graduate of the University of California at Berkeley, with a BA in Political Science and an English minor. Friends spoke about her as a beautiful young woman with quiet grace, a calming presence. "She was a real jewel, very beloved. You couldn't be in her presence and not smile with her," said Landes. Friends called her a true listener, quietly offering needed support. All spoke about her magical smile which would crinkle her nose. Responding to the concern of friends and family abroad, Bennett wrote in a column for her hometown paper, the San Diego Jewish Press-Heritage: "I have a front-row seat for the history of the Jewish people. I am a part of the struggle for Israel's survival." "She brought light into a room; something about her just glowed so warmly. She drew you into her warmth," said Hershman. Eric The(RememberingThe5DeadAmericans)Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/2/2002 5:04:17 AM EDT
[#48]
[USA]
[USA] [USA] [USA] [USA] |
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Posted: 8/2/2002 5:40:40 AM EDT
[#49]
From Yahoo.news:
A spokesman for the Islamic militant group Hamas, which claimed responsibility for Wednesday's attack, said the Americans were not the intended target and expressed regret for their deaths. "They are American citizens who just came here to visit," Abdul Aziz Rantissi told The Associated Press. "Our battle is against the (Israeli) occupation." [b]However, he said he was referring only to "[u]pure[/u]" American citizens, "not those who have dual citizenship."[/u] One of the dead had American and Israeli citizenship. [url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&ncid=716&e=1&u=/ap/20020802/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians_5949[/url] [b]Wow![/b] The last time anyone said anything about someone being 'pure' or not, they were wearing a Nazi uniform! Eric The('Pure')Hun[>]:)] |
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Posted: 8/2/2002 6:12:25 AM EDT
[#50]
I don't understand all the panywaist girlish whining that we are allowing. There are people out there killing our babies. Who even needs to find more justification that that to kill them first?
Not me. If we don't have enough ammunition to kill them all, then just kill their males, let the palesinians find out what diaspora really is all about. Drive them into jordan, drive them into the sea, but stop them from killing our children. I would visit a world of hurt upon them of biblical proportions, and worry about the potential fall out when it was completed. |
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