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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:29:43 AM EST
when prostitution is not?
If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera.

How would this excuse work?
"We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution."

I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:30:34 AM EST
First Amendment
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Because
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:31:12 AM EST
One of life's ironies. I have my theories, but it would piss people off.
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One of life's ironies. I have my theories, but it would piss people off.
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Do tell!
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Originally Posted By jherm77:
One of life's ironies. I have my theories, but it would piss people off.



Do tell!


I'm trying to enjoy my Saturday
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:32:46 AM EST
OP finally realized the Whoring Loophole.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:32:46 AM EST
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The reason it's not produced in most states is because it is technically prostitution. California and Florida just don't enforce that part of the law on the porn industry.

ETA: I should specify that I'm talking about the production i.e. paying someone to preform a sex act. Not the possession of a depiction of the act.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:34:06 AM EST
I believe that porn can only be filmed in CA due to a "loop hole" state laws though.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:34:39 AM EST
First Amendment would make sense, but making porn is illegal in most states (including most where it is made), and actually requires a permit in most places where it is legal.

The most accurate answer might be something like the "that's just the way it is" thought.
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
The reason it's not produced in most states is because it is technically prostitution. California and Florida just don't enforce that part of the law on the porn industry.
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Wrong.
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Wrong.
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
The reason it's not produced in most states is because it is technically prostitution. California and Florida just don't enforce that part of the law on the porn industry.


Wrong.

What is it then?
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I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.

It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops
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What is it then?
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Originally Posted By FrankDrebin:
Originally Posted By hauslp:
The reason it's not produced in most states is because it is technically prostitution. California and Florida just don't enforce that part of the law on the porn industry.


Wrong.

What is it then?


http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/12/colb.pornography/index.html
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:38:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas:
when prostitution is not?
If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera.

How would this excuse work?
"We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution."

I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money.
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I went to college with a guy in FL who does this. He hires girls for private films not sex. Been arrested twice and has no record.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:38:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas:
when prostitution is not?
If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera.

How would this excuse work?
"We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution."

I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money.
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I've often wondered the same thing. I never find out about the prostitution rings around here until they've already been busted
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Originally Posted By Tannim:
I went to college with a guy in FL who does this. She hire girls for private films not sex. Been arrested twice and has no record.
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Originally Posted By Tannim:
Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas:
when prostitution is not?
If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera.

How would this excuse work?
"We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution."

I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money.
I went to college with a guy in FL who does this. She hire girls for private films not sex. Been arrested twice and has no record.

Wait, guy in FL????????
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Originally Posted By hauslp:

Wait, guy in FL????????
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Originally Posted By Tannim:
Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas:
when prostitution is not?
If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera.

How would this excuse work?
"We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution."

I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money.
I went to college with a guy in FL who does this. She hire girls for private films not sex. Been arrested twice and has no record.

Wait, guy in FL????????
LOL, typo.
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Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.

It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops
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Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."
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Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.

It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops

Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."
Or various political types need "street cred" with the church going crowd.
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:

Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.

It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops

Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."


Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved.

But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:50:15 AM EST
There are some skirting the law by having their fans star in the film and the fan pays for the "production" costs.
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Or various political types need "street cred" with the church going crowd.
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Originally Posted By Tannim:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.

It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops

Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."
Or various political types need "street cred" with the church going crowd.


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$$$$ is why
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Paying a woman to have sex on video is different than paying a woman to just have sex.

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Originally Posted By 1911greg:


Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved.

But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome
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Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.

It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops

Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."


Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved.

But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome

I don't how having drugs legal would cause any of the things you just listed, or be a general problem, at all.

You think someone who is forced to skirt the law everydasy because they are a drug user cares about a littering ordinance?
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Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas:
when prostitution is not?
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Blame the Babtists.
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So if the whore talks to you while you do it, is that protected?
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interested?


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Originally Posted By 1911greg:


Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved.

But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome
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Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.

It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops

Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."


Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved.

But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome
AND. . . greasing the palms of the appropriate authorities. . . . that helps too. . .
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Originally Posted By FudgieGhost1:
AND. . . greasing the palms of the appropriate authorities. . . . that helps too. . .
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Originally Posted By FudgieGhost1:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.

It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops

Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."


Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved.

But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome
AND. . . greasing the palms of the appropriate authorities. . . . that helps too. . .
I THOUGHT THEY ALREADY HAD GREASY PALMS
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 1:24:17 PM EST
I've been saying for several years now someone should start a "porn star for a day" business. Provide the "studio," along with the female co-star and the camera. The customer pays for the role playing, not the sex.
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It's not legal to shoot porn movies in all states.

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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Paying a woman to have sex on video is different than paying a woman to just have sex.

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Or paying a woman to act in a film is not the same thing as paying a woman to have sex...think or all the stars who would be in jail if that wasn't true
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Originally Posted By FudgieGhost1:
AND. . . greasing the palms of the appropriate authorities. . . . that helps too. . .
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Originally Posted By FudgieGhost1:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.

It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops

Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."


Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved.

But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome
AND. . . greasing the palms of the appropriate authorities. . . . that helps too. . .

I suspect, and I won't pretend to know, that for the most part the authorities have better shit to do than shutting down a relatively quiet criminal enterprise when there are, ostensibly, no victims and no complainants.

Most politicians would just as soon not piss of the constituency that patronizes those places since that appears to be a significant number of otherwise law abiding folks.

