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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:02:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They're currently going after trusts. Now they're trying to go after pistol ARs? Was only a matter of time. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:02:24 PM EDT
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What do you mean? Lots of people know lots of stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Am I an idiot, or does no one know anything? What do you mean? Lots of people know lots of stuff. Particularly Pertaining to the matter of these changes. It seems like a moot change. I mean cutting the stock down on a gun built as a rifle is already illegal isnt it? thats why you need a virgin receiver to make a pistol griped shotgun or rifle. Once upon a time you could put a stock and legal length barrel onto pistol, but then it was a rifle and couldnt be converted back legally. It is good old fashioned mind fuckery in any event. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:03:24 PM EDT
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Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us. How is having to register an AR pistol with the ATF "Not a negative necessarily"? 
Sounds like a big fucking negative to me considering this is my next build... |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:04:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is having to register an AR pistol with the ATF "Not a negative necessarily"? Sounds like a big fucking negative to me considering this is my next build... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us. How is having to register an AR pistol with the ATF "Not a negative necessarily"? Sounds like a big fucking negative to me considering this is my next build... |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:06:18 PM EDT
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NO ONE AT THE ATF HAS SAID ANYTHING ABOUT AK OR AR PISTOLS Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us. How is having to register an AR pistol with the ATF "Not a negative necessarily"?
Sounds like a big fucking negative to me considering this is my next build... Did you not read the proposed law? They don't have to specify "AR" or "AK" ETA: added for clarification Omitted from the proposed regulation is the language: ‘‘any gun altered or converted to resemble a pistol.’’ This language mirrors the statutory provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(2) and (4) that refer to weapons made from a shotgun or rifle. The NFA adequately reflects the Department’s consistent position that a rifle or shotgun, altered to function as a smaller, pistol-like weapon, maintains its classification as a rifle or shotgun and will not be classified as a pistol. Therefore, the addition of this language into the proposed regulation is unnecessary. (Nolo's note: for now. The ATF appears to say this won't make an AR pistol an NFA firearm, but we all know this will probably be an incremental step) |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:08:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2005-04-07/pdf/05-6932.pdf#page=1 This is a 2005 proposed rule. Never implemented. It's being revived...... SUMMARY: The Department of Justice is proposing to amend the regulations relating to machine guns, destructive devices, and certain other firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to clarify the definition of the term ‘‘pistol’’ and to define more clearly exceptions to the ‘‘pistol’’ definition. The added language is necessary to clarify that certain weapons, including any weapon disguised to look like an item other than a firearm or any gun that fires more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the trigger, are not pistols and are classified as ‘‘any other weapon’’ under the NFA. Omitted from the proposed regulation is the language: ‘‘any gun altered or converted to resemble a pistol.’’ This language mirrors the statutory provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(2) and (4) that refer to weapons made from a shotgun or rifle. The NFA adequately reflects the Department’s consistent position that a rifle or shotgun, altered to function as a smaller, pistol-like weapon, maintains its classification as a rifle or shotgun and will not be classified as a pistol. Therefore, the addition of this language into the proposed regulation is unnecessary. (Nolo's note: for now. The ATF appears to say this won't make an AR pistol an NFA firearm, but we all know this will probably be an incremental step) http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201304&RIN=1140-AA23 |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:09:58 PM EDT
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Bunch of malicious assholes.
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:10:54 PM EDT
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The intent is to regulate "disguised" firearms and reclassify them under the NFA.
