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Posted: 9/3/2010 7:31:20 PM EDT
I've always love the upscale look of their laptops, but I've never used one - only Apple products I have is their iPods.

Can I load my Windows XP software like Office 2010 or even games like Battlefield 2 etc.?

Please no bashing or turn it into PC vs Apple

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 7:34:27 PM EDT
i believe you will need the Mac version of MS Office
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 7:37:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2010 7:37:42 PM EDT by Penguin_101]
Originally Posted By djsmiles:
i believe you will need the Mac version of MS Office


This is correct.

ETA: Unless you're running XP on there.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 7:39:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By djsmiles:
i believe you will need the Mac version of MS Office

damn, because i bought Office 2010 for $20 from my company.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 7:39:47 PM EDT
Just use open office.

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Link Posted: 9/3/2010 7:39:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:

Originally Posted By djsmiles:
i believe you will need the Mac version of MS Office

damn, because i bought Office 2010 for $20 from my company.


You can bootcamp Windows 7 Pro 64bit.

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 7:44:20 PM EDT
If they were competitive to PC prices I wouldn't have anything bad to say. For a laptop that I only see as good for surfing the internet you don't need the extra hardware that they come with.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 7:56:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/3/2010 8:00:56 PM EDT by Flogger23m]
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
I've always love the upscale look of their laptops, but I've never used one - only Apple products I have is their iPods.

Can I load my Windows XP software like Office 2010 or even games like Battlefield 2 etc.?

Please no bashing or turn it into PC vs Apple

http://images.apple.com/macbookpro/images/overview-gallery3-20090828.png



If you plan on playing games, don't get an Apple.

Link Posted: 9/3/2010 7:58:55 PM EDT
I bought a MacBook pro 1 time and returned it 2 days later. I just wasn't happny with the product.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:02:49 PM EDT
On my 2nd Macbook Pro and no complaints. I've had other laptops over the years and haven't found any other brand I'd like to use more. I use Parallels for Windows XP so I can use my business applications and it works great.

They are usually more expensive than other laptops, but for me it's worth it. May not be the case for others (and for some reason they're usually very vocal about it).
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:08:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:

Originally Posted By djsmiles:
i believe you will need the Mac version of MS Office

damn, because i bought Office 2010 for $20 from my company.


You can also run parallels and in the ARFcom tradition get both. Mac OS X and XP simultaneously. I have both and much prefer my iMac, but I'm not a gamer.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:10:52 PM EDT
I almost got one a month ago, but in the end, couldn't pull the trigger due to the price difference. I got a Toshiba with similar specs for $605 out-the-door on a Best Buy special.

I've played with them quite a bit, and they are nice laptops. The build quality is very good, but when I realized I could literally buy it twice for the same price with Toshiba - I couldn't do it.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:12:11 PM EDT
I just bought my wife a 13" macbook pro. It's sweet. It's out third Apple laptop. Be sure to consider the Apple Care to go with it.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:13:31 PM EDT
Well, you're looking for an opinion so here is my take on it.

If you're going to use the computer for very specific software (final cut pro etc) that is OSX only and is related to video and audio production, then that's a good idea. Outside of that it's good for word processing and general office work. Yes, you can load Adobe's creative suite on there and develop all sorts of web based stuff, but it's a pain in the ass.

If you're going to develop software, play games, develop websites, work/troubleshoot with networks, use as a diagnostic tool, you should go with the PC. It's far more flexible and the price point is superior.

I use both platforms and I find that there are perks to both. If you want to get away from dickering, go with the Mac - but you'll lose your flexibility. Macs have very little expansion capability and they are locked down by Apple. The software selection is very minimal when compared to a Windows PC.

The Mac pro is an awesome computer for mobile media work, but you'll pay an arm and a leg for something that does not have the software support of a Windows box.

Just my take on it.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:16:23 PM EDT
My current MacBook Pro is nearly 4 years old(AppleCare expired last November, and I got some extra key caps put on at the Apple store right before that - and I installed a larger hard drive a few months ago myself. Not as easy as some other models, but not as bad as my old iBook G4 )... Wow... I think it's time for an upgrade, I really want to get one of the new unibody MBP's with the SD card slot.
Bootcamp or Parallels is all you need for Windows software. Well, and a copy of Windows to install. I haven't looked to see what's supported, but I doubt you would want to attempt any gaming in virtualization. And Bootcamp means partitioning the drive. Nothing too major, you can do that without wiping the drive these days - but it still seems like a PITA to do. So do it when you first setup the machine to make things easier
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:28:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
I've always love the upscale look of their laptops, but I've never used one - only Apple products I have is their iPods.

