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Posted: 10/11/2007 11:37:08 AM EST
Let us assume he gets the Republican Nomination.

Why is he more qualified than Hillary or Paul (face it he is the defacto Libertarian candidate) (the other 3rd parties are not worth mentioning), and what will he do that will make me better off.

Not what he is not going to do.

Not that he "omg he isn't hillaryz"

Why will his actions be better than hers? List things he will do that will benefit the me.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:39:10 AM EST
You shouldn't.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:39:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 11:40:13 AM EST by kill-9]

Originally Posted By Paveway_:
Let us assume he gets the Republican Nomination.

Why is he more qualified than Hillary or Paul (face it he is the defacto Libertarian candidate) (the other 3rd parties are not worth mentioning), and what will he do that will make me better off.

Not what he is not going to do.

Not that he "omg he isn't hillaryz"

Why will his actions be better than hers? List things he will do that will benefit the me.


For one, he and Congress will be of opposite parties, resulting in some amount of gridlock. If Hillary gets in while there is a Democratic majority in Congress, I expect they will call it a "mandate" and go all-out on a socialist agenda, including wide-ranging universal health care and significant tax increases.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:39:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By Redcap:
You shouldn't.


what he said.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:40:32 AM EST
It comes down to wether or not you want to vote the Republican party line or the Democratic party line. We're fucked either way.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:41:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By Redcap:
You shouldn't.


Shh....
I'm baiting...
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:41:05 AM EST
9/11... I mean, HE WAS THERE MAN. Ask him.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:42:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By Redcap:
You shouldn't.


Shh....
I'm baiting...


Oh shit! My bad.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:42:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By kill-9:

Originally Posted By Paveway_:
Let us assume he gets the Republican Nomination.

Why is he more qualified than Hillary or Paul (face it he is the defacto Libertarian candidate) (the other 3rd parties are not worth mentioning), and what will he do that will make me better off.

Not what he is not going to do.

Not that he "omg he isn't hillaryz"

Why will his actions be better than hers? List things he will do that will benefit the me.


For one, he and Congress will be of opposite parties, resulting in some amount of gridlock. If Hillary gets in while there is a Democratic majority in Congress, I expect they will call it a "mandate" and go all-out on a socialist agenda, including wide-ranging universal health care and significant tax increases.


Fail.

This is a "Not Hillary Arguement"

And you have no proof Congress will turn democratic. Typically the peridency is of the opposite party as congress - the way the American people like it.

Try again.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:42:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By schizrade:
9/11... I mean, HE WAS THERE MAN. Ask him.


Fail.

This is not something he WILL do that will benefit me.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:43:10 AM EST
Free market economics and strict constructionist judges.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:44:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 11:44:24 AM EST by NoVaGator]
he won't move to nationalize heath care, for starters.

We KNOW Clinton will attempt to.

Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:44:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By badfish274:
Free market economics and strict constructionist judges.


Leaving the markets be is an inaction, not an action. Thus he isn't doing anything.

Bullshit on appointing strict constructionist judges.

Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:45:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
he won't move to nationalize heath care, for starters.

We KNOW Clinton will attempt to.



Fail.

This is a "not Hillary" argument.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:46:50 AM EST
If nothing else, judges.

But I can mention, the war, taxes, Congress coattails, the cabinet, UN appoinments, ambassabors, etc.......
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:47:10 AM EST
Stop wasting time and just state your point.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:47:16 AM EST
Dude,

He's got great fashion sense.

FABULOUS!!











Kevin "Super!"
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:47:36 AM EST
For the same reason you should vote for Al Gore - he isn't Hillary.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:47:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/11/2007 11:48:24 AM EST by badfish274]

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By badfish274:
Free market economics and strict constructionist judges.


Leaving the markets be is an inaction, not an action. Thus he isn't doing anything.
And what sort of economics will hillary bring? You're voting for the economic ideology you agree with.


Bullshit on appointing strict constructionist judges.

He's said he'll appoint scalia and thomas-esque judges, and he's appointed judges in the past that havent been moonbats.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:47:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By sherrick13:
If nothing else, judges.

But I can mention, the war, taxes, Congress coattails, the cabinet, UN appoinments, ambassabors, etc.......


What about the war?

What about taxes?

What about the cabinet?

Bullshit on appointing acceptable judges.

And what about UN appointments?

Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:48:23 AM EST
It's a bit early for Rudy vs. Hillary.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:48:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Dude,

He's got great fashion sense.

