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Posted: 10/18/2021 10:07:40 PM EDT
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Quoted: Haven't died yet. Putting on flame retardant suit now to prepare for incoming flames  Don't know if it's the right decision for anyone else, but as a 50yo with underlying conditions think it's right for me. You can do what ever the fuck you want. Just don't tell or mandate me to do anything. |
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Posted: 10/18/2021 10:28:58 PM EDT
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He has the option of joining the anti-vaxx resistance , get the card but don't use it. Sooner or later someone takes a stand, you bend a knee here you won't be w/ us down the road when it really counts. This is just a data finding exercise hiding in the smokescreen of a mild pandemic, they want numbers for future endeavors and to gauge the blowback.
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Posted: 10/19/2021 12:15:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ETA - I just read one of your prior posts. You seem to be operating under the belief that the gene therapies provide sterilizing immunity, which means, you get the shots, you get the antibodies, you don't get covid. You equated them to the Hep B series, which also produce sterilizing immunity. You have an apples to oranges comparison going on. Just like the polio vax...get the shot, don't get polio. Take the covid gene therapies, and not only do you still get covid, but you transmit it to others as well. The only belief I'm operating under in that respect is that if I'm vaccinated I'm less likely to end up in the hospital and less likely to die. That's it. I'm pretty sure at some point I'm going to get a mild case of COVID-19. I am also not trying to convince you that you should believe the same thing, but that's the conclusion I reached looking at all the stats about the vaccine, the breakthrough cases, as well as reading all the anecdotal posts about who does and who doesn't end up in the ICU. I'm sure you have different experiences that have lead you to have different beliefs, that's ok. The above are just my own reasons for getting the vaccine and booster. |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 9:23:49 AM EDT
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Have you read about ADE, and Israel's current study?
Aren't you concerned about the people who have had their immune systems kill them by replicating the virus rather than killing it? |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 9:29:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I took a poop today, as a guy over 50 it seemed like the right thing to do.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 11:37:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's nice. I'm 65 with Emphysema and immune system problems. I don't think the mandated shots are the right choice for me. Don't think they are the right choice for my kids or grandkids, either. I sincerely hope you do not succumb to ADE. |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 11:46:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you read about ADE, and Israel's current study? Aren't you concerned about the people who have had their immune systems kill them by replicating the virus rather than killing it? The Pfizer vaccine I got isn't based on a live virus and only builds a part of it, the spike protein. I personally have never seen anything that convinced me ADE was a big risk. I think there is a lot of FUD being spread on both sides, with hysterical claims that young healthy people are going to die in droves if they don't get vaccinated on one side, and hysterical claims that the vaccine is secretly going to kill everyone on the other. My own personal view of the data is that reality is much more boring: the vaccine works pretty well, but particularly younger people are already at such a low risk of serious disease that getting it doesn't meaningfully change their expectations about their health. |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 6:11:23 PM EDT
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Would you at least commit to an update in case you befall an unfortunate side effect?
Perhaps a note in your wallet with your login info and a link to the thread asking NOK to update us. God speed friend and thank you for your commitment to scientific study |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 6:50:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would you at least commit to an update in case you befall an unfortunate side effect? Perhaps a note in your wallet with your login info and a link to the thread asking NOK to update us. God speed friend and thank you for your commitment to scientific study  Had a rough night last night. I should have told them to inject the other arm--I sleep on my side and constantly got woken up trying to sleep on my sore arm. It's significantly less sore today, though. |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 7:04:11 PM EDT
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 “I got vaccinated” GD: “did you also join CrossFit”, “don’t ask, don’t tell” “I’m not getting vaccinated” GD: “you are a proud warrior hero figure to be adored, please tell us more oh great one and let us bask in your glory” |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 7:42:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Had a rough night last night. I should have told them to inject the other arm--I sleep on my side and constantly got woken up trying to sleep on my sore arm. It's significantly less sore today, though. thanks for the update, hopefully the arm you write with can still write that note with the suggested instructions, perhaps amending your will to require we be updated by your estate would be a good back up as well. Gotta cover the bases. Again, thank you for your scientific contribution!
