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Posted: 6/30/2012 3:28:36 PM EDT

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Posted: 6/30/2012 4:04:48 PM EDT

[#2]

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Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Life without parole for pot.

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:06:35 PM EDT

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When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

If pot and other drugs were legal, the big companies would handle the business, and their wouldn't be any violence, as you note above. The violence stems from the simple fact that drugs are illegal, and huge money is being made by the suppliers, who are primarily meeting the demands of Americas drug addicts. We are the biggest market for illegal drugs in the world, period. Personally, I don't use illegal drugs, not sure I would if they are legal. How about a history check on prohibition? How is what happened then different than what is happening now? Can we think through that one, just a little bit?

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:25:16 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:

Quoted:

When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

I'd offer you something to take the edge off, if I indulged it such things.

Don't get me wrong. If somebody creates the Perfect World where the libertarian in me can ignore what substances others may choose to ingest AND the various legions of crime and tragedy necessarily attendant magically cease, sign me up. But I'm the father and brother of recovering drug addicts, so forgive my strident objections...as both started by just smoking a little reefer.

I've never met a recovering pot addict. I used to smoke quite a bit back in the day. When I decided to quit I quit. That simple actually. No rehab, no withdrawls, just quit. I had a harder time quitting cigarettes which are quite legal. Nobody has ever proven pot is addictive....because it's not.

Your failure in reading comprehension does not grant license to misquote me. Never said marijuana was addictive.

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:30:32 PM EDT

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Quoted:
Is it not obvious to you that the crimes you mention in relation to ILLEGAL pot are due to the fact that the pot is illegal? Surely this does not escape you. Does it?

I was a cop way too long to accept that drug-related crime is any longer stemming solely from illegality. The drug trade is violent due to commerce enabled by corruption.

Tell you what - let's compromise.

Make all controlled substances legal. Attach a rider to that bill that makes me held harmless in my homicides against any who sell it to kids.

Off to load my magazines.

I'm glad your not a cop anymore, you create more problems than you solve with your police vs citizen approach.

You evidently know even less about me and my policing philosophies than you do the matter at hand...if that were at all possible. Otherwise, you would have not made such an errant statement.

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:42:32 PM EDT

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Quoted:

Quoted:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

Wunbad, you're normally spot on with your analyses of the way things are. But this?

You're so damned off the mark that I must question whether you're being ironic for the sake of making a point, or if you've suffered a TIA.

It's a personal thing for me.
I just wish the usual and tired strawman arguments would either somehow gain substance, or go away.
Medical science recognizes - and has successfully harvested - the benefits of THC without the side effect of a high. So the "medical marijuana" thing is steeped in an agenda instead.

For those who have alleged my failure as a parent: Fuck You. NavyDoc, who the fuck do you think you are? My wife and I have raised seven kids, only one of whom decided to go the doper route with her college-prep, rich-kid, flawless background 18 year old boyfriend. All she lost was a seven-year period of her life bouncing between rehabs, arrests and lowlifery. She's twenty-nine now and will eagerly tell you how she got started down that path: "It's just a natural herb, Dad."

Again, for those with long-term loss of short-term memory: I really, really cannot care any less about what you choose to ingest. I do, and will always, care about the impact your choices make upon me and mine.

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:44:54 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Don't get me wrong. If somebody creates the Perfect World where the libertarian in me can ignore what substances others may choose to ingest AND the various legions of crime and tragedy necessarily attendant magically cease, sign me up. But I'm the father and brother of recovering drug addicts, so forgive my strident objections...as both started by just smoking a little reefer.

I've never met a recovering pot addict. I used to smoke quite a bit back in the day. When I decided to quit I quit. That simple actually. No rehab, no withdrawals, just quit. I had a harder time quitting cigarettes which are quite legal. Nobody has ever proven pot is addictive....because it's not.

Your failure in reading comprehension does not grant license to misquote me. Never said marijuana was addictive.

I read what you posted just fine. You seem to tie in your experience with recovering addicts to your argument against legalization of marijuana. I also in no way misquoted you. I quoted your post in it's entirety and unedited.

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:46:50 PM EDT

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Quoted:

Quoted:

When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

I'd offer you something to take the edge off, if I indulged it such things.

