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I want my kids to grow up in a world where drugs are illegal.  I also want my local law enforcement to be able to arrest the scumfucks who live near me and my family and sell weed, coke and god knows what else out of their house to scumbags, losers and criminals.  

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Reading comprehension.  Life without parole for pot WITH an illegally possessed firearm.

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You're right.  I hear about broken homes all the time due to alcohol.  Never hear about daddy turning bad because he took up the bowl.

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I always get a laugh out of the "I want to shoot the evil drug dealer selling pot to my kid line"

If your kid wasn't buying pot the drug dealer wouldn't be selling it to them.

Maybe you should shoot your kid.  

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Really??????





I have a brother who loved dope so much it was more important than his family.

As for broken home.... Well he is now in Jail, and so isn't his son (nice he drug his kid down with him)



Kid needs medical corrections to his ears so he can hear and learn to speak...  No money for that but plenty for dope

Kids need clothes...  No money for that but plenty for dope



He made nearly 100k a year, Kids dressed in rags,  driving junk cars, etc,  but he always had his dope.





When he lived home he was a complete asshole to my dad all because of dope





Yes Dope Destroys Families.

Don't trespass or steal others crops and it's not a problem.    

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Oh, and I agree with wunbadweasel's idea that parents should be allowed to shoot anyone who sells or even attempts to sell drugs to their kids.

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Safer than Advil, a little (or a lot) of weed has never killed anybody, nor is it known to induce the kind of violent behavior linked to, say, alcohol.

   

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That's what I call winning.

Even considering the source, that's just fucked up. - TS
   

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Really??????


I have a brother who loved dope so much it was more important than his family.
As for broken home.... Well he is now in Jail, and so isn't his son (nice he drug his kid down with him)

Kid needs medical corrections to his ears so he can hear and learn to speak...  No money for that but plenty for dope
Kids need clothes...  No money for that but plenty for dope

He made nearly 100k a year, Kids dressed in rags,  driving junk cars, etc,  but he always had his dope.


When he lived home he was a complete asshole to my dad all because of dope


Yes Dope Destroys Families.

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That part is not true at all. Pot causes permanent brain damage. It's just so obvious, pot heads are very well known for stupidity. Or are stupid people more inclined to smoke too much pot?Say can you remmber what I just said? Pot destroys the learning ability (forming memory)
On violence, pretty much every other gang member who are well known to be the most vioelnt members of the society is smoking pot, in fact most of them get really high on pot before commiting violent crimes, fights, shootings, robberies, etc... Yes, gangs and drugs go hand in hand. I have known lots of people who indulged in marijuana and haven't committed murders, rapes, shootings, or thefts. As a matter of fact, most of them were pretty alright people.
Drivers on pot are as dangerous as drunk drivers. And impaired driving is illegal - be it alcohol, marijuana, or prescription drugs.

Pot does have some medical uses, so does opium and cocaine.

All that said, I'm not in favor of cruel and unusual punishment.
I am in favor of harsher punshiments for the dealers who target the schools and children though. Once again, 20 years in prison for selling to kids? People get less for raping a child, which I find pretty fucked up.

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Let's be real clear here.  When you write "dope, dope, dope" you are referring to marijuana?  If so, this is the most incredible story I have ever read.  

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Really??????


I have a brother who loved dope so much it was more important than his family.
As for broken home.... Well he is now in Jail, and so isn't his son (nice he drug his kid down with him)

Kid needs medical corrections to his ears so he can hear and learn to speak...  No money for that but plenty for dope
Kids need clothes...  No money for that but plenty for dope

He made nearly 100k a year, Kids dressed in rags,  driving junk cars, etc,  but he always had his dope.


When he lived home he was a complete asshole to my dad all because of dope


Yes Dope Destroys Families.

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So, illegal crops grown on MY national and state forest property earns the right to get me shot? Drugs grown on the ranch where WE have the lease means WE are deserving to be shot?
Got news for folks; drug dealers are growing all over the place, on other peoples' property so they will not get their property confiscated. Drug dealers are muscling in on medical grower operations to squeeze their cut from the growers. Since I see it right here, daily, I am not convinced by your using colored script in your post.

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That part is not true at all. Pot causes permanent brain damage. It's just so obvious, pot heads are very well known for stupidity. Say can you remmber what I just said? Pot destroys the learning ability (forming memory)
On violence, pretty much every other gang member who are well known to be the most vioelnt members of the society is smoking pot, in fact most of them get really high on pot before commiting violent crimes, fights, shootings, robberies, etc...
Drivers on pot are as dangerous as drunk drivers.

Pot does have some medical uses, so does opium and cocaine.

All that said, I'm not in favor of cruel and unusual punishment.
I am in favor of harsher punshiments for the dealers who target the schools and children though.

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If it were legal, farmers would grow it on their own land out in the open, so his point is still a valid one.

