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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:30:34 AM EDT
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First Amendment
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:30:51 AM EDT
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Because
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:31:12 AM EDT
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One of life's ironies. I have my theories, but it would piss people off.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:31:51 AM EDT
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One of life's ironies. I have my theories, but it would piss people off. Do tell! |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:32:43 AM EDT
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One of life's ironies. I have my theories, but it would piss people off. Do tell!  I'm trying to enjoy my Saturday
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:32:46 AM EDT
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OP finally realized the Whoring Loophole.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:32:46 AM EDT
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The reason it's not produced in most states is because it is technically prostitution. California and Florida just don't enforce that part of the law on the porn industry.
ETA: I should specify that I'm talking about the production i.e. paying someone to preform a sex act. Not the possession of a depiction of the act. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:34:06 AM EDT
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I believe that porn can only be filmed in CA due to a "loop hole" state laws though.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:34:39 AM EDT
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First Amendment would make sense, but making porn is illegal in most states (including most where it is made), and actually requires a permit in most places where it is legal.
The most accurate answer might be something like the "that's just the way it is" thought. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:34:56 AM EDT
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The reason it's not produced in most states is because it is technically prostitution. California and Florida just don't enforce that part of the law on the porn industry. Wrong. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:36:34 AM EDT
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The reason it's not produced in most states is because it is technically prostitution. California and Florida just don't enforce that part of the law on the porn industry. Wrong. What is it then? |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:36:43 AM EDT
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when prostitution is not? If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera. How would this excuse work? "We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution." I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money. Lots of prostitution happens in the country. If you make it obvious, you'll get busted. Those who go at it with some sense typically do not get busted. Like any other type of crime, LE usually only catches the really stupid ones. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:37:36 AM EDT
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I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.
It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:38:37 AM EDT
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The reason it's not produced in most states is because it is technically prostitution. California and Florida just don't enforce that part of the law on the porn industry. Wrong. What is it then? http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/12/colb.pornography/index.html |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:38:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: when prostitution is not? If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera. How would this excuse work? "We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution." I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:38:52 AM EDT
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when prostitution is not? If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera. How would this excuse work? "We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution." I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money. I've often wondered the same thing. I never find out about the prostitution rings around here until they've already been busted 
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:41:00 AM EDT
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I went to college with a guy in FL who does this. She hire girls for private films not sex. Been arrested twice and has no record. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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when prostitution is not? If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera. How would this excuse work? "We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution." I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money. Wait, guy in FL????????
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:43:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, guy in FL???????? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: when prostitution is not? If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera. How would this excuse work? "We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution." I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money. Wait, guy in FL???????? |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:43:16 AM EDT
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I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine. It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:44:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine. It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:46:44 AM EDT
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Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine. It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved. But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome 
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:50:15 AM EDT
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There are some skirting the law by having their fans star in the film and the fan pays for the "production" costs.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:52:00 AM EDT
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Or various political types need "street cred" with the church going crowd. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine. It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." 
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:54:03 AM EDT
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$$$$ is why
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:54:14 AM EDT
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Paying a woman to have sex on video is different than paying a woman to just have sex.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:56:43 AM EDT
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Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved. But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine. It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved. But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome I don't how having drugs legal would cause any of the things you just listed, or be a general problem, at all. You think someone who is forced to skirt the law everydasy because they are a drug user cares about a littering ordinance? |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:10:58 PM EDT
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when prostitution is not? Blame the Babtists. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:17:16 PM EDT
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First Amendment So if the whore talks to you while you do it, is that protected? |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:18:32 PM EDT
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interested?
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:18:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved. But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine. It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved. But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome  |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:21:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AND. . . greasing the palms of the appropriate authorities. . . . that helps too. . . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine. It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved. But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:24:17 PM EDT
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I've been saying for several years now someone should start a "porn star for a day" business. Provide the "studio," along with the female co-star and the camera. The customer pays for the role playing, not the sex.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:24:34 PM EDT
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It's not legal to shoot porn movies in all states.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:24:45 PM EDT
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Paying a woman to have sex on video is different than paying a woman to just have sex. Or paying a woman to act in a film is not the same thing as paying a woman to have sex...think or all the stars who would be in jail if that wasn't true |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:26:38 PM EDT
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AND. . . greasing the palms of the appropriate authorities. . . . that helps too. . .