FABULOUS!!

www.michaeltotten.com/archives/images/Rudy%20Giuliani.jpg

www.allreaders.com/pictures/rudy_guiliani_woman_dress.jpg

workgroups.cwrl.utexas.edu/visual/files/09.jpg

farm1.static.flickr.com/45/130284123_3c21c8565a.jpg

www.nypost.com/seven/03062007/photos/oped030a.jpg

Kevin "Super!"


well, it looks like we're gonna have someone wearing a dress in the white house, just not sure who.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:48:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By schizrade:
9/11... I mean, HE WAS THERE MAN. Ask him.


Fail.

This is not something he WILL do that will benefit me.




I was being facetious rtard.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:50:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By badfish274:

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By badfish274:
Free market economics and strict constructionist judges.


Leaving the markets be is an inaction, not an action. Thus he isn't doing anything.

And what sort of economics will hillary bring? You're voting for the economic ideology you agree with.

Bullshit on appointing strict constructionist judges.

He's said he'll appoint scalia and thomas-esque judges, and he's appointed judges in the past that havent been moonbats.




"Said"

"not being retarded" is hardly a glowing qualification for a job....his appointments are unsatisfactorily average and they come from a New York socialist background. This world view will carry over when selecting federal judges and all appointments will be in an effort to make the courts more like the "conservative" new york.

This is unsat.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:54:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By badfish274:

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By badfish274:
Free market economics and strict constructionist judges.


Leaving the markets be is an inaction, not an action. Thus he isn't doing anything.

And what sort of economics will hillary bring? You're voting for the economic ideology you agree with.

Bullshit on appointing strict constructionist judges.

He's said he'll appoint scalia and thomas-esque judges, and he's appointed judges in the past that havent been moonbats.




"Said"

"not being retarded" is hardly a glowing qualification for a job....his appointments are unsatisfactorily average and they come from a New York socialist background. This world view will carry over when selecting federal judges and all appointments will be in an effort to make the courts more like the "conservative" new york.

This is unsat.


You're just making excuses to justify your vote for hillary.

He's said he'll appoint strict constructionists and he's got a republican base that will lynch him he doesn't.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:55:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By badfish274:
Originally Posted By Paveway_:
You're just making excuses to justify your vote for hillary.

He's said he'll appoint strict constructionists and he's got a republican base that will lynch him he doesn't.


So I don't believe him. Any other reason I should vote for him?
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:57:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By badfish274:
Originally Posted By Paveway_:
You're just making excuses to justify your vote for hillary.

He's said he'll appoint strict constructionists and he's got a republican base that will lynch him he doesn't.


So I don't believe him. Any other reason I should vote for him?


You never finished off the economics question. Do you want to vote for a free market or for socialism?
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 11:59:48 AM EST
If there is one person you do not want as a president, it should be Hitlery.

Rudy isnt my choice, but if he gets the nod I will vote for him.

Dubya wasnt our favorite either. But, he is surrounded by a Republican cabinet, Sr Republican Congressmen, and MAJOR Republican power and lobbyists.

Would you rather have a so-so Rebublican president surrounded by other Republicans who we do like? Or.... would you rather have Hitlery surrounded by powerful and very influential DemocRatic congressmen, lobbyists, and a communist cabinet.

Pick your poison. At least you'll be able to recover from the Republican poison.

Think about it before you write in your vote for a person who can not win.

Link Posted: 10/11/2007 12:12:38 PM EST
He knows that we must fight to prevail.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 12:25:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By kill-9:

Originally Posted By Paveway_:
Let us assume he gets the Republican Nomination.

Why is he more qualified than Hillary or Paul (face it he is the defacto Libertarian candidate) (the other 3rd parties are not worth mentioning), and what will he do that will make me better off.

Not what he is not going to do.

Not that he "omg he isn't hillaryz"

Why will his actions be better than hers? List things he will do that will benefit the me.


For one, he and Congress will be of opposite parties, resulting in some amount of gridlock. If Hillary gets in while there is a Democratic majority in Congress, I expect they will call it a "mandate" and go all-out on a socialist agenda, including wide-ranging universal health care and significant tax increases.


Fail.

This is a "Not Hillary Arguement"

And you have no proof Congress will turn democratic. Typically the peridency is of the opposite party as congress - the way the American people like it.

Try again.



We have no proof congress will turn democratic? It already is democratic. You lose, try again. Also, all signs point to the democratic party picking up more seats. You lose again.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 12:27:21 PM EST
Because you really want a benevolent dictator...
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:14:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By sherrick13:
If nothing else, judges.

But I can mention, the war, taxes, Congress coattails, the cabinet, UN appoinments, ambassabors, etc.......


What about the war?

What about taxes?

What about the cabinet?

Bullshit on appointing acceptable judges.

