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Posted: 10/3/2005 12:12:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/11/2005 11:59:20 AM EDT by RABIDFOX50]
Because it attracts some real asshats wanting something for nothing and will do anything to screw you.

My wife put a DDR memory module (NIB DDR400 512mb kit) on to sell. It sold for 41.00 and she shipped it out 4 days later. The guys sends a nasty email stating the memory was damaged and not what was described. He went on to claim "vengence" (his words) and contact the state att. office and the local PD to file "criminal" charges of fraud. I emailed him back informing there were no warrantys expressed or implied and that he should go to the manufacturer. He sends several more threat emails and gets down right slanderous. I told my wife to just refund the $$$ and get the items back. The guy went through Paypal dispute res. and we refunded through them. He then send email stating he wants the $$$ submitted directly to him and to go around Paypal policy. Had we done that the guys could have kept both the $$$ and the memory (which prob. works). He said "If you do not refund directly, I will have the local PD arrest you on fraud charges and get the St. Att. office on you.
Well, a quick call to a buddy of mine in PD put me with the detective in charge of internet fraud at the PD. After explaining the situation, he laughed for about ten seconds and said "If you sent him a box of rocks and not the item there still is no way he can get the PD or SA office after me. Maybe in his clouded mind.

Anyway I have barred my wife from using ebay or Paypal and as soon this is resolved I am canceling both. Asshat needs to send back our items and Paypal will refund his $$$. Last time I deal with this crap. Anyone else have a ebay horror story????

UPDATE 10-11-05... Well, looks like PAYPAL released the refund and I got the item a day later. The PC memory works just fine so I still think I was being scammed. Lucky for me I got the items back.
When I logged onto the net a few minutes ago I noticed a funny thing. An email from PAYPAL stating that they reviewed the case and awarded me a credit for the refund. WOW! Got my items back and was credited back. They said due to my good rep with them and the questionable actions of the buyer, they decided to award my monet back. Oh, well.
Now the buyer is real pissed and emailing me. I have deleted all emails he send without reading them. PAYPAL made a ruling and I have washed my hands of it. Loks like PAYPAL did good by me for once. I still hate them for the anti gun policy though.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:16:17 PM EDT
I never have and never will buy anything on Ebay.   Sorry about the problems you had
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:16:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RABIDFOX50:
Because it attracts some real asshats wanting something for nothing and will do anything to screw you.

My wife put a DDR memory module (NIB DDR400 512mb kit) on to sell. It sold for 41.00 and she shipped it out 4 days later. The guys sends a nasty email stating the memory was damaged and not what was described. He went on to claim "vengence" (his words) and contact the state att. office and the local PD to file "criminal" charges of fraud. I emailed him back informing there were no warrantys expressed or implied and that he should go to the manufacturer. He sends several more threat emails and gets down right slanderous. I told my wife to just refund the $$$ and get the items back. The guy went through Paypal dispute res. and we refunded through them. He then send email stating he wants the $$$ submitted directly to him and to go around Paypal policy. Had we done that the guys could have kept both the $$$ and the memory (which prob. works). He said "If you do not refund directly, I will have the local PD arrest you on fraud charges and get the St. Att. office on you.
Well, a quick call to a buddy of mine in PD put me with the detective in charge of internet fraud at the PD. After explaining the situation, he laughed for about ten seconds and said "If you sent him a box of rocks and not the item there still is no way he can get the PD or SA office after me. Maybe in his clouded mind.

Anyway I have barred my wife from using ebay or Paypal and as soon this is resolved I am canceling both. Asshat needs to send back our items and Paypal will refund his $$$. Last time I deal with this crap. Anyone else have a ebay horror story????




Don't get me started.

The buyers from hell are all over Ebay. Been there, done that.

The ones I like (not) are the ones who do NOT read the terms and then BITCH when you do what you say you will do.

Ebay sucks.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:26:48 PM EDT
Don't worry about it, unless he threatens to get the clique mob and the govenor after you, they are the only ones professional enough to handle this situation.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:28:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cruze5:
I never have and never will buy anything on Ebay.   Sorry about the problems you had



+1
I only use ARFCOM EE.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:28:57 PM EDT
The ones that threaten to call the Police are usually the scammers here. Dont return anything unless the item is returned, otherwise, I promise you'll be sorry.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:29:17 PM EDT
should of offered refund contingent on return of memory chip.  Anyway, please IM his id so I can add him to my blocked bidder list.   My worse ebay story:  I had a couple non paying bidders.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:29:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
should of offered refund contingent on return of memory chip.  Anyway, please IM his id so I can add him to my blocked bidder list.   My worse ebay story:  I had a couple non paying bidders.



+1.

Or just post it here......
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:31:04 PM EDT
Did he by any chance threaten to "dead you"?
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:32:15 PM EDT
Did he say he was going to get the "GOVERNOR" or the "Clique Mob" after you?
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:33:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2005 12:34:42 PM EDT by TheCynic]
You're right!

We should shut down the EE, too. After all, people have
been screwed here as well.

Caveat Emptor (or Venditor, in your case)  
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:38:38 PM EDT
fuck em (ebay/paypal)

I cancelled my account and don't mess with them.
It was only so long before the integrity of the site was exploited.

