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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:51:18 AM EDT
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Football guy is always within safe distance of very, very well armed dudes. im thinking that is the answer. Is the Football carrier a military representative or SS? The duty rotates between the services, its an O5 billet IIRC. Kharn Great. A porter with an O5 pay grade. Sounds union to me. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:55:13 AM EDT
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Football guy is always within safe distance of very, very well armed dudes. im thinking that is the answer. Is the Football carrier a military representative or SS? The duty rotates between the services, its an O5 billet IIRC. Kharn Great. A porter with an O5 pay grade. Sounds union to me. It goes beyond that. They also fuck up your fills and radio presets! FUCKING MIL-AIDES! |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:56:33 AM EDT
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Football guy is always within safe distance of very, very well armed dudes. im thinking that is the answer. Is the Football carrier a military representative or SS? The duty rotates between the services, its an O5 billet IIRC. Kharn Great. A porter with an O5 pay grade. Sounds union to me. nope it is an O4 and above slot |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 8:57:09 AM EDT
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Glock fo-tay. Self destruct device, huh? Ingenious! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I rost 
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:17:55 AM EDT
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OMG, the third is with the Vice President. 
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:24:46 AM EDT
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No. I know a fellow who did it for a while. They have people around him who are. His job is to hang on to the ball. Their job is to shoot bad people.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:28:39 AM EDT
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I think a more interesting question would be does the football holder have to prove himself through a game of smear the qu#3r? Seems like appropriate training.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:30:40 AM EDT
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I will sit back and watch this exchange with much amusement. rofl...+1. I was waiting to see how long before you'd post. 
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:33:10 AM EDT
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Dereliction of Duty is a pretty good read on the matter. The author was one of klinton's ball handlers.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:38:32 AM EDT
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So do you think they have a spot on the football, where you can enter your e-mail and it will send you a new password??
Just in case you forget... Those authentication codes are a little on the long side... |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:39:32 AM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. Wrong I will second that. I have been armed around a former President and I am not secret service. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:40:02 AM EDT
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Im sure one of the war plans is a strike on the footballs location..... Which football? I thought he played mostly golf? |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:44:42 AM EDT
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Dereliction of Duty is a pretty good read on the matter. The author was one of klinton's ball handlers. I thought that was Monicas job? hmmm
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:03:47 AM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg Having a firearm does not constitue being armed. There's the matter of ammunition... You're just reaching now. How about this: I myself have been within six or eight feet of Vice President Cheney while I was armed in plainclothes, and the Secret Service knew it. Do you know what these are? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=36156 Well no one asked yet, so I guess I am the person who is going to ask on everyone's behalf what they are. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:08:11 AM EDT
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if the carrier gives the football to another carrier, does it need to be a lateral pass?
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:09:01 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg Having a firearm does not constitue being armed. There's the matter of ammunition... You're just reaching now. How about this: I myself have been within six or eight feet of Vice President Cheney while I was armed in plainclothes, and the Secret Service knew it. Do you know what these are? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=36156 Well no one asked yet, so I guess I am the person who is going to ask on everyone's behalf what they are. They are disposable, one-event lapel markers that an individual is permitted within certain confines of the secured area. Always with restrictions and limitations. Often used for people who are shaking hands with the President, band members, standby telephone company guy, stagehands etc. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:12:43 AM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg Having a firearm does not constitue being armed. There's the matter of ammunition... You're just reaching now. How about this: I myself have been within six or eight feet of Vice President Cheney while I was armed in plainclothes, and the Secret Service knew it. Do you know what these are? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=36156 When were you hanging around Cheney? I used to crew his ride inside the beltway a lot. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:13:25 AM EDT
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Quoted: I used to have one that meant "man with a gun" and was within a couple of feet of Clinton. All they did was get my SSN and a copy of my department ID a couple of days in advance. I got the pin prior to going on duty at the event. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg Having a firearm does not constitue being armed. There's the matter of ammunition... You're just reaching now. How about this: I myself have been within six or eight feet of Vice President Cheney while I was armed in plainclothes, and the Secret Service knew it. Do you know what these are? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=36156 Well no one asked yet, so I guess I am the person who is going to ask on everyone's behalf what they are. They are disposable, one-event lapel markers that an individual is permitted within certain confines of the secured area. Always with restrictions and limitations. Often used for people who are shaking hands with the President, band members, standby telephone company guy, stagehands etc. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:13:38 AM EDT
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Football guy is always within safe distance of very, very well armed dudes. On occasion, many years ago, I carried a "Blackbook Briefing" (TS/SCI) to the Community CG, and had an armed escort. (1911A1). He carried one more stripe than I did. No uzi. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:30:03 AM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg Having a firearm does not constitue being armed. There's the matter of ammunition... You're just reaching now. How about this: I myself have been within six or eight feet of Vice President Cheney while I was armed in plainclothes, and the Secret Service knew it. Do you know what these are? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=36156 SARGE tags. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:35:53 AM EDT
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I used to have one that meant "man with a gun" and was within a couple of feet of Clinton. All they did was get my SSN and a copy of my department ID a couple of days in advance. I got the pin prior to going on duty at the event.