From the PDF: Accordingly, the proposed definition of ‘‘pistol’’ in section 479.11 would read as follows: (a) A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having— (1) A chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (2) A short fixed stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s). (b) The term shall not include any weapon disguised to look like an item other than a firearm, such as a pengun, wallet gun, belt buckle gun, pager gun or gadget device, or any gun that fires more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:11:04 PM EDT
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I KNOW THAT IS WAS NOT YOUR INTENTION BUT THE SHEEP HAVE PANICKED Quote HistoryQuoted:
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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2005-04-07/pdf/05-6932.pdf#page=1 This is a 2005 proposed rule. Never implemented. It's being revived...... SUMMARY: The Department of Justice is proposing to amend the regulations relating to machine guns, destructive devices, and certain other firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to clarify the definition of the term ‘‘pistol’’ and to define more clearly exceptions to the ‘‘pistol’’ definition. The added language is necessary to clarify that certain weapons, including any weapon disguised to look like an item other than a firearm or any gun that fires more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the trigger, are not pistols and are classified as ‘‘any other weapon’’ under the NFA. Omitted from the proposed regulation is the language: ‘‘any gun altered or converted to resemble a pistol.’’ This language mirrors the statutory provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(2) and (4) that refer to weapons made from a shotgun or rifle. The NFA adequately reflects the Department’s consistent position that a rifle or shotgun, altered to function as a smaller, pistol-like weapon, maintains its classification as a rifle or shotgun and will not be classified as a pistol. Therefore, the addition of this language into the proposed regulation is unnecessary. (Nolo's note: for now. The ATF appears to say this won't make an AR pistol an NFA firearm, but we all know this will probably be an incremental step) http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201304&RIN=1140-AA23 We are hardly "sheep" for being concerned about yet another infringement of our 2A rights. It is not exactly shocking to hear this may be a possibility. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:11:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did you not read the proposed law? They don't have to specify "AR" or "AK" ETA: added for clarification Omitted from the proposed regulation is the language: ‘‘any gun altered or converted to resemble a pistol.’’ This language mirrors the statutory provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(2) and (4) that refer to weapons made from a shotgun or rifle. The NFA adequately reflects the Department’s consistent position that a rifle or shotgun, altered to function as a smaller, pistol-like weapon, maintains its classification as a rifle or shotgun and will not be classified as a pistol. Therefore, the addition of this language into the proposed regulation is unnecessary. (Nolo's note: for now. The ATF appears to say this won't make an AR pistol an NFA firearm, but we all know this will probably be an incremental step) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? Not a negative necessarily, but it moves more guns to be under control of the NFA, which isn't good for us. How is having to register an AR pistol with the ATF "Not a negative necessarily"? Sounds like a big fucking negative to me considering this is my next build... Did you not read the proposed law? They don't have to specify "AR" or "AK" ETA: added for clarification Omitted from the proposed regulation is the language: ‘‘any gun altered or converted to resemble a pistol.’’ This language mirrors the statutory provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(2) and (4) that refer to weapons made from a shotgun or rifle. The NFA adequately reflects the Department’s consistent position that a rifle or shotgun, altered to function as a smaller, pistol-like weapon, maintains its classification as a rifle or shotgun and will not be classified as a pistol. Therefore, the addition of this language into the proposed regulation is unnecessary. (Nolo's note: for now. The ATF appears to say this won't make an AR pistol an NFA firearm, but we all know this will probably be an incremental step) I build them from a virgin receiver they are not converted or altered, they start life as a pistol, this is from 2005 and has not changed one bit. Under the Federal law there is no difference between a semi auto 1911 and an AR Pistol we make. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:12:03 PM EDT
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The only thing I want to hear from the ATF is that they are closing shop. Fuck the ATF. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:14:19 PM EDT
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The intent is to regulate "disguised" firearms and reclassify them under the NFA. From the PDF: Accordingly, the proposed definition of ‘‘pistol’’ in section 479.11 would read as follows: (a) A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having— (1) A chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (2) A short fixed stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s). (b) The term shall not include any weapon disguised to look like an item other than a firearm, such as a pengun, wallet gun, belt buckle gun, pager gun or gadget device, or any gun that fires more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. I had a stroke while reading that. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:14:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We are hardly "sheep" for being concerned about yet another infringement of our 2A rights. It is not exactly shocking to hear this may be a possibility. