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Link Posted: 10/26/2013 2:52:54 PM EDT
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Because in pornography, one actor doesn't pay the other?
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There are actors who own the film and are the whole company so they are paying the actors



 
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 2:53:00 PM EDT
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Pornographic Industrial Complex
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The reason it's not produced in most states is because it is technically prostitution. California and Florida just don't enforce that part of the law on the porn industry.


Wrong.

What is it then?


http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/08/12/colb.pornography/index.html


This is an example of very poor legal reasoning. The article gives this example:

"For clarification, let us take an example from another area of criminal law. Doug the drug-dealer sells Carl the customer eight ounces of marijuana. Both Doug and Carl are guilty of (different) criminal acts for having engaged in this illicit transaction. Assume that there is an audience for such transactions on reality television (all rights reserved). In anticipation of this audience, Fiona the filmmaker pays Doug and Carl to permit her to tape them carrying out their business.

Has Fiona done anything illegal? No, but neither has her First-Amendment-protected act of filming and distributing her recording altered the illegal character of Doug's and Carl's conduct. Doug and Carl may still be prosecuted for engaging in a drug transaction, despite the fact that Fiona may not be prosecuted for taping it or showing the tape."

It is true that Fiona may not be prosecuted for taping it or showing the tape. However, she may be prosecuted for Misprision of Felony where drug sales are felonious and the crime of Misprision exists. More relevantly, because she has arranged the drug transaction, she is a principal to both the sale and the purchase and can be prosecuted for both offenses.

The article's statement that "Because the impact of pornography occurs through the mediation of an audience witnessing a performance, rather than an audience receiving physical services from a performer, pornography and its making qualify as First-Amendment protected speech" is nonsense. Performer A is paid to have sex with B (prostitution) and B to have sex with A (prostitution). A non-obscene pornographic film is protected by the 1st Am. A crime inherent in making the protected film is not immunized. The conclusion, "If, however, both members of the couple are in it for the money, and there is a man with a camera taping them, then the sex is insulated by the Constitution from legal regulation" is simply false. If one sex partner is in it for the money, it's a crime; if both are in it for the money, it's still a crime. The cameraman makes no difference.

The legal opinion adverted to in the article is (a) wrong and (b) not binding on any court anywhere, including the court that issued it.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 3:01:50 PM EDT
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It is all about the money.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 3:02:42 PM EDT
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So if in some states it is illegal to make porn movies. What about when a husband and wife make their own movie. In a state where making porn is illegal?
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 3:05:37 PM EDT
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So if in some states it is illegal to make porn movies. What about when a husband and wife make their own movie. In a state where making porn is illegal?
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Would need said video evidence to determine guilt.

 
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 3:10:18 PM EDT
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Pornographic Industrial Complex
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The best darn industrial complex there is.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:14:21 PM EDT
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Whoring is legal in Nevada.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:17:51 PM EDT
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This.  There are only a couple of places in the country where it's legal to make porn, at least as a business.

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The reason it's not produced in most states is because it is technically prostitution. California and Florida just don't enforce that part of the law on the porn industry.

ETA: I should specify that I'm talking about the production i.e. paying someone to preform a sex act. Not the possession of a depiction of the act.
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Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:24:39 PM EDT
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Or various political types need "street cred" with the church going crowd.  
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I'm guessing its like anything else in life, don't draw attention to yourself, don't create problems and you will be fine.



It's not the low key  brothels getting shaken down its the crack whore walking the street screaming at people and getting beat up by her pimp that gets the attention of the cops


Same with most illegal enterprises. I know of a halfd dozen actual whorehouse, gambling dens and a few other "vice" type crimes that operate with apparent impunity because they, for the most part, don't attract enough attention from their neighbors to warrant an outcry.