Marvin Zindler spent a great deal of time and energy shutting down the "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" and nobody, today, gives a shit. They didn't really care back when it was running, either.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 1:26:59 PM EST
IMHO, legalizing prostitution would have a lot more positive effects than legalizing MJ.
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:

I suspect, and I won't pretend to know, that for the most part the authorities have better shit to do than shutting down a relatively quiet criminal enterprise when there are, ostensibly, no victims and no complainants.

Most politicians would just as soon not piss of the constituency that patronizes those places since that appears to be a significant number of otherwise law abiding folks.

Marvin Zindler spent a great deal of time and energy shutting down the "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" and nobody, today, gives a shit. They didn't really care back when it was running, either.
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Originally Posted By 1911greg:
Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.

It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops

Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."


Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved.

But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome
AND. . . greasing the palms of the appropriate authorities. . . . that helps too. . .

I suspect, and I won't pretend to know, that for the most part the authorities have better shit to do than shutting down a relatively quiet criminal enterprise when there are, ostensibly, no victims and no complainants.

Most politicians would just as soon not piss of the constituency that patronizes those places since that appears to be a significant number of otherwise law abiding folks.

Marvin Zindler spent a great deal of time and energy shutting down the "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" and nobody, today, gives a shit. They didn't really care back when it was running, either.
Whether they give a shit or not, if something is ostensibly illegal, you can bet there are those in power who are going to try to make some cash out of looking the other way. . .if you don't think so, there is a bridge over in Brooklyn that I think is for sale. . . .
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Because in pornography, one actor doesn't pay the other?
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The reason has nothing to do with the 1stAm. There may be a statute or case somewhere protecting porn in some state, but I doubt it. If you pay 2 people to have sex with each other while you watch, or pay a whore to screw your brother, you have violated the prostitution laws. If you pay either or both of 2 people to screw so you can film it, you commit the same crime. As to the inevitable claim that the 1st Am protects porn "actors" and directors from prosecution for prostitution, that "rule," if it existed, would mean that if you paid A to sell cocaine to B, and paid B to buy it so you could make a film of the transaction, all concerned would be immune from prosecution under the drug laws. They most assuredly would not enjoy such immunity.

It isn't that doing it for a film is legal, it is just that either no prosecutor has thought of bringing such a case, or none has thought it would be worthwhile.
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I was curious why it appeared than an abundance of pornography producers lived in Florida.

I figured because it was just such a laid back place
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Originally Posted By FudgieGhost1:
Whether they give a shit or not, if something is ostensibly illegal, you can bet there are those in power who are going to try to make some cash out of looking the other way. . .if you don't think so, there is a bridge over in Brooklyn that I think is for sale. . . .
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Originally Posted By HKUSP45C:
I suspect, and I won't pretend to know, that for the most part the authorities have better shit to do than shutting down a relatively quiet criminal enterprise when there are, ostensibly, no victims and no complainants.

Most politicians would just as soon not piss of the constituency that patronizes those places since that appears to be a significant number of otherwise law abiding folks.

Marvin Zindler spent a great deal of time and energy shutting down the "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" and nobody, today, gives a shit. They didn't really care back when it was running, either.
Whether they give a shit or not, if something is ostensibly illegal, you can bet there are those in power who are going to try to make some cash out of looking the other way. . .if you don't think so, there is a bridge over in Brooklyn that I think is for sale. . . .

I didn't mean to imply that graft, corruption and complicity were not a factor. I simply don't believe it's the root cause of most folks, even those tasked with law enforcement, not giving much of a shit, either way.
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1st off - all "actors" are paid by the film producer, not one of the other actors.

However some of the more successful actors now own production companies, and are incorporated, and in such case the pay would come from the casting director which could also be one of the participants. But being a registered corp. with a specified intent of publishing adult content for resale and the appropriate biz license it is easy to argue that any sexual contact in front of a complete film crew was not personal in nature.
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I've been saying for several years now someone should start a "porn star for a day" business. Provide the "studio," along with the female co-star and the camera. The customer pays for the role playing, not the sex.
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Great idea but in most states that allow pornography filming it requires a license and a health certificate for each "actor".
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 1:46:29 PM EST
That's why back in the old days - the 70s and 80s, but especially the 70s, porn flicks had to have some sort of stupid "plot." That way they could be portrayed as "art" - which they are - and enjoy protection under the 1st Amendment. These were the days when porn flicks used actual, talented actors like John Holmes, Seka, and Annette Haven.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 1:48:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By Redneck_in_Texas:
when prostitution is not?
If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera.

How would this excuse work?
"We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution."

I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money.
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prostitution is not illegal everywhere
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Originally Posted By 1911greg:


Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved.

But according to arfcom having alcohol legalized would be awesome
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Originally Posted By 1911greg:
I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.

It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops

Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.

I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."


Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved.

But according to arfcom having alcohol legalized would be awesome
why greg, i didnt know you were part of the Temperance movement.

how is its so many can be so blind to the fact that weve done this (prohibition) before already and it went very badly?
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Good question. I actually have to think about that for second.
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Or paying a woman to act in a film is not the same thing as paying a woman to have sex...think or all the stars who would be in jail if that wasn't true
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Originally Posted By bagofcrabs65:
Paying a woman to have sex on video is different than paying a woman to just have sex.


Or paying a woman to act in a film is not the same thing as paying a woman to have sex...think or all the stars who would be in jail if that wasn't true
Yep and there are main stream movies where a couple are doing everything but penetration, they gonna go after big time movie studios?
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