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg Having a firearm does not constitue being armed. There's the matter of ammunition... You're just reaching now. How about this: I myself have been within six or eight feet of Vice President Cheney while I was armed in plainclothes, and the Secret Service knew it. Do you know what these are? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=36156 Well no one asked yet, so I guess I am the person who is going to ask on everyone's behalf what they are. They are disposable, one-event lapel markers that an individual is permitted within certain confines of the secured area. Always with restrictions and limitations. Often used for people who are shaking hands with the President, band members, standby telephone company guy, stagehands etc. Was your job as an LEO to protect the president or protect/keep control of the other people? If something were to happen, what would you do? Draw your gun? Is that what the badges were for - so that they could easily identify you were on the good side and not shoot you should something happen? |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:45:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/4/2012 10:47:39 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I used to have one that meant "man with a gun" and was within a couple of feet of Clinton. All they did was get my SSN and a copy of my department ID a couple of days in advance. I got the pin prior to going on duty at the event. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg Having a firearm does not constitue being armed. There's the matter of ammunition... You're just reaching now. How about this: I myself have been within six or eight feet of Vice President Cheney while I was armed in plainclothes, and the Secret Service knew it. Do you know what these are? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=36156 Well no one asked yet, so I guess I am the person who is going to ask on everyone's behalf what they are. They are disposable, one-event lapel markers that an individual is permitted within certain confines of the secured area. Always with restrictions and limitations. Often used for people who are shaking hands with the President, band members, standby telephone company guy, stagehands etc. Was your job as an LEO to protect the president or protect/keep control of the other people? If something were to happen, what would you do? Draw your gun? Is that what the badges were for - so that they could easily identify you were on the good side and not shoot you should something happen? If the Secret Service needs your help (local LEO, State Troopers, etc) for their protection detail/perimeter, you get to wear a gun and have ammunition. If you show up at the White House for a tour with your deputy dog badge, you go in unarmed. I know of instances where the president met with troops who were getting ready to deploy and they had the soldiers remove either the firing pins or bolts before the meeting. It depends on who is running the detail and how anal they want to be. But, they know they need the local help, so they play nice. Usually, the chief and his buddies get nice pics with the president if it is a semi-permanent site (e.g. President Bush's ranch near Waco). |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 11:09:43 AM EDT
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Im sure one of the war plans is a strike on the footballs location..... Which football? I thought he played mostly golf? Ah, guys, its now called the "basketball" as per executive order. |
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Posted: 1/4/2012 1:02:18 PM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg Having a firearm does not constitue being armed. There's the matter of ammunition... You're just reaching now. How about this: I myself have been within six or eight feet of Vice President Cheney while I was armed in plainclothes, and the Secret Service knew it. Do you know what these are? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=36156 When were you hanging around Cheney? I used to crew his ride inside the beltway a lot. 2005-2006, but I wasn't exactly hanging around with him.  Our guy met with him or attended the same event that he did a couple of times. I try to stay in my lane when it comes to White House stuff because my experience is so limited. I have dealt quite a bit with the Secret Service on the SecTreas detail as well as with visiting foreign heads of state, though.