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No if it were legal it would (and should be) treated under the same laws as Liquor

Same regulations (no home making/growing) Taxed and regulated the same as any other strong intoxicant.

And under the ATF not the FDA

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How would it be grown if not by farmers?  Let's say Coors gets into the pot business? Are they going to buy up huge areas of fenced in land or contract farmers to grow it for them?  Either way, the point about not tresspassing on private property if it were legal still stands.

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That part is not true at all. Pot causes permanent brain damage. It's just so obvious, pot heads are very well known for stupidity. Say can you remmber what I just said? Pot destroys the learning ability (forming memory)
On violence, pretty much every other gang member who are well known to be the most vioelnt members of the society is smoking pot, in fact most of them get really high on pot before commiting violent crimes, fights, shootings, robberies, etc...
Drivers on pot are as dangerous as drunk drivers.

Pot does have some medical uses, so does opium and cocaine.

All that said, I'm not in favor of cruel and unusual punishment.
I am in favor of harsher punshiments for the dealers who target the schools and children though.

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Reading comprehension.  Life without parole for pot WITH an illegally possessed firearm.

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Yes marijuana.


Sad part is he was cool before he got into drugs, Then he loved the drugs more than anything else.
Not incredible, nor rare, Far to common of a story, I'm 48 I've see far to many throw their lives away.

These threads are all the same, soon someone will say Oh but your opinion does not count
because your emotional about it or get better friends family etc.  This is the same as the ones
who want to drink and drive but have never buried a friend or loved one, because of it.  

Time to grow up and act like an adult, are you really that weak that you need to get high?
What happens if your child, Parent, loved one etc gets hurt and needs you to be 100%

A lot of people in this thread either are in Denial or that are truly ignorant.

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It obviously would needed to be grown in a controlled and guarded area.


It would Not be treated as a Food crop but as Liquor.

If you want it under the FDA it would then need to be "Manufactured"
(grown) in a pharmaceutical facility (think very sterile environment).

at that point it would be so expensive that even though it would be legal
it would be incredibly expensive so there still would be a black market.

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Really??????





I have a brother who loved dope so much it was more important than his family.

As for broken home.... Well he is now in Jail, and so isn't his son (nice he drug his kid down with him)



Kid needs medical corrections to his ears so he can hear and learn to speak...  No money for that but plenty for dope

Kids need clothes...  No money for that but plenty for dope



He made nearly 100k a year, Kids dressed in rags,  driving junk cars, etc,  but he always had his dope.





When he lived home he was a complete asshole to my dad all because of dope





Yes Dope Destroys Families.

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Really??????



I have a brother who loved dope so much it was more important than his family.

As for broken home.... Well he is now in Jail, and so isn't his son (nice he drug his kid down with him)



Kid needs medical corrections to his ears so he can hear and learn to speak...  No money for that but plenty for dope

Kids need clothes...  No money for that but plenty for dope



He made nearly 100k a year, Kids dressed in rags,  driving junk cars, etc,  but he always had his dope.



When he lived home he was a complete asshole to my dad all because of dope



Yes Dope Destroys Families.

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Know how I know you're high?
 

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I don't want it under the FDA. It seems that the same processes used to manufacture tobacco would be appropriate for pot.  Even if it was given the same stringent controls as alcohol, it still would not be overly expensive. Yes, plenty of people brew their own beer, but the vast majority just go down to the corner store.Any great expense would be due to government overregulation which is the whole original problem in the first place.

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I don't want anybody selling guns to kids on teh streetcorner.  We therefore should ban guns.

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So you don't want to legalise?



Statist

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i'm sorry if you take it that way. My only point is that if one's children do down the wrong path, then the primary fault is on parenting, not the government, not the laws. You implied you should be able to shoot somone if they sell your kids drugs.  My point is that by the time your kids are buying drugs off the street, then the battle has already been lost.  THere are many immoral choices I would dread my daughters make, from making porn, to smoking pot, to voting democrat.  If they do any on these things, then I as their father have failed them, not the governmnet.





Edited because "Fuck you" does not merit a thoughtful and polite response.

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And now I'll gleefully await the freedom-lovers who will state: "Just tax it by the IRS and guarantee purity by the FDA...."

And then contrast the WoD as anti-freedom due to .gov expansion. Which, admittedly it is at this point.

You can't have it both ways and claim a principled stand.

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Pot is not the same as  tobacco it is more like Liquor



You cannot Home Brew Liquor

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Pot is not the same as  tobacco it is more like Liquor

You cannot Home Brew Liquor

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Poor analogy
Selliing guns to kids is already banned/illegal

 

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That is so much BS
There are a lot of kids brought up with the best parenting and yet still fall from grace
You making a blanket statement that it has to be the parenting is pure arrogant BS on your part, par for the navydoc holier than thou posts.
 

