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Posted: 3/5/2006 8:25:01 PM EDT
The M16 rifles are more light,more accurate and more beautiful.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 8:30:02 PM EDT
Because we like all rifles that liberals say we can't own. The AK also will keep shooting no matter what abuse it receives.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 8:32:40 PM EDT
So many ways to reply to this post. None of them nice.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 8:38:36 PM EDT
Chinese should spend less time trying to be american, And keep some of their own beautiful culture..........

But hurry up , and ditch the communism................



love the food.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 8:40:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Morning_Wood:
So many ways to reply to this post. None of them nice.

+1
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 8:45:17 PM EDT
Tiengulden, if your profile is true, hope you enjoy this glimpse into America.

I have taken some of my Chinese customers shooting when they come to visit. Most seem to be fascinated by the AR.

I love my AR, but I'm really crazy about my AKs becaue they're interesting.

My other reasons are pretty much the same as those voiced here, backed up with "because we can".

Link Posted: 3/5/2006 8:53:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mak:
Because we like all rifles that liberals say we can't own. The AK also will keep shooting no matter what abuse it receives.



the M16 rifles need to be wipe and maintain often ?
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 8:59:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tiengulden:

Originally Posted By Mak:
Because we like all rifles that liberals say we can't own. The AK also will keep shooting no matter what abuse it receives.



the M16 rifles need to be wipe and maintain often ?



Yes and no.
It requires some PM, but it is just as durable as the AK.
They are suited to different armies.
The AR is suited to western style professional armies.
The AK is more suited to conscript armies (forced draft)
Both are excellent rifles.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 9:07:06 PM EDT

Because we can have both
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 9:29:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/5/2006 9:34:41 PM EDT by John44]

Originally Posted By tiengulden:
The M16 rifles are more light,more accurate and more beautiful.

btw the M1A is much more so on all but the weight. So get all 3!
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 9:46:22 PM EDT
There must be a hole in the filter somewhere...how is this guy accessing the site? I can't believe the government would want their citizens seeing how free this country is...
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 9:53:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gov-t_mule:
There must be a hole in the filter somewhere...how is this guy accessing the site? I can't believe the government would want their citizens seeing how free this country is...



You can access all sorts of things on the internet from China. It's not like Chinese citizens aren't allowed to leave their country and visit the US. They do it all the time. I've worked with folks from Shanghai and Beijing that would go back and forth from the US to China. China ain't North Korea or cold war era Romania.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 10:09:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gov-t_mule:
There must be a hole in the filter somewhere...how is this guy accessing the site? I can't believe the government would want their citizens seeing how free this country is...



The political and porn websites that from the US are all shield.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 10:12:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tiengulden:
The M16 rifles are more light,more accurate and more beutiful .




The M16 rifles are more light
If you are not a woosie this is not a problem.

more accurate
My Vepr does just as good if they both have the same quality of ammo as my AR

and more beutiful
I will take the Galil look any day

Oh I see you did not say M-16s are more reliable.
Because AKs are more reliable in general
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 10:27:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tiengulden:
The M16 rifles are more light,more accurate and more beautiful.



I love my old AR15, (looks like a M16A1) , but variety is the spice of life.

The AK47, AKM, AK-74 were all unavailable in this country, until about 20 years ago, some varieties just coming in the last few years. Rarity = Desirability.

No longer rare, they are reliable, rugged and simply fun to shoot, work on, and collect.

Its great that a citizen of China can view this website and discuss firearms.

Link Posted: 3/5/2006 10:30:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/5/2006 11:21:30 PM EDT by tiengulden]
www.gunsmokeenterprises.net/videos/GSEbroadbandVideo.wmv

How do you define "reliable" ?
I think "1,000 rounds consecutively = reliable"
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 10:31:39 PM EDT
To an extent I think there is a division between pure AK folks and pure AR folks at the end of the day they can sit around and have a friendly conversation, then there is everyone in between (myself included) that have come to understand that no one weapon can fit every need . Being versitle is key.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 10:36:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/5/2006 10:50:28 PM EDT by m-dc]
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 10:56:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tiengulden:
www.gunsmokeenterprises.net/videos/GSEbroadbandVideo.wmv

How do you define "reliable" ?