Can I load my Windows XP software like Office 2010 or even games like Battlefield 2 etc.?

Please no bashing or turn it into PC vs Apple

http://images.apple.com/macbookpro/images/overview-gallery3-20090828.png

Only get the Macbook Pro if you have a BMW, Audi or VW.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:31:36 PM EDT
most people who find that they dont like macs or a mac cant do what they want arent very tech savvy

theres nothing a windows machine can do that a mac cant. when you buy a mac you can set up bootcamp, so essentially you have a windows machine for gaming and whatever else you want.

and then you have OSX as well


bottom line you really cant go wrong with an apple product
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:31:41 PM EDT
once you go Mac you'll never go back!
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:39:13 PM EDT
On a Macbook now.....I wish I would have gone Pro
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:52:28 PM EDT
I just picked up a MBP, my first Apple computer after about thirty years of PC. I love it.

I run Windows 7 in Parallels when I need to use PC compatible software.

It's taken a bit of getting used to the different key commands, but I'm happy with it so far.

If you're really into computer gaming switching to Apple will be painful. if you primarily use your computer for Internet, email, editing and viewing pictures, and word processing, Mac will fit the bill for you. IMHO, YMMV.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 8:59:27 PM EDT
If you want to save a few bucks check out the refurb section of the apple store.
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 9:13:25 PM EDT
If you like osx, then do it.

O2010 will not run on it without bootcamp etc.

O2008 sucks massive dog nuts. Get apples suite or open office.

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Link Posted: 9/3/2010 9:13:50 PM EDT
I just bought my second Mac laptop last week and am typing on it right now. My first one was a 13 inch white macbook with a 2 GHZ intel CPU. It was flawless for 3.5 years. I upgraded to the current 13 inch macbook pro and it is a great laptop.

Yes, they are expensive but after what I went through with a Toshiba machine and an HP machine, I will never go back.

Patrick
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 9:14:57 PM EDT
Get the non-glare screen. Picked one up a week ago. So far so good.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 9:45:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By schizrade:
If you like osx, then do it.

O2010 will not run on it without bootcamp etc.

O2008 sucks massive dog nuts. Get apples suite or open office.

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You do realize Office 2010 for Mac is coming very soon, right?(jokes about MS products never coming out in the year in the title aside)
I just bought 2008, and you get a free upgrade to 2010 since it's coming so soon.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 10:14:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jrollins:

Originally Posted By schizrade:
If you like osx, then do it.

O2010 will not run on it without bootcamp etc.

O2008 sucks massive dog nuts. Get apples suite or open office.

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You do realize Office 2010 for Mac is coming very soon, right?(jokes about MS products never coming out in the year in the title aside)
I just bought 2008, and you get a free upgrade to 2010 since it's coming so soon.


Yes I do, and with all office releases for mac, I have nothing but lowered expectations.


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Link Posted: 9/3/2010 10:55:39 PM EDT
At work I was issued a macbook pro. I have gone through a few of them in the last 4 years. But we are very hard on them at my work. It usually takes something like being dropped from the top of a ladder, or getting a screw gun through the screen to kill them. Even with both of those examples we were able to recover the data.

They are fast, tend to have less annoying bugs and are usually very well built. In a way the lack of annoying bugs is what you are paying for. Since Macintosh only releases a few products each year they have a very controlled development cycle for hardware and software. This allows them to avoid a lot of hardware/software compatibility issues of the windows world.

Once you get used to the keyboard, quick keys and some of the quirks of the OS they are great. Keep in mind that I tend to use this with a work focus not gaming. You can get ms office for the macbook except visio if I remember correctly. I have a copy of COD and CIV for gaming on trips. Also windows can be installed on macs. The easiest windows install I have ever done in my life was done on a macbook pro because macintosh gives you all the device drivers you need during the install.
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 11:01:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By schizrade:
Yes I do, and with all office releases for mac, I have nothing but lowered expectations.