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Ah, yes you can
 

In the US, distillation is illegal without a Federal permit.
By ’moonshine’, I assume you do not mean beer or wine, but the distillation of the fermented product.

Making beer at home is an issue left to the individual states, and in Washington it is legal to make your own beer and wine at home, but you can’t sell it.

Distillation, however, is federally regulated. According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms (BATF), you can legally own a still no larger than one gallon and you have to use it for water purification or to extract essential oils from plants. If you do buy a still, the shop that sold it to you has to surrender your contact information to the BATF if they request it, and no warrant is required for them to get it either. You have to pay excise tax, get bonded, and on and on and on.

Distillation of alcohol without a permit is a federal crime and probably a state one too, so get a permit or don’t do it.

You may use a distillery to make alcohol for fuel, but those federal and state permits can cost more than $3,000 annually.

Tough out of luck - see the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, their FAQ page, and some of the latest ammended laws. You will find ....

Spirits You cannot produce spirits for beverage purposes without paying taxes and without prior approval of paperwork to operate a distilled spirits plant. [See 26 U.S.C. 5601 & 5602 for some of the criminal penalties.] There are numerous requirements that must be met that make it impractical to produce spirits for personal or beverage use. Some of these requirements are paying special tax, filing an extensive application, filing a bond, providing adequate equipment to measure spirits, providing suitable tanks and pipelines, providing a separate building (other than a dwelling) and maintaining detailed records, and filing reports. All of these requirements are listed in 27 CFR Part 19.

Ray emailed the BATF for the reference statutes concerning home distillation. Here is their response:

Ray, you have not been able to locate anything on home production because there is no provision for it. Moonshining is still illegal!! Unlike wine or beer, the laws and regulations governing distilled spirits contain no provision that would allow someone to produce spirits in their home for personal use. Under 26 U.S.C. Section 5171 operations as a distiller, warehouseman or processor may be conducted only on the bonded premises of a qualified distilled spirits plant. To qualify such a plant, a registration, application for permit and bond must be filed in addition to other supporting organizational documents. 26 U.S.C. 5178 places restrictions on where a plant can be located. Hope this answers your question.

Carol Coy Industry Specialist National Revenue Center-Cincinnati, OH Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms e-mail: [email protected]

What all this basically comes down to is ... 1. Americans can own a still, but it must be no larger than 1 gallon, and may only be used for water purification or the extraction of essential oils from plants. 2.Dealers/manufacturers of stills in the United States must surrender any address or other info on any customer who buys a still to the BATF, when they request it.(no warrant is required.)

What this means is that anyone who buys a still in America can at any time expect a knock at the door and a man with a badge demanding to see what is being done with the still they bought. How this affects the companies seen advertising 5 gallon stills for use as a water purifier, was not listed, nor is there any info on solar stills. It is probably VERY illegal to import a still too.

If you're trying the angle of making alcohol as a fuel (yes, this is legal!), see Steve Spence's site for all the details.

Whats the cost of doing it right ? Don advises ...

State license(varies from $75-$4,500 per year) & a Federal license ($500 per year) plus State & Fed. production taxes. Registration of all supplies, suppliers, formulas (Subject to classification and approval) and label reg. (Subject to classification and approval). More paperwork than money. If you already have a brewery or winery (bonded premises) an "alternation of premises" may be obtained to operate a distillery (with the additional license) on site. Well worth the trouble, because there is still room at the top.

See Prohibition.

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Misdirection
He didn't say sell drugs to his kids
he said "Kids" periods
You made a false claim to legitimize your argument

 

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

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This thread made me grab another beer and spark up a jernt.

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When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.

When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.

When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.

When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.

When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".

That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

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The Doritos are over there.

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When the makers of Advil start digging in punji sticks around their plant and shoot trespassers in parking lots.



When the pharma companies start beheading each other with chainsaws on video.



When Bayer tortures and hangs the bodies of Tylenol employees from highway overpasses.



When Canada's .gov is so , and thoroughly corrupted by manufacturers of asthma inhalers that provincial heads of state are slain along with their families and North Dakota needs the BP manpower assigned to Texas.



When the marijuana-smoking community finally admits the medical benefits of delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol can be ingested in a form that doesn't create a "high".



That's when I'll buy into legalization. Go ahead now and tutor me in why legalization would negate all I've just described, the disparity/dichotomy of Prohibition in contrast, and the assault upon freedoms caused by me not wanting anybody selling my kids any fucking dope.

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Man, some of you are really wound up.

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These threads always bring out the herp.

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Actually you are quite wrong and tried to cherry pick the discussion out of contect to create some sort of "gotcha:" moment to fulfill some sort of e-stalking thing you have against me.

In his post above that he said




He said "MY kids" thereby personalizing it. Sorry, you failed at whatever you were trying to do.   Next time read the whole discussion before you say "GOTCHA!"