LOL his goal was to fire off 1,000 rounds consecutively. He DIDNT do it! oh but the FTF was the magazines fault?? awesome!!
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 11:00:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tiengulden:

Originally Posted By gov-t_mule:
There must be a hole in the filter somewhere...how is this guy accessing the site? I can't believe the government would want their citizens seeing how free this country is...



The political and porn websites that from the US are all shield.



That is funny considering the amount of politics that are part of gun ownership here.

Enjoy the site, I hope you can learn a few things, and as far as the AK vs AR debate, it will NEVER end. In the end, it is best to have both.
Link Posted: 3/5/2006 11:11:24 PM EDT
It's a free country, get whatever you like. As long as we're devoted to our country, it doesn't matter what weapon we like.

Being able to use an AK47 against countries that typically use them against us is an advantage. Don't let blind pride stop you from using something that works.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 6:00:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 6:23:19 AM EDT by 1979]
ETA: Why did they stop filming at the 250 round mark after he threw it in the water???? Then they said they were on 340 rounds. Not 250 like before. It makes you wonder if they grabbed a new gun. Because of jamming issues maybe?
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 6:07:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 6:17:33 AM EDT
Some of us like Ak's because they LOOK like a weapon, instead of an expensive toy. I like the rugged, threatening look of the Ak-47, versus the high-tech, fragile ambience of the AR-15.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 6:56:16 AM EDT
tiengulden,

Welcome to the site.

First: AK's are frequently more accurate than many people think they are. This is especially true when the AK is chambered in 5.56 Nato or 5.45x39.

Second: AR's are not always as accurate as people think they are. At least, not with military ammo.
Old_Painless posted a thread showing examples of this some time back. Now it's in the archives.

Third: With modern plastic furniture, the AK isn't as heavy as it once was.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:14:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Robert2011:
Because we can have both



+1 In true AR15 fashion: GET BOTH

Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:22:08 AM EDT


Welcome, to tha China Club!
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:35:07 AM EDT
Both are very good rifles. The AR is more accurate than an AK ( Generally ) . And the AK is no dout the most reliable rifle to get your hands on. The AR isn't bad though. Strenghts and weakness.. Apples and Oranges. WarDawg
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:50:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By gov-t_mule:
There must be a hole in the filter somewhere...how is this guy accessing the site? I can't believe the government would want their citizens seeing how free this country is...



It's called Freegate.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:25:18 AM EDT
AKs are also cheaper than AR-15s, well at least at the moment. You can get a pretty good AK for about half as much as the same quality AR-15 would cost.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 9:34:27 AM EDT
We like them because they're simple, dirt cheap and go bang every time. And yes, we do like to get both Why do you like the AK ?
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 10:47:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By tiengulden:
The M16 rifles are more light,more accurate and more beautiful.



Some of us like both:



Far as "beautiful", will give that to the AK:

Link Posted: 3/6/2006 10:54:21 AM EDT
AK's have been preferred over M16's since the M16 came out. Tha AK is much more rugged, alot more reliable under adverse conditions. It will take a licking and keep on ticking. Me personally i like both rifles and own several of both, but i prefer the AK. The AK is like me, Rugged, reliable and ugly and thats why the women love me Even back in vietnam most recon soldiers preferred the AK because they knew they could rely on it. McM

Link Posted: 3/6/2006 12:22:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tiengulden:

Originally Posted By gov-t_mule:
There must be a hole in the filter somewhere...how is this guy accessing the site? I can't believe the government would want their citizens seeing how free this country is...



The political and porn websites that from the US are all shield.



Damn no porn on the internet that's just wrong.

Welcome aboard.

Link Posted: 3/6/2006 12:38:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 12:40:40 PM EDT by Epsilon]
I dislike the AR15 because of the gas system and the damn buffer tube. And yes I have owned ARs.