Well, I can hardly argue with that!
Link Posted: 9/3/2010 11:07:09 PM EDT
just bought a 15.4 3 weeks ago. Second mac I have ever owned and well worth the $$$
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:31:14 AM EDT
I'm with MacbookPro,MAC OS 10.5.8 + WinXP sp3, neat setup!
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:54:59 AM EDT
Yes, you can dual-boot both OS X and Windows (either XP or 7), but it would be madness to pay the Mac premium if you're mostly going to run Windows-only applications, like the games you listed.

No one has specifically mentioned this, but be aware that virtualization software such as Parallels or Virtualbox will NOT let you play Windows games on a Mac. For <insert long, boring technical explanation here> reasons, virtualization software is lousy at running 3D graphics applications, such as games. They run poorly under virtualization, or not at all. So you have to dual-boot with Windows if you want to play Windows games on a Mac. Which, again, means you might as well just buy a Windows notebook.

If you really have a hard-on about the Mac OS or some Mac-exclusive apps (of which there are very few worth mentioning, I sure can't think of any), go for it. Otherwise, you might as well get a Windows machine for half the price. The price difference will buy a lot of Windows software. It makes a lot more sense than paying out the nose for the OS X "experience," then installing Windows anyway.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 3:05:33 AM EDT
I run vm fusion virtual machine and run win7, 764byte and xp64 in addition to snow leopard. Oh I use office 10 64 bit too.
the biggest deffrence is my 17 macbook pro never hangs or stops. BTW all my desk tops are high speed water cooled dual and triple vga card windows machines.

I have had lots of window based lap tops my last one being a 17 toshiba but I will never buy another windows laptop
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 3:08:31 AM EDT
Originally Posted By digitalebola:
If you want to save a few bucks check out the refurb section of the apple store.
http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/specialdeals/mac?mco=OTY2ODY3Nw



Or you can check the EE.

Link Posted: 9/4/2010 3:19:19 AM EDT
Originally Posted By xLucidx:
most people who find that they dont like macs or a mac cant do what they want arent very tech savvy

theres nothing a windows machine can do that a mac cant. when you buy a mac you can set up bootcamp, so essentially you have a windows machine for gaming and whatever else you want.

and then you have OSX as well


bottom line you really cant go wrong with an apple product




Seriously? People who don't like macs are not tech savvy?

I think you've got that backwards
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 5:28:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jtb33:

Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
I've always love the upscale look of their laptops, but I've never used one - only Apple products I have is their iPods.

Can I load my Windows XP software like Office 2010 or even games like Battlefield 2 etc.?

Please no bashing or turn it into PC vs Apple

http://images.apple.com/macbookpro/images/overview-gallery3-20090828.png

Only get the Macbook Pro if you have a BMW, Audi or VW.



i've owned an Audi TT and now on my second BMW
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 5:32:35 AM EDT
seriously thanks for the advice guys, i use it making for a lot of MS Office work, web/porn surfing , but the no video games part might suck.

so is there a comparable PC laptop that's built nice and not 3 inches thick? How about a Sony Vaio?
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 7:21:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
seriously thanks for the advice guys, i use it making for a lot of MS Office work, web/porn surfing , but the no video games part might suck.

so is there a comparable PC laptop that's built nice and not 3 inches thick? How about a Sony Vaio?

Sony's are pretty thin, comparatively speaking, but not the best in reliability. I have an i7 15" Macbook Pro and like it enough. It has bootcamp (Win 7) and VMWare Fusion, and I've played games on it that aren't 3D intensive like Left4Dead2 without problems...
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 7:31:00 AM EDT
Only thing I can say I like about apples is there os.there hardware is over priced.

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Link Posted: 9/4/2010 9:54:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2010 9:56:10 AM EDT by PattyOSullivan]
Originally Posted By Zack3g:
Originally Posted By xLucidx:
most people who find that they dont like macs or a mac cant do what they want arent very tech savvy

theres nothing a windows machine can do that a mac cant. when you buy a mac you can set up bootcamp, so essentially you have a windows machine for gaming and whatever else you want.

and then you have OSX as well


bottom line you really cant go wrong with an apple product




Seriously? People who don't like macs are not tech savvy?



I think you've got that backwards



I have been building computers for 8 years or so...I guess I am not tech savvy. I have owned 2 macs and will continue buying them for the rest of my life.