Don't get me wrong. If somebody creates the Perfect World where the libertarian in me can ignore what substances others may choose to ingest AND the various legions of crime and tragedy necessarily attendant magically cease, sign me up. But I'm the father and brother of recovering drug addicts, so forgive my strident objections...as both started by just smoking a little reefer.

How do you know it wasn't a little beer that "started" the whole thing?

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:49:30 PM EDT

[#9]

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When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

All of that is a direct result of prohibition and the subsequent development of a black market. Circular argument is circular.

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:50:45 PM EDT

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And now I'll gleefully await the freedom-lovers who will state: "Just tax it by the IRS and guarantee purity by the FDA...."

And then contrast the WoD as anti-freedom due to .gov expansion. Which, admittedly it is at this point.

You can't have it both ways and claim a principled stand.

The FDA is in every facet of food production. Should we make food illegal?

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:51:10 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Is it not obvious to you that the crimes you mention in relation to ILLEGAL pot are due to the fact that the pot is illegal? Surely this does not escape you. Does it?

I was a cop way too long to accept that drug-related crime is any longer stemming solely from illegality. The drug trade is violent due to commerce enabled by corruption.

Tell you what - let's compromise.

Make all controlled substances legal. Attach a rider to that bill that makes me held harmless in my homicides against any who sell it to kids.

Off to load my magazines.

Ah the "it's for the children" argument. Don't do a shitty job of raising your kids and it likely wont be a problem.

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:53:33 PM EDT

[#12]

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When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

IG Farben-Bayer has a body count that would make the cartels blush.

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:53:37 PM EDT

[#13]

Treat it Exactly like Like Liquor.

Tax it the same, No Home Growing, Jail for Illegal Growers, etc

Put it under the ATF

Posted: 6/30/2012 4:59:32 PM EDT

[#14]

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I'd rather alcohol be illegal than pot. I mean that 100%.

But honestly, nothing should be illegal. Everything should be available for idiots to take and kill themselves and likely somebody else with.

fify

Posted: 6/30/2012 5:02:25 PM EDT

[#15]

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Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

No. IMO if a person rapes an 11 year old, that person should go to prison for a longer hitch than a drug offender who doesn't have a violent jacket.

Proportionality.

Posted: 6/30/2012 5:02:39 PM EDT

[#16]

i really need to stop clicking on these moronic doper threads; i end up having to light up a doobie to get my bp back down...

i think instead of lowering sentences to child raping levels they should raise all other crimes to the 55 years.

Posted: 6/30/2012 5:13:35 PM EDT

[#17]

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When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

Honestly curious about this part. You're not talking about Marinol are you?

Posted: 6/30/2012 5:56:38 PM EDT

[#18]

i'm sorry if you take it that way. My only point is that if one's children do down the wrong path, then the primary fault is on parenting, not the government, not the laws. You implied you should be able to shoot somone if they sell your kids drugs. My point is that by the time your kids are buying drugs off the street, then the battle has already been lost. THere are many immoral choices I would dread my daughters make, from making porn, to smoking pot, to voting democrat. If they do any on these things, then I as their father have failed them, not the governmnet.

Edited because "Fuck you" does not merit a thoughtful and polite response.

Posted: 6/30/2012 6:02:43 PM EDT

[#19]

The WOD cheerleaders are just as responsible for the underground pot business as the assholes that buy Mexican weed. If the government taxes cultivation of MJ it will do nothing to stop the blackmarket. the only sensible solution is to let anyone who wants to grow a plant or two in the garden same as tomatos, corn and such.

Posted: 6/30/2012 6:20:11 PM EDT

[#20]

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The WOD cheerleaders are just as responsible for the underground pot business as the assholes that buy Mexican weed. If the government taxes cultivation of MJ it will do nothing to stop the blackmarket. the only sensible solution is to let anyone who wants to grow a plant or two in the garden same as tomatos, corn and such.

Even though that worked fine for most of the last 1000 or so years, you'll probly still take flak from the drug warriors about jazz loving, dope smoking [COC edit] selling the "devil weed" to their "precious little angels".