I think, for the most part, the city is very much "live and let live" until someone complains or the criminals make it so obvious "something must be done."
Or various political types need "street cred" with the church going crowd.  
Or don't get their envelope for the month



 
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:25:25 PM EDT
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So if in some states it is illegal to make porn movies. What about when a husband and wife make their own movie. In a state where making porn is illegal?
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In some states it's illegal to film a girl naked but legal to have sex with her. Go figure.



 
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:26:31 PM EDT
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From 1967:

Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:26:52 PM EDT
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I believe that porn can only be filmed in CA due to a "loop hole" state laws though.
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but honestly we are the land of the free

you know

NFA and prostitution

man big brother sure knows how to ruin the party
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:28:42 PM EDT
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OP finally realized the Whoring Loophole.
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Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:28:49 PM EDT
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First post.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:40:57 PM EDT
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In porn, they sign a paper, or something.

Paperwork makes it legal.



Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:47:36 PM EDT
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define "pornography"



whatever definition is used it's subjective
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:47:54 PM EDT
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seems pretty simple: "i was not paying someone to have sex with me.  i was making a piece of artwork about sensuality between two people, and that obviously requires a second actor.  so i was paying someone to act the role."





can't be prosecuted for obscenity, because it was never exhibited.




can't be prosecuted for prostitution, because it is not illegal to pay an actor to depict a sexual act.
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EDIT:  Holy crap, fast topic.  Answered above in greater detail.





 
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when prostitution is not?
If I was looking for a whore, I would just carry around a video camera.  

How would this excuse work?
"We are making a pornographic movie.  We are not engaged in prostitution."

I mean, really.  They both amount to the same thing.  Both occupations require a person to commit sex acts with/on another person for money.
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It's from a combination of those who like to crank out as many laws as possible and those who just can't keep from trying to tell other people what to do.

Believe it or not, those two are actually different things.   The former just wants things to bust you for and doesn't really care what it is.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:58:42 PM EDT
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The real question is not why is porn legal, but prostitution is not.

The real question is why is prostitution illegal but formication is not? What difference does it make if I buy a girl an expensive dinner or jewelry because shell have sex with me or simply give her the cash I would have spent on those things?
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:59:28 PM EDT
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What I want to know is, if prostitution was legal, and Walmart got into the business of selling pussy, would all of their whores be from China?
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:01:06 PM EDT
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What I want to know is, if prostitution was legal, and Walmart got into the business of selling pussy, would all of their whores be from China?
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Made by kids in sweat shops.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:04:28 PM EDT
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Before I went to Afghanistan some fat woman who was somehow a senior NCO stood up in front of an infantry battalion and said that porn was not allowed in theater. This was reiterated several times. Cracked me up, I didn't take a laptop with a full hard drive plus a full external drive to play video games in my staggering amount of free time.

Also learned real quick to use software to convert my pr0n to mp4 so I could load it up on my iphone. There's just no way to be subtle about taking a laptop into a portashitter.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:05:07 PM EDT
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Even if you don't like the idea of prostitution you should want it legalized to protect the women who choose that path.  Safer for them, condoms could be made mandatory to reduce disease, it would keep it in a confined area, and would help reduce underage age sex workers.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:10:04 PM EDT
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Why do men pay for cam whores to get naked, but if you flash a gal for free on Omegle, she hangs up? It's a crazy, mixed up world.

 
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:15:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:24:34 PM EDT
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This is the icky side of conservatism;

If prostitution was legal to do, with the exception that it only be performed in a bordello with all employees remaining inside said building during the duration of their shift, it would make the streets cleaner, the practice safer for the people engaging in it, and the local and state govt could scrape a little off the top in taxes.

When you legislate morality, you don't keep people from doing anything, you simply criminalize the act and the actor.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:31:11 PM EDT
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The real question is not why is porn legal, but prostitution is not.



The real question is why is prostitution illegal but formication is not? What difference does it make if I buy a girl an expensive dinner or jewelry because shell have sex with me or simply give her the cash I would have spent on those things?
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Prostitution is illegal because women want to suppress the competition so they can get more for their services, i.e., marriage.