And what about UN appointments?



All would be better off under Rudy than Hillary.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:16:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By badfish274:
Originally Posted By Paveway_:
You're just making excuses to justify your vote for hillary.

He's said he'll appoint strict constructionists and he's got a republican base that will lynch him he doesn't.


So I don't believe him. Any other reason I should vote for him?


You have to admit his tax policy would be better than Hillary's. If you don't than you just are being obstinate.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:16:56 PM EST
fuck rudy
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:17:22 PM EST

Originally Posted By Spongehead:

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By kill-9:

Originally Posted By Paveway_:
Let us assume he gets the Republican Nomination.

Why is he more qualified than Hillary or Paul (face it he is the defacto Libertarian candidate) (the other 3rd parties are not worth mentioning), and what will he do that will make me better off.

Not what he is not going to do.

Not that he "omg he isn't hillaryz"

Why will his actions be better than hers? List things he will do that will benefit the me.


For one, he and Congress will be of opposite parties, resulting in some amount of gridlock. If Hillary gets in while there is a Democratic majority in Congress, I expect they will call it a "mandate" and go all-out on a socialist agenda, including wide-ranging universal health care and significant tax increases.


Fail.

This is a "Not Hillary Arguement"

And you have no proof Congress will turn democratic. Typically the peridency is of the opposite party as congress - the way the American people like it.

Try again.



We have no proof congress will turn democratic? It already is democratic. You lose, try again. Also, all signs point to the democratic party picking up more seats. You lose again.


Historically in a totally open Pres race with no incumbants the winner has very large coattails. The party that wins in 08 will control Congress for at least 2.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:17:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By EternalVigilance:
fuck rudy


Agree.


But fuck Hillary more.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:22:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By badfish274:
Free market economics and strict constructionist judges.


Leaving the markets be is an inaction, not an action. Thus he isn't doing anything.

Bullshit on appointing strict constructionist judges.



Leaving the markets alone is what the president should be doing.

And appointing strict constructionist judges is something the president should be doing.

In fact, those two things are more important than gun control legislation.

Furthermore, most of the candidates lack executive (i.e., leadership) experience. On the R side Rudy and Mitt have it, on the D side Richardson has it (and Richardson won't be at the top of the D ticket in 2008).
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:24:27 PM EST
A vote for Giuliani is a vote for a "lesser evil". As long as we keep actively choosing a government that isn't quite as bad as the alternative, we will continue to have bad government.

Let the Republicans fail, and learn that they need to actually start representing the wishes of the average American. But if we keep propping them up, no matter what they do or say, they're just going to take our vote for granted and then try to out-Socialist each other to collect enough votes to go over the top.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:25:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:
Let us assume he gets the Republican Nomination.

Why is he more qualified than Hillary or Paul (face it he is the defacto Libertarian candidate) (the other 3rd parties are not worth mentioning), and what will he do that will make me better off.

Not what he is not going to do.

Not that he "omg he isn't hillaryz"

Why will his actions be better than hers? List things he will do that will benefit the me.


Ron is 100% unqualified due to his 1960s-era 'All we are saaa-ying... Is give peace a chance' foreign polcy...

Hillary is allready planning 750 billion in new welfare spending, and is likely to have her husband's foreign policy 'priorities' (no war for oil or to destroy Al Queda, but we'll go to war over a barren rockpile because someone over there is being 'mean' to someone else - in the name of the UN of course)...

IF, and I say IF Guliani becomes the nominee...

You vote for him because while not ideal, he is better than the other 2, and less likely to do damage.... Most of the major issues that we worry about (such as gun control) are able to be 'held down' by Congress... Note how much gun control made it out of Congress in the last 8 years...

If a Republican - even Rudy - wins in 08, he WILL improve our congressional position as well...

And the folks who *run* Congress with the GOP in charge are not RINOs (although some of their subordinates are)....

Finally, Rudy will continue the 'realignment' of the USSC....
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:26:05 PM EST
You should vote for rudy if you believe in civilian disarmament, infanticide, that good citizenship=total obedience to the state. If you have the soul of a slave, you should vote for rudy. If you think adolf hitler was just misunderstood, rudy is your man.

If you are not a conservative and believe that having the all mighty " R " behind your name means you can do no wrong, by all means vote for that facist prick. If you are big on sanctuary cities for illegals, as NYC was under rudy, vote for him and you can help make the entire country a sanctuary for illegals.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:26:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
he won't move to nationalize heath care, for starters.

We KNOW Clinton will attempt to.



Fail.

This is a "not Hillary" argument.