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Posted: 10/19/2021 9:30:34 PM EDT
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 Quoted:Haven't died yet. Putting on flame retardant suit now to prepare for incoming flames Don't know if it's the right decision for anyone else, but as a 50yo with underlying conditions think it's right for me. |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 9:41:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only belief I'm operating under in that respect is that if I'm vaccinated I'm less likely to end up in the hospital and less likely to die. That's it. I'm pretty sure at some point I'm going to get a mild case of COVID-19. I am also not trying to convince you that you should believe the same thing, but that's the conclusion I reached looking at all the stats about the vaccine, the breakthrough cases, as well as reading all the anecdotal posts about who does and who doesn't end up in the ICU. I'm sure you have different experiences that have lead you to have different beliefs, that's ok. The above are just my own reasons for getting the vaccine and booster. |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 10:04:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Pfizer vaccine I got isn't based on a live virus and only builds a part of it, the spike protein. I personally have never seen anything that convinced me ADE was a big risk. I think there is a lot of FUD being spread on both sides, with hysterical claims that young healthy people are going to die in droves if they don't get vaccinated on one side, and hysterical claims that the vaccine is secretly going to kill everyone on the other. My own personal view of the data is that reality is much more boring: the vaccine works pretty well, but particularly younger people are already at such a low risk of serious disease that getting it doesn't meaningfully change their expectations about their health. I am curious what research you engaged in, particularly with regards to the third "booster?" I can only guess that you employed Google, which would have been a rather significant mistake. The risk of ADE with regards to these vaccines is significant. It is the sole reason why a vaccine for coronavirus has NEVER been produced for public consumption in over 30 years of studying it. But don't worry, Moderna had their's ready in just under 48 hours, so I'm sure they got it right. Pfizer was 6 days, IIRC. Anyhow, you obviously did not read this study, Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID-19 vaccines worsening clinical disease I can just save you the time, "The specific and significant COVID-19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed to research subjects currently in vaccine trials When the 4th booster comes out, will you receive it as well? There is ZERO data regarding the third booster, and, in fact, they were denied by the bankrupted FDA, yet you got it anyway. At the end of the day, I guess what I am trying to ask is, "Are you fucking nuts?" |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 12:18:47 AM EDT
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That article was published Dec 4, 2020 and is a review of research published even before that, long before the vaccine was available. It raised a concern that it MIGHT be a risk based on things that have happened in other cases with other diseases and that the study participants should be told of that possiblity. It didn't end up happening to the study participants, the vaccinated had LESS cases of COVID, not more, and since that time hundreds of millions of people got vaccinated and it turned out not to be a concern.
At least I've seen no convincing evidence that it ACTUALLY happens as that guy feared it possibly could have. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 2:56:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That article was published Dec 4, 2020 and is a review of research published even before that, long before the vaccine was available. It raised a concern that it MIGHT be a risk based on things that have happened in other cases with other diseases and that the study participants should be told of that possiblity. It didn't end up happening to the study participants, the vaccinated had LESS cases of COVID, not more, and since that time hundreds of millions of people got vaccinated and it turned out not to be a concern. At least I've seen no convincing evidence that it ACTUALLY happens as that guy feared it possibly could have. If you want to get a booster every week I say go for it. Just keep us in the loop, for science and all that stuff....and some minor lulz |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 5:46:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You didn't answer either question directly. But I think I know what the answers are. Polio is recommended as 4 doses so it's not unusual. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 6:13:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Polio is recommended as 4 doses so it's not unusual. But after that you are protected for life. With these fake covid "vaccines" you can still catch and spread covid. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 7:14:18 AM EDT
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When speaking about other vaccines it’s important to also include the definition of vaccine at the time that drug was approved. They are not all comparable.