 
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:46:31 PM EDT
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seems pretty simple: "i was not paying someone to have sex with me.  i was making a piece of artwork about sensuality between two people, and that obviously requires a second actor.  so i was paying someone to act the role."


can't be prosecuted for obscenity, because it was never exhibited.

can't be prosecuted for prostitution, because it is not illegal to pay an actor to depict a sexual act.
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It is illegal to pay someone to engage in a sexual act. If the depiction did not involve actual sex, you'd be right.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:52:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/26/2013 5:54:40 PM EDT
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i believe making pornography is illegal in some places in the states just as prostitution is legal in other places in the states

go NV!
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 6:07:46 PM EDT
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Before I went to Afghanistan some fat woman who was somehow a senior NCO stood up in front of an infantry battalion and said that porn was not allowed in theater. This was reiterated several times. Cracked me up, I didn't take a laptop with a full hard drive plus a full external drive to play video games in my staggering amount of free time.

Also learned real quick to use software to convert my pr0n to mp4 so I could load it up on my iphone. There's just no way to be subtle about taking a laptop into a portashitter.
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More proof that those who are anti porn are unpatriotic.

Plus, this is another example of why the American citizenry trust the military more than the po-lice. The soldiery is comprised, for the most part, of normal, horny guys who like porn and want to kill the enemy. Cops, on the other hand, don't give a fuck about porn. You ARE the enemy. They just want to kill your dog and beat your ass in an effort to get on TV and then brag to their crooked buddies about it.
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Before I went to Afghanistan some fat woman who was somehow a senior NCO stood up in front of an infantry battalion and said that porn was not allowed in theater. This was reiterated several times. Cracked me up, I didn't take a laptop with a full hard drive plus a full external drive to play video games in my staggering amount of free time.



Also learned real quick to use software to convert my pr0n to mp4 so I could load it up on my iphone. There's just no way to be subtle about taking a laptop into a portashitter.
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iPhone didn't exist for me. Had to use my iPod.



 
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 6:48:07 PM EDT
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why not?

Link Posted: 10/26/2013 6:54:22 PM EDT
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Because Liberals need to control everything.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 6:55:21 PM EDT
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The real question is not why is porn legal, but prostitution is not.

The real question is why is prostitution illegal but formication is not? What difference does it make if I buy a girl an expensive dinner or jewelry because shell have sex with me or simply give her the cash I would have spent on those things?
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Probably something to do with not wanting a published market value on such things.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 6:56:33 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/26/2013 7:00:02 PM EDT
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I dont know OP, lets ask him.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 7:00:21 PM EDT
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you can't get teh syphs from pron.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 7:22:06 PM EDT
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The reason has nothing to do with the 1stAm. There may be a statute or case somewhere protecting porn in some state, but I doubt it. If you pay 2 people to have sex with each other while you watch, or pay a whore to screw your brother, you have violated the prostitution laws. If you pay either or both of 2 people to screw so you can film it, you commit the same crime. As to the inevitable claim that the 1st Am protects porn "actors" and directors from prosecution for prostitution, that "rule," if it existed, would mean that if you paid A to sell cocaine to B, and paid B to buy it so you could make a film of the transaction, all concerned would be immune from prosecution under the drug laws. They most assuredly would not enjoy such immunity.

It isn't that doing it for a film is legal, it is just that either no prosecutor has thought of bringing such a case, or none has thought it would be worthwhile.
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The underlying sex act is not criminal, being paid for it is what is prohibited.  The underlying drug transaction is a crime even if no money changes hands.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 7:22:13 PM EDT
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The real question is not why is porn legal, but prostitution is not.



The real question is why is prostitution illegal but formication is not? What difference does it make if I buy a girl an expensive dinner or jewelry because shell have sex with me or simply give her the cash I would have spent on those things?
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Guys been asking that question in one form or another for a long time



 
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Before I went to Afghanistan some fat woman who was somehow a senior NCO stood up in front of an infantry battalion and said that porn was not allowed in theater. This was reiterated several times. Cracked me up, I didn't take a laptop with a full hard drive plus a full external drive to play video games in my staggering amount of free time.