Posted: 6/30/2012 6:33:15 PM EDT

[#21]

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Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

Complaint line starts on the right.

Aloha, Mark

I have to agree with this. The law is always correct and people only have themselves to blame if they break the law. Also, prosecutors are always upstanding people who make the right decisions. Same with judges and juries. Zero sympathy for anyone with legal troubles.

Posted: 6/30/2012 6:35:29 PM EDT

[#22]

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Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

Complaint line starts on the right.

Aloha, Mark

I have to agree with this. The law is always correct and people only have themselves to blame if they break the law. Also, prosecutors are always upstanding people who make the right decisions. Same with judges and juries. Zero sympathy for anyone with legal troubles.

I agree.

To the rest of you serfs: Pay me, and I shall see if I can keep you from the friendly confines of our state pen for your indiscretions.

Pay me.

Posted: 6/30/2012 8:01:00 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Unjust laws should be ignored.

The only laws that should be enforced are those to punish people who violate the rights of others.

Posted: 6/30/2012 8:35:51 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Unjust laws should be ignored nullified/repealed.

The only laws that should be enforced are those to punish people who violate the rights of others.

Posted: 6/30/2012 11:23:15 PM EDT

[#25]

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Public apology to wunbadwheel:

I apologise if you take it that way. My only point is that if one's children do down the wrong path, then the primary fault is on parenting, not the government, not the laws. You implied you should be able to shoot somone if they sell your kids drugs. My point is that by the time your kids are buying drugs off the street, then the battle has already been lost. THere are many immoral choices I would dread my daughters make, from making porn, to smoking pot, to voting democrat. If they do any on these things, then I as their father have failed them, not the governmnet.
I'm sorry if you took insult and offer you my humblest of apologies.

Respectfully;
Doc

Fair enough. It's an impassioned subject with me, and I would do well to avoid the subject.

Posted: 6/30/2012 11:31:19 PM EDT

[#26]

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When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses..

And you can't comprehend that the fact that it's illegal is the very reason why people such as the ones you described run the multi-million dollar pot industry?

I know a lost cause when I see one.

Posted: 6/30/2012 11:35:32 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Bingo

It is the same as the ones whining that Pot is illegal
but Alcohol is not Two different things.

I have heard this same argument for nearly 40 years

You're right. I hear about broken homes all the time due to alcohol. Never hear about daddy turning bad because he took up the bowl.

Posted: 6/30/2012 11:36:47 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

Wunbad, you're normally spot on with your analyses of the way things are. But this?

You're so damned off the mark that I must question whether you're being ironic for the sake of making a point, or if you've suffered a TIA.

It's a personal thing for me.
I just wish the usual and tired strawman arguments would either somehow gain substance, or go away.
Medical science recognizes - and has successfully harvested - the benefits of THC without the side effect of a high. So the "medical marijuana" thing is steeped in an agenda instead.

For those who have alleged my failure as a parent: Fuck You. NavyDoc, who the fuck do you think you are? My wife and I have raised seven kids, only one of whom decided to go the doper route with her college-prep, rich-kid, flawless background 18 year old boyfriend. All she lost was a seven-year period of her life bouncing between rehabs, arrests and lowlifery. She's twenty-nine now and will eagerly tell you how she got started down that path: "It's just a natural herb, Dad."

Again, for those with long-term loss of short-term memory: I really, really cannot care any less about what you choose to ingest. I do, and will always, care about the impact your choices make upon me and mine.

Sounds like your daughter had a habit of making poor decisions. You're looking for a scape goat.

Posted: 6/30/2012 11:40:55 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

Yawn. Same ol' bullshit posted by you.

Posted: 6/30/2012 11:46:53 PM EDT

[#30]

I don't hang out in bars, since I don't drink. I won't hang out with dopers for the same reason.

Just like people who start threads bashing smokers, all I ask is they stay away from me.

My personal experience with being around pot smokers trumps you propaganda. That was a miserable time in my life.

Posted: 6/30/2012 11:56:48 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

Teach your kids not to buy "Fucking dope".

Posted: 7/1/2012 3:48:17 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Bingo

It is the same as the ones whining that Pot is illegal
but Alcohol is not Two different things.