If I could get an AR with a gas piston, and be done with permemant buffer tube without paying 800$ I would get one.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 1:09:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Shane333:
tiengulden,

Welcome to the site.

First: AK's are frequently more accurate than many people think they are. This is especially true when the AK is chambered in 5.56 Nato or 5.45x39.

Second: AR's are not always as accurate as people think they are. At least, not with military ammo.
Old_Painless posted a thread showing examples of this some time back. Now it's in the archives.

Third: With modern plastic furniture, the AK isn't as heavy as it once was.



Fourth, with all the heavy barrel nonsense, and the plethora of bolt on crap out there, the AR is not as light as it once was.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 1:24:48 PM EDT
The AK is like a good woman, the hotter you get it, the more pleasure it gives you.

For every round I put through my AR, I run 100 rounds through my AK, it's that fun to shoot.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 1:50:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By XM-15:
The AK is like a good woman, the hotter you get it, the more pleasure it gives you.

For every round I put through my AR, I run 100 rounds through my AK, it's that fun to shoot.



May I please use that in my sig line?
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 4:24:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 4:24:59 PM EDT by Bachelor_of_Science]

Originally Posted By oufree:

Originally Posted By Robert2011:
Because we can have both



+1 In true AR15 fashion: GET BOTH




By all means!



Link Posted: 3/6/2006 4:47:04 PM EDT
Ak's are evil . But I have plenty of Both
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 4:58:26 PM EDT
What he said!
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 4:58:51 PM EDT
I thought the reason recon used AK's in 'Nam was it confused the crap out of the enemy to be shot at with their own rifles. That "distinctive sound" and all.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 5:28:01 PM EDT
bachelor- YOu dont like grass too much huh??? atleast saturday mornings for you can be for shooting while I get stuck cutting my grass! LOL
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 5:42:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/6/2006 9:14:59 PM EDT by 89grand]
Cool ARFCOMers get both.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 5:54:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 6:07:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Shane333:

Originally Posted By XM-15:
The AK is like a good woman, the hotter you get it, the more pleasure it gives you.

For every round I put through my AR, I run 100 rounds through my AK, it's that fun to shoot.



May I please use that in my sig line?




Sure.
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 6:10:09 PM EDT
It depends on how young they are, if they know the full story about Tiananmen...

But if you have any idea, then you understand part of the reason we enjoy owning a variety of weapons. It must be said however, that a large portion of the populace has no such concerns about the proper role of government. We call them people + sheep = "sheeple".

Link Posted: 3/6/2006 6:16:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/6/2006 6:19:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motorcityman:
AK's have been preferred over M16's since the M16 came out. Tha AK is much more rugged, alot more reliable under adverse conditions. It will take a licking and keep on ticking. Me personally i like both rifles and own several of both, but i prefer the AK. The AK is like me, Rugged, reliable and ugly and thats why the women love me Even back in vietnam most recon soldiers preferred the AK because they knew they could rely on it. McM

www.tomah.com/lrrp_ranger/NamPhotos47/Okken20.JPG



That's one of the coolest pictures that I've seen posted on AR15.com.

I can't add much to the discussion that hasn't been said already, but here in the USA, a lot of gun owners will buy both.

They're both fine rifles. I like my AR's and AK's equally.

I'm a big fan of AK's chambered in the 5.45X39 caliber.

-Scott

Link Posted: 3/6/2006 6:26:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tiengulden:
The M16 rifles are more light,more accurate and more beautiful.





You know nothing!

Link Posted: 3/6/2006 7:52:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Lxpony:
bachelor- YOu dont like grass too much huh??? atleast saturday mornings for you can be for shooting while I get stuck cutting my grass! LOL



I've got plenty of grass, actually. Off to the left is a whole big patch of it. About 20'x50'. I live in Arizona, so grass is not of great interest. Water conservation is highly recommended, therefore we landscape with rock, brick, hearty plants, etc.
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