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Posted: 10/20/2021 7:46:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That article was published Dec 4, 2020 and is a review of research published even before that, long before the vaccine was available. It raised a concern that it MIGHT be a risk based on things that have happened in other cases with other diseases and that the study participants should be told of that possiblity. It didn't end up happening to the study participants, the vaccinated had LESS cases of COVID, not more, and since that time hundreds of millions of people got vaccinated and it turned out not to be a concern. At least I've seen no convincing evidence that it ACTUALLY happens as that guy feared it possibly could have. The trials were started in September of last year, just so you know. The trials were aborted, in case you hadn't read that. The 6-month followup for Pfizer showed no difference in mortality. The shots *may* reduce the severity of the disease but only for a short time (4-6 months depending on the person). They also *may* cause ADE which will make Kung Flu look like the sniffles and might kill you. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 10:57:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The trials were started in September of last year, just so you know. The trials were aborted, in case you hadn't read that. The 6-month followup for Pfizer showed no difference in mortality. The shots *may* reduce the severity of the disease but only for a short time (4-6 months depending on the person). They also *may* cause ADE which will make Kung Flu look like the sniffles and might kill you. Sure, but the word "may" here means pretty different things. The vaccine is reducing the severity of the disease in most people. Not everyone, so it MAY NOT in my case, but very probably it will. ADE was observed in animals infected with other diseases and treated with other vaccines. It MAY happen with the COVID vaccine in the "it's a theoretical possibility" sense, but it was never observed to happen in the trials and with hundreds of millions of doses given it's never been documented even once in the wild. But, you know--maybe. There are a lot of long shot bad things the can happen. I could get Guillain-Barré syndrome, I could get myocarditis, I could be really unlucky and be the first ever documented case of ADE with this vaccine. All POSSIBLE. I could also get hit by lightning. On the flip side 700,000 people like me--people over 50 with underlying conditions--actually did die from this thing, so to me I'm more worried about that, than about long shot side effects of the vaccine. If you're 35 and healthy you could very logically come to the opposite conclusion. You might also just believe different things than I do, or have religious or philosophical reasons that are more important to you than the statistics. All good. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 12:59:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The vaccine is reducing the severity of the disease in most people. Not everyone, so it MAY NOT in my case, but very probably it will. You do realize that many, many unvaxxed people that have been infected with COVID presented very minor symptoms, so your measure is not worth all that much. Now on the other hand if those infected with COVID typically experienced severe symptoms, you would be arguing from a much stronger position. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 1:03:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think anyone knows. There are other vaccines that are a three dose cycle to get lifetime immunity, that's how the Hepatitis vaccine works, 2nd dose at 2wk then 3rd at 6m. Maybe COVID will be like that. Also at some point presumably I will get COVID and have a mild case thanks to the vaccine, then have vac+recovered immunity. But no one really knows. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Out of curiosity... I'm not criticizing your choice, but assuming the boosters are recommended, hypothetically every 6 months to a year, will you continue getting boosters indefinitely? If a place of business requires a "vaccine passport" in order to do business will you show your passport and participate? I don't think anyone knows. There are other vaccines that are a three dose cycle to get lifetime immunity, that's how the Hepatitis vaccine works, 2nd dose at 2wk then 3rd at 6m. Maybe COVID will be like that. Also at some point presumably I will get COVID and have a mild case thanks to the vaccine, then have vac+recovered immunity. But no one really knows. "There are other vaccines that are a three dose cycle to get lifetime immunity, Maybe COVID will be like that."  |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 1:09:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
“I got vaccinated” GD: “did you also join CrossFit”, “don’t ask, don’t tell” “I’m not getting vaccinated” GD: “you are a proud warrior hero figure to be adored, please tell us more oh great one and let us bask in your glory” |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 1:13:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But no one really knows. That's the crux of the issue with the whole damn thing.... No one really knows, but what we DO know is that most of us are still here and we're not dropping in the streets, so this sense of urgency being pushed upon us is more than a little suspect, that is a fact |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 3:17:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, but the word "may" here means pretty different things. The vaccine is reducing the severity of the disease in most people. Not everyone, so it MAY NOT in my case, but very probably it will. ADE was observed in animals infected with other diseases and treated with other vaccines. It MAY happen with the COVID vaccine in the "it's a theoretical possibility" sense, but it was never observed to happen in the trials and with hundreds of millions of doses given it's never been documented even once in the wild. But, you know--maybe. There are a lot of long shot bad things the can happen. I could get Guillain-Barré syndrome, I could get myocarditis, I could be really unlucky and be the first ever documented case of ADE with this vaccine. All POSSIBLE. I could also get hit by lightning. On the flip side 700,000 people like me--people over 50 with underlying conditions--actually did die from this thing, so to me I'm more worried about that, than about long shot side effects of the vaccine. If you're 35 and healthy you could very logically come to the opposite conclusion. You might also just believe different things than I do, or have religious or philosophical reasons that are more important to you than the statistics. All good. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The trials were started in September of last year, just so you know. The trials were aborted, in case you hadn't read that. The 6-month followup for Pfizer showed no difference in mortality. The shots *may* reduce the severity of the disease but only for a short time (4-6 months depending on the person). They also *may* cause ADE which will make Kung Flu look like the sniffles and might kill you. Sure, but the word "may" here means pretty different things. The vaccine is reducing the severity of the disease in most people. Not everyone, so it MAY NOT in my case, but very probably it will. ADE was observed in animals infected with other diseases and treated with other vaccines. It MAY happen with the COVID vaccine in the "it's a theoretical possibility" sense, but it was never observed to happen in the trials and with hundreds of millions of doses given it's never been documented even once in the wild. But, you know--maybe. There are a lot of long shot bad things the can happen. I could get Guillain-Barré syndrome, I could get myocarditis, I could be really unlucky and be the first ever documented case of ADE with this vaccine. All POSSIBLE. I could also get hit by lightning. On the flip side 700,000 people like me--people over 50 with underlying conditions--actually did die from this thing, so to me I'm more worried about that, than about long shot side effects of the vaccine. If you're 35 and healthy you could very logically come to the opposite conclusion. You might also just believe different things than I do, or have religious or philosophical reasons that are more important to you than the statistics. All good. There has already been a good paper published on what happens at the cellular level due to these shots. And, it appears that at the cellular level, the shots can alter the innate immune system to cause an adverse reaction to a number of other pathogens. The example they used was exposing cells to a type of common fungus. It was a reaction similar to ADE in the cells. So, that would be like getting your shots, visiting a really old house, and end up in the hospital from it. Does actual observation at the cellular level translate directly into "that's what will happen" in something as complex as a real human being (vs cells and tissues)? Maybe, maybe not. But, I'm not willing to take that chance. Maybe you are. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 5:24:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, but the word "may" here means pretty different things. The vaccine is reducing the severity of the disease in most people. Not everyone, so it MAY NOT in my case, but very probably it will. ADE was observed in animals infected with other diseases and treated with other vaccines. It MAY happen with the COVID vaccine in the "it's a theoretical possibility" sense, but it was never observed to happen in the trials and with hundreds of millions of doses given it's never been documented even once in the wild. But, you know--maybe. There are a lot of long shot bad things the can happen. I could get Guillain-Barré syndrome, I could get myocarditis, I could be really unlucky and be the first ever documented case of ADE with this vaccine. All POSSIBLE. I could also get hit by lightning. On the flip side 700,000 people like me--people over 50 with underlying conditions--actually did die from this thing, so to me I'm more worried about that, than about long shot side effects of the vaccine. If you're 35 and healthy you could very logically come to the opposite conclusion. You might also just believe different things than I do, or have religious or philosophical reasons that are more important to you than the statistics. All good. 700k died WITH covid, not OF covid. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 7:40:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Polio is recommended as 4 doses so it's not unusual. And tetanus is six shots with a booster every 10 years for life. The horror. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 8:06:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And tetanus is six shots with a booster every 10 years for life. The horror. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Polio is recommended as 4 doses so it's not unusual. And tetanus is six shots with a booster every 10 years for life. The horror. Do what? I've never had 6 shots for tetanus in my entire life. If you are saying 6 shots if you HAVE tetanus, that's one thing. Preventative? Just the recommendation of one every 10 years. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 8:27:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There has already been a good paper published on what happens at the cellular level due to these shots. And, it appears that at the cellular level, the shots can alter the innate immune system to cause an adverse reaction to a number of other pathogens. The example they used was exposing cells to a type of common fungus. It was a reaction similar to ADE in the cells. So, that would be like getting your shots, visiting a really old house, and end up in the hospital from it. Does actual observation at the cellular level translate directly into "that's what will happen" in something as complex as a real human being (vs cells and tissues)? Maybe, maybe not. But, I'm not willing to take that chance. Maybe you are. At the cellular level mRNA vaccines reprogram a small number of cells to build spike proteins. Those cells die in 2-3 days and meanwhile the immune system reacts to the spike protein now circulating in the blood. Other vaccines deliver the same spike protein, but without using the mRNA technique. Getting infected with COVID also floods your immune system with spike protein, also made by reprogramming your own cells, but to a much higher degree. Anyway there are two steps here that are fairly independent: 1. A mechanism to deliver spike protein to the blood, and 2. The immune reaction to the