Also learned real quick to use software to convert my pr0n to mp4 so I could load it up on my iphone. There's just no way to be subtle about taking a laptop into a portashitter.
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Just the modern equivalent to as news paper, guilty mind made it seem dirty LOL



 
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Even if you don't like the idea of prostitution you should want it legalized to protect the women who choose that path.  Safer for them, condoms could be made mandatory to reduce disease, it would keep it in a confined area, and would help reduce underage age sex workers.
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How in the hell do you enforce the use of condoms?



 
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How in the hell do you enforce the use of condoms?
 
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Even if you don't like the idea of prostitution you should want it legalized to protect the women who choose that path.  Safer for them, condoms could be made mandatory to reduce disease, it would keep it in a confined area, and would help reduce underage age sex workers.
How in the hell do you enforce the use of condoms?
 


Same way you enforce standards on other businesses.  Inspections and laws.
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That's a rather idealized view of the consequences of legalized prostitution.



The bad actors in the prostitution game won't turn into good boys once legalization happens...and they won't necessarily be run out of business by legal prostitutes.



I'd be fine with legalizing it, but let's not kid ourselves about what the impacts will be. Things would improve for some...but stay largely the same for others. C'est la vie.
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Even if you don't like the idea of prostitution you should want it legalized to protect the women who choose that path.  Safer for them, condoms could be made mandatory to reduce disease, it would keep it in a confined area, and would help reduce underage age sex workers.




That's a rather idealized view of the consequences of legalized prostitution.



The bad actors in the prostitution game won't turn into good boys once legalization happens...and they won't necessarily be run out of business by legal prostitutes.



I'd be fine with legalizing it, but let's not kid ourselves about what the impacts will be. Things would improve for some...but stay largely the same for others. C'est la vie.
Didn't you hear, pimps will just quit and get jobs at McDonalds?



 
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 7:28:10 PM EDT
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Same way you enforce standards on other businesses.  Inspections and laws.
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Even if you don't like the idea of prostitution you should want it legalized to protect the women who choose that path.  Safer for them, condoms could be made mandatory to reduce disease, it would keep it in a confined area, and would help reduce underage age sex workers.
How in the hell do you enforce the use of condoms?

 




Same way you enforce standards on other businesses.  Inspections and laws.
Inspections while the act is going on huh?

Laws don't work unless the parties are law abiding to begin with.



 
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The underlying sex act is not criminal, being paid for it is what is prohibited.  The underlying drug transaction is a crime even if no money changes hands.
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The reason has nothing to do with the 1stAm. There may be a statute or case somewhere protecting porn in some state, but I doubt it. If you pay 2 people to have sex with each other while you watch, or pay a whore to screw your brother, you have violated the prostitution laws. If you pay either or both of 2 people to screw so you can film it, you commit the same crime. As to the inevitable claim that the 1st Am protects porn "actors" and directors from prosecution for prostitution, that "rule," if it existed, would mean that if you paid A to sell cocaine to B, and paid B to buy it so you could make a film of the transaction, all concerned would be immune from prosecution under the drug laws. They most assuredly would not enjoy such immunity.

It isn't that doing it for a film is legal, it is just that either no prosecutor has thought of bringing such a case, or none has thought it would be worthwhile.


The underlying sex act is not criminal, being paid for it is what is prohibited.  The underlying drug transaction is a crime even if no money changes hands.


Correct, but so what? It is illegal for you to pay a whore for me. It is illegal for you to pay two whores to put on a show for you. It is illegal for you to pay a man and a woman to have sex for your amusement. They are all acts of prostitution.Each of the people paid to engage in sex is guilty of prostitution and the person paying them is guilty of prostitution as a principal and/or of procurement.  Filming the acts doesn't change that.
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