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2005-04-07/pdf/05-6932.pdf#page=1 This is a 2005 proposed rule. Never implemented. It's being revived...... SUMMARY: The Department of Justice is proposing to amend the regulations relating to machine guns, destructive devices, and certain other firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to clarify the definition of the term ‘‘pistol’’ and to define more clearly exceptions to the ‘‘pistol’’ definition. The added language is necessary to clarify that certain weapons, including any weapon disguised to look like an item other than a firearm or any gun that fires more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the trigger, are not pistols and are classified as ‘‘any other weapon’’ under the NFA. Omitted from the proposed regulation is the language: ‘‘any gun altered or converted to resemble a pistol.’’ This language mirrors the statutory provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(2) and (4) that refer to weapons made from a shotgun or rifle. The NFA adequately reflects the Department’s consistent position that a rifle or shotgun, altered to function as a smaller, pistol-like weapon, maintains its classification as a rifle or shotgun and will not be classified as a pistol. Therefore, the addition of this language into the proposed regulation is unnecessary. (Nolo's note: for now. The ATF appears to say this won't make an AR pistol an NFA firearm, but we all know this will probably be an incremental step) http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201304&RIN=1140-AA23 We are hardly "sheep" for being concerned about yet another infringement of our 2A rights. It is not exactly shocking to hear this may be a possibility. You want to panic and scream the sky is falling go ahead, that makes you sheeple. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:16:48 PM EDT
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The only thing I want to hear from the ATF is that they are closing shop. Fuck the ATF. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:16:55 PM EDT
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that hurt my public school head, I still want to know why a SBRs and Suppressors are NFA items. Bunch of Bull
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:22:14 PM EDT
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that hurt my public school head, I still want to know why a SBRs and Suppressors are NFA items. Bunch of Bull Because, citizen. Because. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:22:31 PM EDT
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What do you mean? Lots of people know lots of stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Am I an idiot, or does no one know anything? What do you mean? Lots of people know lots of stuff. however it seems the ATF has no clue. not to mention, they have larger fish to fry, why worry about this stuff |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:22:41 PM EDT
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Remember that they are trying to change the rules on trusts and corps. The back door is being used. When the changes are done with trusts, corps, and pistols/"short" shotguns. They will then try to get semi autos into nfa like Feinstein did with AWB. Those that don't bother with NFA need to per say and contact their reps and speak up in the ATF commenting periods.
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:27:03 PM EDT
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With the exception of a rubber stamping approvals office the ATF needs to be defunded and shut down just like Obamacare.
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:28:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember that they are trying to change the rules on trusts and corps. The back door is being used. When the changes are done with trusts, corps, and pistols/"short" shotguns. They will then try to get semi autos into nfa like Feinstein did with AWB. Those that don't bother with NFA need to per say and contact their reps and speak up in the ATF commenting periods. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:29:57 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 9/27/2013 7:49:47 PM EDT
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FATF |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:42:53 PM EDT
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This is apparently the result of a long-lingering butthurt suffered at the hands of Thompson-Center. That 'conversion' (ruling in TC's favor) took the 'no handgun from rifle' rule and divided it by zero.
And I'm not talking about 'Ber-ACK' when I say zero. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:44:15 PM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I guess your gun cane is no longer a pistol or something |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:50:11 PM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? This is NOT a pistol. 
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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:50:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. How can the ATF change federal law? Quoted: Start llc, get sot class 1, sell .001% shares of llc to friends that want to get cool class 3 stuff without a wait. What could go wrong? You would be importing for some reason. You might look at a C3 SOT instead. Quoted: Quoted: Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? This is NOT a pistol. http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5809/p1010036thumb8ps.jpg According to federal law it is. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:54:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:55:03 PM EDT
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I make firearms for a living I keep up on all laws and I am in touch with ATF legal and tech branch at least once a week.... So what's the whisperings on 41P? |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:01:17 PM EDT
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This is what happens when you have to ask the government for permission to do something.