I have heard this same argument for nearly 40 years

You're right. I hear about broken homes all the time due to alcohol. Never hear about daddy turning bad because he took up the bowl.

I have. Not usually with the violence of an alcohol addict, but plenty of lost jobs, legal problems, broken up lives and marriages due to pot use.

Posted: 7/1/2012 3:53:10 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

You trippin?

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:04:34 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

IG Farben-Bayer has a body count that would make the cartels blush.

Yeah, but they've been resting on that laurel since 1945.

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:12:57 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Life without parole for pot.

Reading comprehension. Life without parole for pot WITH an illegally possessed firearm.

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:13:47 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'd rather alcohol be illegal than pot. I mean that 100%.

But honestly, nothing should be illegal. Everything should be available for idiots to take and kill themselves and likely somebody else with.

fify

The 'kill someone else' part would still be illegal if pot was legal.

Now having said that, I've never heard of someone smoking pot and killing anything other than a few hours in front of the TV, so......

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:16:59 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Life without parole for pot.

Reading comprehension. Life without parole for pot WITH an illegally possessed firearm.

Did he steal the gun from someone?
If not, that leaves precious few cirucmstances where I worry about 'illegal possession of a firearm'.

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:18:28 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Is it not obvious to you that the crimes you mention in relation to ILLEGAL pot are due to the fact that the pot is illegal? Surely this does not escape you. Does it?

I was a cop way too long to accept that drug-related crime is any longer stemming solely from illegality. The drug trade is violent due to commerce enabled by corruption.

Tell you what - let's compromise.

Make all controlled substances legal. Attach a rider to that bill that makes me held harmless in my homicides against any who sell it to kids.

Off to load my magazines.

Why are your kids so poorly raised that you need to commit repeated homicides to rectify their buying of narcotics?

Why are you wishing for the ability to be judge, jury and executioner when it comes to this matter while allowing the legal system to work as intended in other matters?

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:22:21 AM EDT

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Life without parole for pot.

Reading comprehension. Life without parole for pot WITH an illegally possessed firearm.

Should be no such thing outside of a prisoner inside a cell.

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:31:47 AM EDT

[#40]

Oh, and I agree with wunbadweasel's idea that parents should be allowed to shoot anyone who sells or even attempts to sell drugs to their kids.

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:36:19 AM EDT

[#41]

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Oh, and I agree with wunbadweasel's idea that parents should be allowed to shoot anyone who sells or even attempts to sell drugs to their kids.

Can I go execute the drug pushers at the VA that dosed my father up so high on morphine that he passed out, cracked his head and died? Seems only fair.

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:48:03 AM EDT

[#42]

There is a best selling book that suggests that substances like wine,
should be consumed in moderation, if at all. I suppose this applies to
any substance that alters ones perception and carries with it the
possibility of liking it too much.

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:50:47 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Life without parole for pot.

Reading comprehension. Life without parole for pot WITH an illegally possessed firearm.

Did he steal the gun from someone?
If not, that leaves precious few cirucmstances where I worry about 'illegal possession of a firearm'.

Could've had altered serial numbers, or CCW w/ no permit, could've been a liberal state with anti-gun laws (aka NY), could've been NFA w/ no stamp, could've been any number of things. It doesn't have to be stolen to be illegal. Closed minded thinking is why this website is funny sometimes. It's not always the simplest answer.

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:51:56 AM EDT

[#44]

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When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

Great post. It is amusing to watch all the ridiculous banter offered up by the pro MJ crowd in response to a reasoned argument.

Posted: 7/1/2012 4:55:28 AM EDT

[#45]

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Quoted:
Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Life without parole for pot.

Reading comprehension. Life without parole for pot WITH an illegally possessed firearm.

Did he steal the gun from someone?
If not, that leaves precious few cirucmstances where I worry about 'illegal possession of a firearm'.

Could've had altered serial numbers, or CCW w/ no permit, could've been a liberal state with anti-gun laws (aka NY), could've been NFA w/ no stamp, could've been any number of things. It doesn't have to be stolen to be illegal. Closed minded thinking is why this website is funny sometimes. It's not always the simplest answer.