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Posted: 1/4/2012 9:31:53 PM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. Hmm I'll see if I can find the pic I had taken with Clinton when he came to the town where I am a cop. I'm in Uniform with a Glock23, 2 mags, ASP, knife and spray on my belt and a glock 26 on my vest (most of which is visible in the pic). SS said Na da about any of it and did not seem to concerned, lol J- |
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Posted: 1/5/2012 6:04:36 AM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg Having a firearm does not constitue being armed. There's the matter of ammunition... You're just reaching now. How about this: I myself have been within six or eight feet of Vice President Cheney while I was armed in plainclothes, and the Secret Service knew it. Do you know what these are? http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=36156 When were you hanging around Cheney? I used to crew his ride inside the beltway a lot. 2005-2006, but I wasn't exactly hanging around with him. Our guy met with him or attended the same event that he did a couple of times. I try to stay in my lane when it comes to White House stuff because my experience is so limited. I have dealt quite a bit with the Secret Service on the SecTreas detail as well as with visiting foreign heads of state, though.Cool I was moving him during that time but we normally only supported him inside the beltway |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 1:56:49 AM EDT
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Probably not armed when they are playing with it on the beach.  President Barack Obama EATS DIRT in Shirtless Football Game  Always on vacation BO. Mmmm sand. http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/04/president-barack-obama-football-hawaii/#.TwRDhIGwVgE |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 2:16:34 AM EDT
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I'm surprised the cocksucker in charge hasn't changed it to a basketball.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 2:18:50 AM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. This was my first thought as well. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 2:51:50 AM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. Wrong Amazing huh? There was a story a couple years back, can't remember what publication. Their military uniforms are designed to conceal an M9. Yes the guy with the football is armed... Discreetly. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 2:53:27 AM EDT
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I read an article years ago about the football. In the article it said that the service member carrying the football had a specially tailored uniform which housed a pistol pocket for concealment. Apparently we read the same article. Was that the one that mentioned th motorcade left without him and he had to get himself back to the White House? |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 2:55:17 AM EDT
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I read an article years ago about the football. In the article it said that the service member carrying the football had a specially tailored uniform which housed a pistol pocket for concealment. That is total BS. Th story may be BS, but I read the same story. 
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Posted: 1/6/2012 4:18:28 AM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg M9's? Do they actually have ammo or is it just for show? |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 4:42:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2012 4:43:58 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2012 6:07:14 AM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg M9's? Do they actually have ammo or is it just for show? Again, my actual White House knowledge and experience is pretty thin, but what would be the purpose of putting a holstered pistol and spare mag carrier on a Marine there ...and notice that it's only one of the two Marines visible in that shot... if it's just for show? Consider that the lawn of the White House and the tarmac at Andrews AFB are not the only places where Marine One sets down, and it might be a good idea to have folks with guns to protect the birds while they're on the ground. There are also other armed Marines at other places the President goes, so why should this one Lance Corporal be an exception? Either way, if it encourages idiots to behave when they might otherwise act up, it serves its purpose. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:16:22 AM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg M9's? Do they actually have ammo or is it just for show? That Marine's job is to protect the aircraft. And those guys take it seriously. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:35:22 AM EDT
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The Secret Service does not take kindly to having armed persons around the President who are not members of that orginization. http://por-img.cimcontent.net/api/assets/bin-200906/9025fc083011b4060cc10cb936940e91.jpg M9's? Do they actually have ammo or is it just for show? That Marine's job is to protect the aircraft. And those guys take it seriously. Crewing Marine One would have to be the ultimate in job satisfaction. |
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Posted: 1/6/2012 8:36:37 AM EDT
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My dad (Navy Commander) carried the football under President Ford. He was not armed. Had to go through all kinds of special decompression training in case Air Force One was hit and lost cabin pressure, etc. He hadn't asked for the assignment, but was trained in communications and I guess that was part of the selection process. Never talked much about it, but he was away from the family a lot.
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Posted: 1/6/2012 4:27:45 PM EDT
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The real question should be "Does one of the SS guys have a machete to chop off the football carriers hand in the event he is killed so they can escape faster?" Hand chopping? I don't recall that. Why would there be hand chopping? I was assuming the thing is handcuffed or otherwise attached to his arm. hand cuff key?
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