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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:04:03 PM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? What's happening to the CLEO sign off? __________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform electronic bound book (original thread). PGP public key. «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:06:24 PM EDT
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The intent is to regulate "disguised" firearms and reclassify them under the NFA. From the PDF: Accordingly, the proposed definition of ‘‘pistol’’ in section 479.11 would read as follows: (a) A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having— (1) A chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (2) A short fixed stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s). (b) The term shall not include any weapon disguised to look like an item other than a firearm, such as a pengun, wallet gun, belt buckle gun, pager gun or gadget device, or any gun that fires more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. So... what if we designed a pistol upside down. Say it had a very small rod on the top for sights, along with the trigger, yet the mag was loaded upside down and the brass was ejected out the bottom? 
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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:09:17 PM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? This is NOT a pistol. http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5809/p1010036thumb8ps.jpg I took it to mean they are trying to stop stuff like this: 
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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:15:14 PM EDT
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What's happening to the CLEO sign off? __________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform electronic bound book (original thread). PGP public key. «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? What's happening to the CLEO sign off? __________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform electronic bound book (original thread). PGP public key. «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1536761_The_next_gun_grab__ATF_41P_targets_NFA_Trusts__moved_from_NRA_Activism_.html http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1523702_NFA_Trust_rule_change.html&page=1 |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:27:20 PM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? This is NOT a pistol. http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5809/p1010036thumb8ps.jpg Yeah it is! |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:34:28 PM EDT
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The intent is to regulate "disguised" firearms and reclassify them under the NFA. From the PDF: Accordingly, the proposed definition of ‘‘pistol’’ in section 479.11 would read as follows: (a) A weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having— (1) A chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (2) A short fixed stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s). (b) The term shall not include any weapon disguised to look like an item other than a firearm, such as a pengun, wallet gun, belt buckle gun, pager gun or gadget device, or any gun that fires more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. way to fucking go Aimless! |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:57:44 PM EDT
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I fucking hate those assholes.
this seems to be intended to move pistol AR's into NFA i hate them. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 10:27:28 PM EDT
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Guess I'll slap a pistol buffer tube on my stripped lower... In hopes of grandfathering
Fuckin A!!! I finally have a job where I can afford to save a lil bit here and there for NFA items... Sheriff won't sign off on Forms, "oh well, screw him, I have a trust..." I just can't win!!! 
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Posted: 9/27/2013 11:01:10 PM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? This is NOT a pistol. http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5809/p1010036thumb8ps.jpg Yeah it is! According to these new regulations it may not be any more. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 11:14:12 PM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? This is NOT a pistol. http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5809/p1010036thumb8ps.jpg 
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Posted: 9/27/2013 11:18:56 PM EDT
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According to these new regulations it may not be any more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? This is NOT a pistol. http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5809/p1010036thumb8ps.jpg Yeah it is! According to these new regulations it may not be any more. 
That is not a rifle. |
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Posted: 9/27/2013 11:32:55 PM EDT
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I hope they all get a terminal case crotch rot.
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Posted: 9/28/2013 12:38:01 AM EDT
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Guess I'll slap a pistol buffer tube on my stripped lower... In hopes of grandfathering
Fuckin A!!! I finally have a job where I can afford to save a lil bit here and there for NFA items... Sheriff won't sign off on Forms, "oh well, screw him, I have a trust..." I just can't win!!! Thats when you have a boating accident and "lose" all those NFA items. |
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Posted: 9/28/2013 12:42:30 AM EDT
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I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? I'm still trying to figure out exactly what this rule does. My thoughts are that they want to make ar/ak pistols NFA. Scorpion Types 
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Posted: 9/28/2013 4:44:17 AM EDT
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The only thing I want to hear from the ATF is that they are closing shop. Fuck the ATF. I like the way you think. 