spike The mRNA part relates entirely to step 1. Step 2 is common to any vaccine and also to natural immunity as well. It's possible that the immune response to the spike will have unintended consequences, and it does happen. Myocarditis is an example of an immune response creating inflammation in the heart muscle in response to the spike protein. Unsurprisingly it happens in some people both with the vaccine and with the virus: they both introduce the spike and create the same unintended immune response. ADE is theoretically possible with ANY antigen, regardless of whether it was introduced by a virus or a vaccine. The immune system can end up with a confused self vs other marker that tags the antigen, or something like it, as self. As with the vaccine, the spikes COVID introduced are made by your own cells, so it's possible some self marker will get mixed up. That is rare though and we haven't got a single case of it either from the vaccine or from the virus. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 8:37:13 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: [...] If you're 35 and healthy you could very logically come to the opposite conclusion. You might also just believe different things than I do, or have religious or philosophical reasons that are more important to you than the statistics. All good. I agree with your post and I support your decision to get the vax if that's what you feel is best for you. I'm 35 and healthy and came to to opposite conclusion. The problem is the authoritarian government is ruining people's careers who came to the same conclusion as me. It will likely get worse soon. Soon the vaccine will be mandatory for children. The decision is easy for me. I will not be forced to get the shots, nor will my 5 year old son. I will face whatever consequences that come in the face of this abhorrent tyranny. The much harder decision will be for people like you. You got the vax, which is fine, but if you choose to benefit from showing your proof of vaccination then you are supporting the tyranny. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 8:57:47 PM EDT
[#32]
You might as well get in line every month for one
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Posted: 10/20/2021 9:13:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2021 11:42:31 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do what? I've never had 6 shots for tetanus in my entire life. If you are saying 6 shots if you HAVE tetanus, that's one thing. Preventative? Just the recommendation of one every 10 years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Polio is recommended as 4 doses so it's not unusual. And tetanus is six shots with a booster every 10 years for life. The horror. Do what? I've never had 6 shots for tetanus in my entire life. If you are saying 6 shots if you HAVE tetanus, that's one thing. Preventative? Just the recommendation of one every 10 years. You weren’t vaccinated as a child? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-tdap-td/hcp/administering-vaccine.html |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 11:43:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 700k died WITH covid, not OF covid. Is it the same with cancer? You die with cancer, not of cancer? Does that make any difference? |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 11:45:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2021 11:49:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it the same with cancer? You die with cancer, not of cancer? Does that make any difference? Yeah, it does. Someone in hospice who is literally dying of cancer gets tested after death, and it is discovered they had the china virus, and are added to the death by covid rolls. They are counted among the covid deaths, but sure as fuck didn't die from it. There are thousands of cases like this. The flu would kill 700k annually if the same rules applied as covid. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 1:39:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, it does. Someone in hospice who is literally dying of cancer gets tested after death, and it is discovered they had the china virus, and are added to the death by covid rolls. They are counted among the covid deaths, but sure as fuck didn't die from it. There are thousands of cases like this. The flu would kill 700k annually if the same rules applied as covid. Believe it or not the same rules do apply to the flu. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 2:39:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Believe it or not the same rules do apply to the flu. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah, it does. Someone in hospice who is literally dying of cancer gets tested after death, and it is discovered they had the china virus, and are added to the death by covid rolls. They are counted among the covid deaths, but sure as fuck didn't die from it. There are thousands of cases like this. The flu would kill 700k annually if the same rules applied as covid. Believe it or not the same rules do apply to the flu. And yet the govt & big biz aren't threatening people's jobs & livelihoods over submitting to the flu vaccine. This sort if accounting only serves to generate dishonest representation of the impact of what is being called a pandemic. Accuracy is obviously inconvenient. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 2:41:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My expectation is that this isn't a perpetual six month thing. I expect it's either three doses build long term immunity as with the Hepatitis vaccine I've got a beautiful oceanfront property out in the Utah badlands I'll sell ya for a good price... |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 6:49:48 AM EDT
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OP thinks 3 is the magic number is yet Israel has been rumbling about a 4th shot...
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:06:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP thinks 3 is the magic number is yet Israel has been rumbling about a 4th shot... hehe Gotta get as many shots in arms as possible before the side effects start showing up so big pharma and all the politicians can ca$h in. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 7:14:48 AM EDT
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Dibs on OP's guns 'n shit.