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I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine. It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved. But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome
I suspect, and I won't pretend to know, that for the most part the authorities have better shit to do than shutting down a relatively quiet criminal enterprise when there are, ostensibly, no victims and no complainants. Most politicians would just as soon not piss of the constituency that patronizes those places since that appears to be a significant number of otherwise law abiding folks. Marvin Zindler spent a great deal of time and energy shutting down the "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" and nobody, today, gives a shit. They didn't really care back when it was running, either. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:26:59 PM EDT
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IMHO, legalizing prostitution would have a lot more positive effects than legalizing MJ.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:29:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I suspect, and I won't pretend to know, that for the most part the authorities have better shit to do than shutting down a relatively quiet criminal enterprise when there are, ostensibly, no victims and no complainants. Most politicians would just as soon not piss of the constituency that patronizes those places since that appears to be a significant number of otherwise law abiding folks. Marvin Zindler spent a great deal of time and energy shutting down the "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" and nobody, today, gives a shit. They didn't really care back when it was running, either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine. It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved. But according to arfcom having all drugs legalized would be awesome I suspect, and I won't pretend to know, that for the most part the authorities have better shit to do than shutting down a relatively quiet criminal enterprise when there are, ostensibly, no victims and no complainants. Most politicians would just as soon not piss of the constituency that patronizes those places since that appears to be a significant number of otherwise law abiding folks. Marvin Zindler spent a great deal of time and energy shutting down the "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" and nobody, today, gives a shit. They didn't really care back when it was running, either. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:31:24 PM EDT
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They should both be legal.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:31:37 PM EDT
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Because in pornography, one actor doesn't pay the other?
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:32:28 PM EDT
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The reason has nothing to do with the 1stAm. There may be a statute or case somewhere protecting porn in some state, but I doubt it. If you pay 2 people to have sex with each other while you watch, or pay a whore to screw your brother, you have violated the prostitution laws. If you pay either or both of 2 people to screw so you can film it, you commit the same crime. As to the inevitable claim that the 1st Am protects porn "actors" and directors from prosecution for prostitution, that "rule," if it existed, would mean that if you paid A to sell cocaine to B, and paid B to buy it so you could make a film of the transaction, all concerned would be immune from prosecution under the drug laws. They most assuredly would not enjoy such immunity.
It isn't that doing it for a film is legal, it is just that either no prosecutor has thought of bringing such a case, or none has thought it would be worthwhile. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:34:02 PM EDT
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I was curious why it appeared than an abundance of pornography producers lived in Florida.
I figured because it was just such a laid back place
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:38:50 PM EDT
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Whether they give a shit or not, if something is ostensibly illegal, you can bet there are those in power who are going to try to make some cash out of looking the other way. . .if you don't think so, there is a bridge over in Brooklyn that I think is for sale. . . .
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I suspect, and I won't pretend to know, that for the most part the authorities have better shit to do than shutting down a relatively quiet criminal enterprise when there are, ostensibly, no victims and no complainants. Most politicians would just as soon not piss of the constituency that patronizes those places since that appears to be a significant number of otherwise law abiding folks. Marvin Zindler spent a great deal of time and energy shutting down the "Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" and nobody, today, gives a shit. They didn't really care back when it was running, either.
I didn't mean to imply that graft, corruption and complicity were not a factor. I simply don't believe it's the root cause of most folks, even those tasked with law enforcement, not giving much of a shit, either way. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:39:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:40:34 PM EDT
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1st off - all "actors" are paid by the film producer, not one of the other actors.
However some of the more successful actors now own production companies, and are incorporated, and in such case the pay would come from the casting director which could also be one of the participants. But being a registered corp. with a specified intent of publishing adult content for resale and the appropriate biz license it is easy to argue that any sexual contact in front of a complete film crew was not personal in nature. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:43:26 PM EDT
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I've been saying for several years now someone should start a "porn star for a day" business. Provide the "studio," along with the female co-star and the camera. The customer pays for the role playing, not the sex. Great idea but in most states that allow pornography filming it requires a license and a health certificate for each "actor". |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:46:29 PM EDT
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That's why back in the old days - the 70s and 80s, but especially the 70s, porn flicks had to have some sort of stupid "plot." That way they could be portrayed as "art" - which they are
 - and enjoy protection under the 1st Amendment. These were the days when porn flicks used actual, talented actors like John Holmes, Seka, and Annette Haven.
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:48:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: when prostitution is not? If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera. How would this excuse work? "We are making a pornographic movie. We are not engaged in prostitution." I mean, really. They both amount to the same thing. Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:49:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved. But according to arfcom having alcohol legalized would be awesome Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine. It's not the low key brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry. I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done." Exactly, when you start having shoot outs in the streets, used condoms on the sidewalk and syringes that's when the cops start getting involved. But according to arfcom having alcohol legalized would be awesome how is its so many can be so blind to the fact that weve done this (prohibition) before already and it went very badly? |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:51:31 PM EDT
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Good question. I actually have to think about that for second. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 2:51:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or paying a woman to act in a film is not the same thing as paying a woman to have sex...think or all the stars who would be in jail if that wasn't true Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Paying a woman to have sex on video is different than paying a woman to just have sex. Or paying a woman to act in a film is not the same thing as paying a woman to have sex...think or all the stars who would be in jail if that wasn't true |
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