ETA: I don't speak "legaleze", but anytime ATF does anything, it's for a reason - and ATF, by their very existence, deny US citizens their 2A Rights in some way, shape or form. That's their mission. |
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Posted: 9/28/2013 4:58:48 AM EDT
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The big question here is, is this an effort to put ALL semi autos under NFA, or is just to add language to clarify why you can use only a virgin reciever?
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Posted: 9/28/2013 5:02:52 AM EDT
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Remember that they are trying to change the rules on trusts and corps. The back door is being used. When the changes are done with trusts, corps, and pistols/"short" shotguns. They will then try to get semi autos into nfa like Feinstein did with AWB. Those that don't bother with NFA need to per say and contact their reps and speak up in the ATF commenting periods. He does have a Good point. By trying to block availability or access to NFA items, if semi autos can be thrown into that mix at a later point in time, they can have their cutoff AND registry. If you havent already, notify your reps of this bullshit and get it stopped before the butthurt flows. |
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Posted: 9/28/2013 5:04:46 AM EDT
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Dumb it down. Negative or positive step? This is NOT a pistol. http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/5809/p1010036thumb8ps.jpg Yeah it is! If it was built from a non virgin receiver it isnt! |
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Posted: 9/28/2013 5:31:38 AM EDT
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The big question here is, is this an effort to put ALL semi autos under NFA, or is just to add language to clarify why you can use only a virgin reciever? It is a SLOW effortto get all semis under nfa. Pistol stuff first. Trust/Corp change first. Then attempt AWB NFA feinstein style. It is as plain as day if anyone has been paying attention to this year's bullshit. |
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Posted: 9/28/2013 5:34:54 AM EDT
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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2005-04-07/pdf/05-6932.pdf#page=1 This is a 2005 proposed rule. Never implemented. It's being revived...... SUMMARY: The Department of Justice is proposing to amend the regulations relating to machine guns, destructive devices, and certain other firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA) for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) to clarify the definition of the term ‘‘pistol’’ and to define more clearly exceptions to the ‘‘pistol’’ definition. The added language is necessary to clarify that certain weapons, including any weapon disguised to look like an item other than a firearm or any gun that fires more than one shot without manual reloading by a single function of the trigger, are not pistols and are classified as ‘‘any other weapon’’ under the NFA. Omitted from the proposed regulation is the language: ‘‘any gun altered or converted to resemble a pistol.’’ This language mirrors the statutory provisions in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(2) and (4) that refer to weapons made from a shotgun or rifle. The NFA adequately reflects the Department’s consistent position that a rifle or shotgun, altered to function as a smaller, pistol-like weapon, maintains its classification as a rifle or shotgun and will not be classified as a pistol. Therefore, the addition of this language into the proposed regulation is unnecessary. (Nolo's note: for now. The ATF appears to say this won't make an AR pistol an NFA firearm, but we all know this will probably be an incremental step) http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgendaViewRule?pubId=201304&RIN=1140-AA23 We are hardly "sheep" for being concerned about yet another infringement of our 2A rights. It is not exactly shocking to hear this may be a possibility. "Listen 13er, I make firearms for a living I keep up on all laws and I am in touch with ATF legal and tech branch at least once a week, there is no infringement I can see or any changes of the law that states what a pistol is or is not. You want to panic and scream the sky is falling go ahead, that makes you sheeple." Really dude? Since I know how long you held your FFL and many other things. It's pretty ballsy statement for you to chastise anyone.....Thinking ATF Chief Counsel's Office and FTB are your friend, and you calling others sheeple??? I'd venture to say I have had more interaction with those groups than 99% of this entire forum. I have no information on what will happen or what they are attempting, but the track record is not a good indicator. |
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Posted: 9/28/2013 5:36:48 AM EDT
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On the surface it just looks like they are clarifying "Once a rifle, always a rifle", but on the other hand I can see them saying once you convert a pistol into a rifle, you can no longer turn it back into a pistol.
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