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:37:49 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At the cellular level mRNA vaccines reprogram a small number of cells to build spike proteins. Those cells die in 2-3 days and meanwhile the immune system reacts to the spike protein now circulating in the blood. Other vaccines deliver the same spike protein, but without using the mRNA technique. Getting infected with COVID also floods your immune system with spike protein, also made by reprogramming your own cells, but to a much higher degree. Anyway there are two steps here that are fairly independent: 1. A mechanism to deliver spike protein to the blood, and 2. The immune reaction to the spike The mRNA part relates entirely to step 1. Step 2 is common to any vaccine and also to natural immunity as well. It's possible that the immune response to the spike will have unintended consequences, and it does happen. Myocarditis is an example of an immune response creating inflammation in the heart muscle in response to the spike protein. Unsurprisingly it happens in some people both with the vaccine and with the virus: they both introduce the spike and create the same unintended immune response. ADE is theoretically possible with ANY antigen, regardless of whether it was introduced by a virus or a vaccine. The immune system can end up with a confused self vs other marker that tags the antigen, or something like it, as self. As with the vaccine, the spikes COVID introduced are made by your own cells, so it's possible some self marker will get mixed up. That is rare though and we haven't got a single case of it either from the vaccine or from the virus. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There has already been a good paper published on what happens at the cellular level due to these shots. And, it appears that at the cellular level, the shots can alter the innate immune system to cause an adverse reaction to a number of other pathogens. The example they used was exposing cells to a type of common fungus. It was a reaction similar to ADE in the cells. So, that would be like getting your shots, visiting a really old house, and end up in the hospital from it. Does actual observation at the cellular level translate directly into "that's what will happen" in something as complex as a real human being (vs cells and tissues)? Maybe, maybe not. But, I'm not willing to take that chance. Maybe you are. At the cellular level mRNA vaccines reprogram a small number of cells to build spike proteins. Those cells die in 2-3 days and meanwhile the immune system reacts to the spike protein now circulating in the blood. Other vaccines deliver the same spike protein, but without using the mRNA technique. Getting infected with COVID also floods your immune system with spike protein, also made by reprogramming your own cells, but to a much higher degree. Anyway there are two steps here that are fairly independent: 1. A mechanism to deliver spike protein to the blood, and 2. The immune reaction to the spike The mRNA part relates entirely to step 1. Step 2 is common to any vaccine and also to natural immunity as well. It's possible that the immune response to the spike will have unintended consequences, and it does happen. Myocarditis is an example of an immune response creating inflammation in the heart muscle in response to the spike protein. Unsurprisingly it happens in some people both with the vaccine and with the virus: they both introduce the spike and create the same unintended immune response. ADE is theoretically possible with ANY antigen, regardless of whether it was introduced by a virus or a vaccine. The immune system can end up with a confused self vs other marker that tags the antigen, or something like it, as self. As with the vaccine, the spikes COVID introduced are made by your own cells, so it's possible some self marker will get mixed up. That is rare though and we haven't got a single case of it either from the vaccine or from the virus. I'm not so sure we haven't had a case of ADE yet. Even the head of the CDC(?) indicated the data coming out of Israel was "concerning" in that regard. For her to even say that means that they already know it's happening over there. We were a few months behind Israel in our shot rollout so we may be seeing that here around the first of the year. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 8:41:24 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You weren’t vaccinated as a child? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-tdap-td/hcp/administering-vaccine.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Polio is recommended as 4 doses so it's not unusual. And tetanus is six shots with a booster every 10 years for life. The horror. Do what? I've never had 6 shots for tetanus in my entire life. If you are saying 6 shots if you HAVE tetanus, that's one thing. Preventative? Just the recommendation of one every 10 years. You weren’t vaccinated as a child? https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/dtap-tdap-td/hcp/administering-vaccine.html Not with 6 shots. I've never had 6 shots of anything. I understand rabies is also a (very painful) multi-shot thing but I haven't had those either (thankfully). Even my son (born 1985) didn't go thru 6 shots. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 11:57:38 AM EDT
[#46]
Who the fuck ever got 6 tetanus shots?
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Posted: 10/21/2021 12:08:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who the fuck ever got 6 tetanus shots? I think I’ve have maybe 3-4 in my lifetime, usually only after an injury. I may have had 15-20 flu shots though. I imagine the Covid shots will end up being like the flu shots. Once per year, and less than 50% effective. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 3:55:35 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who the fuck ever got 6 tetanus shots? Also, pregnant women are now given a tetanus booster with every pregnancy. Because immunity to tetanus wanes over time. Kinda like COVID shots. So, plenty of people get 6 or more tetanus shots over their life time. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 4:03:59 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not with 6 shots. I've never had 6 shots of anything. I understand rabies is also a (very painful) multi-shot thing but I haven't had those either (thankfully). Even my son (born 1985) didn't go thru 6 shots. The schedule for children is several times as large as it was in the 80s and 90s. It's something like 30-50 shots before 5 If I remember correctly. |
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Posted: 10/21/2021 4:05:38 PM EDT
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I only wish you the best and I am honest 100%.
We have nothing against who make their choice - we just don't want a choice being imposed on us. Wife (and children, likely) can't get vaccinated - many serious risks for proven conditions. |
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