Not nationalizing healthcare is important. If it is nationalized things will get seriously fucked up. And not just for us--think of the poor Canadians who come to the US for prompt, quality healthcare. They will be screwed.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:27:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By RarestRX:
Dude,

He's got great fashion sense.

FABULOUS!!



workgroups.cwrl.utexas.edu/visual/files/09.jpg



Kevin "Super!"


I'm not sure; ill wait for I Like Legs to chime in.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:28:14 PM EST
he dosent have cankles...thats the only reason I could think of?
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:33:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By Chickenman33:
He knows that we must fight to prevail.


I will give you that, from everything I have heard him say he does intend to continue the war against islamofacism. But would his version of America be worth fighting for?

If you think the BATFE is a bunch of baby killing JBT now, wait untill they are given a free hand by our new fuhrer rudy. Remember the special antigun units the NYPD under rudy formed to " get guns off the streets " One such unit shot an unarmed man a metric buttload of times cause he had his wallet in his hand and they thought he had a gun, just wait untill the BATFE gets them some of that!
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:41:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By HOLGER_DANSKE:
he dosent have cankles...thats the only reason I could think of?


It's the best reason so far on this thread.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:45:54 PM EST
How many more of these same Giuliani/Clinton threads do we need? I'm really beginning to think some of you want a Clinton back in the White House. Actually it will be two President Clinton's back in the White House. How any of you can even stand the thought of that is beyond me.

If you can't figure out on your own why we as a nation would be better off with Giuliani as POTUS instead of Clinton or Obama I doubt anyone here could convince you.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:46:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By colklink:
If you think the BATFE is a bunch of baby killing JBT now,


Are they? I haven't heard of any problems since W was elected.


Originally Posted By colklink:
wait untill they are given a free hand by our new fuhrer rudy. Remember the special antigun units the NYPD under rudy formed to " get guns off the streets " One such unit shot an unarmed man a metric buttload of times cause he had his wallet in his hand and they thought he had a gun, just wait untill the BATFE gets them some of that!


It was the Street Crime Unit who shot Diallo, and they approached him because he looked like a serial rapist.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:54:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By colklink:

Originally Posted By Chickenman33:
He knows that we must fight to prevail.


I will give you that, from everything I have heard him say he does intend to continue the war against islamofacism. But would his version of America be worth fighting for?

If you think the BATFE is a bunch of baby killing JBT now, wait untill they are given a free hand by our new fuhrer rudy. Remember the special antigun units the NYPD under rudy formed to " get guns off the streets " One such unit shot an unarmed man a metric buttload of times cause he had his wallet in his hand and they thought he had a gun, just wait untill the BATFE gets them some of that!


Please spare us your Chicken Little "The Sky is Falling" BS. Would you prefer Hillary and Bill Clinton's version of America? I'm sure "but there is no difference" crowd will jump all over that after they consult their magic crystal ball.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:57:13 PM EST
so far, OP is the one who has the biggest pile of FAIL.

elections are choices

it's impossible to evaluate a candidate in a vacuum, because "nobody" will not be a choice on the ballot
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 1:58:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Hillary is allready planning 750 billion in new welfare spending, and is likely to have her husband's foreign policy 'priorities' (no war for oil or to destroy Al Queda, but we'll go to war over a barren rockpile because someone over there is being 'mean' to someone else - in the name of the UN of course)...

IF, and I say IF Guliani becomes the nominee...

You vote for him because while not ideal, he is better than the other 2, and less likely to do damage.... Most of the major issues that we worry about (such as gun control) are able to be 'held down' by Congress... Note how much gun control made it out of Congress in the last 8 years...

If a Republican - even Rudy - wins in 08, he WILL improve our congressional position as well...

And the folks who *run* Congress with the GOP in charge are not RINOs (although some of their subordinates are)....

Finally, Rudy will continue the 'realignment' of the USSC....


This is all you need to know. It will be repeated innumerable times and in different ways over the next 13 months (assuming Rudy gets the nomination), but this is essentially all you need to know for Rudy vs Hillary. All else is extraneous.
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 5:40:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By Paveway_:

Fail

That is a "I'm not hillary" arguement.

What is Rudy going to do for the country?

What ACTIONS is he going to take?


Well, one thing he will "do" is not "be" Hillary.

The current president had plans that were primarly domestic, events changed the course of things and he will be primarly known for his international actions. "No plan survise contact with the enemy" sort thing; Rudy's plans are not so much important as how he reacts to events.

Your demand to know Rudy's plan is silly; right now we are faced with several Republican candidate. Choose the one you like. Then, when the general comes around you will vote for the Republican candidate--if you are smart.

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