Hey mac guys, what would you rather run, Bootcamp, Parallels or VMware. I need to put windows on my mac for school stuff (windows specific programs like Analyst Notebook 8, CADE, ACL, etc)

ETA: I read your post wrong. I thought you meant people who buy macs aren't tech savvy. Reading comprehension fail
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 11:12:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PattyOSullivan:

Hey mac guys, what would you rather run, Bootcamp, Parallels or VMware. I need to put windows on my mac for school stuff (windows specific programs like Analyst Notebook 8, CADE, ACL, etc)

Depends what you want to use Windows for... I run both Bootcamp and VMWare Fusion. Fusion is nice when hardware resources aren't critical and I need to test things since I can run several at once. Bootcamp is nice when I want to run Windows and devote as much RAM and processing power as I can to it.

I tried Parallels early on and dumped it for VMWare Fusion.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:08:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By jtb33:

Originally Posted By PattyOSullivan:

Hey mac guys, what would you rather run, Bootcamp, Parallels or VMware. I need to put windows on my mac for school stuff (windows specific programs like Analyst Notebook 8, CADE, ACL, etc)

Depends what you want to use Windows for... I run both Bootcamp and VMWare Fusion. Fusion is nice when hardware resources aren't critical and I need to test things since I can run several at once. Bootcamp is nice when I want to run Windows and devote as much RAM and processing power as I can to it.

I tried Parallels early on and dumped it for VMWare Fusion.


I've been using Parallels for a while now and it works fine for what I do. If I wasn't already used to Parallels I'd probably be using VMWare Fusion but it wasn't as good of an option when I had to decide.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:16:56 PM EDT
I picked up the 15.4 macbook pro yesterday and all i can say so far is its well worth it
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:25:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GWagner93:
I picked up the 15.4 macbook pro yesterday and all i can say so far is its well worth it

what the heck is a 15.4? you i thought it was 13, 15 and 17 inches?
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:31:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:

Originally Posted By GWagner93:
I picked up the 15.4 macbook pro yesterday and all i can say so far is its well worth it

what the heck is a 15.4? you i thought it was 13, 15 and 17 inches?


yes thats true it is 13, 15, and 17 but the actual length of the 15 is 15.4 if you look at the specs
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:31:37 PM EDT
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:

Originally Posted By GWagner93:
I picked up the 15.4 macbook pro yesterday and all i can say so far is its well worth it

what the heck is a 15.4? you i thought it was 13, 15 and 17 inches?


I got the 13 a few months ago, and I flipping love it.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:33:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
I've always love the upscale look of their laptops, but I've never used one - only Apple products I have is their iPods.

Can I load my Windows XP software like Office 2010 or even games like Battlefield 2 etc.?

Please no bashing or turn it into PC vs Apple

http://images.apple.com/macbookpro/images/overview-gallery3-20090828.png


Welcome to the Dark Side, buddy!

Yes, you can use your Office, but as already mentioned, you need to run Widoze through Boot Camp.

I LOVE my MacBook Pro.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:36:06 PM EDT
I would have gotten the 13 but I wanted a little bit bigger of a screen. the 15 is perfect size in my opinion. The 17 is overkill haha.. unless you have the dough
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:40:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2010 1:56:51 PM EDT by BallisticTip]
Get one you will like it, here is a cap of Win 7 running on my iMac.

Link Posted: 9/4/2010 1:48:46 PM EDT
Do it! You'll love your mac!
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:33:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By PattyOSullivan:
Originally Posted By Zack3g:
Originally Posted By xLucidx:
most people who find that they dont like macs or a mac cant do what they want arent very tech savvy

theres nothing a windows machine can do that a mac cant. when you buy a mac you can set up bootcamp, so essentially you have a windows machine for gaming and whatever else you want.

and then you have OSX as well


bottom line you really cant go wrong with an apple product




Seriously? People who don't like macs are not tech savvy?



I think you've got that backwards



I have been building computers for 8 years or so...I guess I am not tech savvy. I have owned 2 macs and will continue buying them for the rest of my life.


Hey mac guys, what would you rather run, Bootcamp, Parallels or VMware. I need to put windows on my mac for school stuff (windows specific programs like Analyst Notebook 8, CADE, ACL, etc)

ETA: I read your post wrong. I thought you meant people who buy macs aren't tech savvy. Reading comprehension fail


Personally, I like VMware. I haven't worked with Parallels for quite a while, but the VMware solution has binaries that install into the virtual machines to help them interface better at the hardware layer.
Link Posted: 9/4/2010 2:42:47 PM EDT
I got a MacBook pro, & i love it!! MS office for Mac.
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