Frankly, I see nothing wrong with those things in red. Not guilty.

Posted: 7/1/2012 5:10:37 AM EDT

[#46]

I always get a laugh out of the "I want to shoot the evil drug dealer selling pot to my kid line"

If your kid wasn't buying pot the drug dealer wouldn't be selling it to them.

Maybe you should shoot your kid.

Posted: 7/1/2012 5:38:02 AM EDT

[#47]

Drugs are bad, M-kay.

First off, I don't use any drugs except the random Ibuprofen or antibiotic.....

Good riddance, a little bit of reasoning would tell you that most of the problems that center around illegal drugs is the very fact that they are illegal. Furthermore - drugs, especially those of the illegal nature are a health issue not a criminal issue. Prison doesn't fix addiction. My brother is a prime example. He never used pot, said he didn't like it, he did like uppers though..... Threat of jail did not deter him, what cured him was a good rehab center that showed him he could live a full life, get a good job, and take care of himself. Prison only serves to make people dependent on the government. You become a felon, and outcast, and the life of crime becomes the norm. Felonies for DRUG USERS (not dealers) are a serious social issue. It is a fucking fact.

The anti drug crowd are morons for the most part. The preach about the immoral nature of smoking marijuana while happily downing anti-depressants and anti-anxiety pills to make themselves "well". It is complete insanity.

How much violence and crime did you see centered around alcohol before and after prohibition was ended? I bet it changed drastically.

Greg Giraldo, now deceased, wrote this. He died of a prescription drug overdose.

Posted: 7/1/2012 5:47:07 AM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Life without parole for pot.

Reading comprehension. Life without parole for pot WITH an illegally possessed firearm.

Did he steal the gun from someone?
If not, that leaves precious few cirucmstances where I worry about 'illegal possession of a firearm'.

Could've had altered serial numbers, or CCW w/ no permit, could've been a liberal state with anti-gun laws (aka NY), could've been NFA w/ no stamp, could've been any number of things. It doesn't have to be stolen to be illegal. Closed minded thinking is why this website is funny sometimes. It's not always the simplest answer.

Frankly, I see nothing wrong with those things in red. Not guilty.

Not to be an ass, but frankly, you weren't on the jury when he got a life sentence. Apparently some citizens still believe in following laws, regardless of whether they agree with them.

Posted: 7/1/2012 5:52:09 AM EDT

[#49]

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Quoted:

Is it not obvious to you that the crimes you mention in relation to ILLEGAL pot are due to the fact that the pot is illegal? Surely this does not escape you. Does it?

The reality is that the way the government would go about the legalization of weed would practically guarantee the illegal trade in weed would continue. People bootleg cigarettes and they're legal, they do it to avoid paying the ridiculously high taxes. Even the proponents of legalization say "legalize it and tax it" but they don't think it through.

Spoken like someone that has never had to deal with drug dealers.

No realistic tax rate on pot goes with your theories.

Posted: 7/1/2012 6:15:35 AM EDT

[#50]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Two different arguments. If one wants to argue about whether MJ should be legal or not, that's one thing. However currently it is illegal so I don't see anything wrong with the sentences handed out, given the law as it stands today.

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Life without parole for pot.

Reading comprehension. Life without parole for pot WITH an illegally possessed firearm.

Did he steal the gun from someone?
If not, that leaves precious few cirucmstances where I worry about 'illegal possession of a firearm'.

Could've had altered serial numbers, or CCW w/ no permit, could've been a liberal state with anti-gun laws (aka NY), could've been NFA w/ no stamp, could've been any number of things. It doesn't have to be stolen to be illegal. Closed minded thinking is why this website is funny sometimes. It's not always the simplest answer.

Frankly, I see nothing wrong with those things in red. Not guilty.

Not to be an ass, but frankly, you weren't on the jury when he got a life sentence. Apparently some citizens still believe in following laws, regardless of whether they agree with them.

Even immoral laws like gun control? What about Dred Scot? I can name many laws throughout history that were not only immoral to follow, but the moral and right thing was to disobey them. Not saying that MJ is on one those cases, just pointing out that blindly accepting a law as just and right just because it is the law is not always the right way of looking at things.

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