Fuck Ebay.  I've been burned a few times myself and finally just stopped using it.


OTOH
I've never had a deal go bad on this board.  I've traded parts worth several hundreds of dollars all based on the honor system and good faith of the members here.  I've never been disappointed or screwed over once.  
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:40:13 PM EDT
I thought I'd heard where Google was going to take them on and create their own auction-type site.  They'd severely damage eBay with all the bad will that eBay's caused over the years.

HH
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:40:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:42:16 PM EDT
You're gonna get that anywhere.  There is no open forum in this world to sell something that won't attract a con artist.  Will paypal hold off any payment to him until you return the chip?
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:42:48 PM EDT
and Ebay wont let you sell AR stuff there. GRRRRR  >:-(
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:52:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2005 12:52:35 PM EDT by Gloftoe]
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:53:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlowStuffUp:
and Ebay wont let you sell AR stuff there. GRRRRR  >:-(



No shit. I tried to sell a f-ing sling for an AR/M16 and they took it down. Come on you ass-hats, it's nylon webbing and a plastic buckle! Anyway, I sold it on the EE.

Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:55:19 PM EDT
So Ebay should be destroyed because you had a bad buyer incident?

Should ar15.com be destroyed after all the group buys that have gone bad?
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:57:36 PM EDT
So I put 3 Dishnetwork receivers on Ebay. They sell on a Friday, I print out the shipping label,and plan to take to the post office on Monday morning. Which is well within Ebays shipping time frame. Well Sunday i get an email from this joker saying he better have the receivers by Monday or else. I respond (first mistake was not using ebay to reply, as my ebay email addy is my email at work, Air Force contractor) and tell him they are being shipped priority mail Monday morning. This does not satisfy the prick, he emails me back and says he better get a refund within three hours of this email, or I will call the wing commander, jag office, anyone to tell them that you are ripping people off on ebay. i email back and say okay, i will refund your money. I have my paypal account setup, so that whenever i receive a payment, it transfers straight to my checking account. So I submit the refund, paypal tells me it will take 3-4 business days to process the funds back from my checking. Monday morning this prick has called everyone on base including my boss. At this point, i am super pissed. I resolve everything with the people here, my boss says if he calls again, we will sick thee company lawyers on him. Anyway, he does call again, I tell him to quit calling or he will get a phone call from the lawyers. I continued to receive hateful BS voicemails on my cell phone(gave him that number if he wanted to do some more bitching. Anyhow, watch what you do on ebay, there are some lowlifes out there. This punk lives with his mom, and has ripped alot people off with his so called online video game store. Sorry just had to vent. My first mistake was linking my ebay account to my work email. live and learn i guess.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:59:22 PM EDT
Y'all can sell your gun related stuff on Ebang.com

Am I the only one that thinks Ebang sounds like a porn sight?
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 12:59:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Quantum77:

Originally Posted By BlowStuffUp:
and Ebay wont let you sell AR stuff there. GRRRRR  >:-(



No shit. I tried to sell a f-ing sling for an AR/M16 and they took it down. Come on you ass-hats, it's nylon webbing and a plastic buckle! Anyway, I sold it on the EE.




OMG i know. i tried to sell some USGI m16 mag pouches there thinking they wouldnt have a problem with it since its just a pouch but they still ended my auction.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 1:00:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 1:02:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2005 1:02:47 PM EDT by skid2964]

Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM:
Did he say he was going to get the "GOVERNOR" or the "Clique Mob" after you?



He sold them the memory stick of dead ...

It works only in Anus laptops ...
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 1:03:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mantis_51:
Don't worry about it, unless he threatens to get the clique mob and the govenor after you, they are the only ones professional enough to handle this situation.





LOL
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 1:06:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FOX-:
Y'all can sell your gun related stuff on Ebang.com

Am I the only one that thinks Ebang sounds like a porn sight?

I think so too.  Anyway, I've bought holsters and slings on EBay.  Are they not gun stuff?
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 1:08:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 1:57:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
I thought I'd heard where Google was going to take them on and create their own auction-type site.  They'd severely damage eBay with all the bad will that eBay's caused over the years.

HH



Oh I hope so, that'd be sweet....
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 2:35:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By crashburnrepeat:

Originally Posted By HoustonHusker:
I thought I'd heard where Google was going to take them on and create their own auction-type site.  They'd severely damage eBay with all the bad will that eBay's caused over the years.

HH



Oh I hope so, that'd be sweet....



Heres to hoping it happens!
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 2:39:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mayday:
The ones that threaten to call the Police are usually the scammers here. Dont return anything unless the item is returned, otherwise, I promise you'll be sorry.



Well it's in Paypal's hands now. They will not release funds to him until I get the item. That is not to say IF he sends the items back that they will not be in PIECES. He emailed me again threatening to call local PD. I called them after I got the email again and the detective said not to worry about it. The Detective knows I'm LEO and we have mutual friends in the S.O. I work for. It's not a problem. I'm currently blocking him from emailing me. I don't want my wife getting upset over this. She is with child and is already freaking out over other stuff!
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 2:40:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 2:40:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
should of offered refund contingent on return of memory chip.  Anyway, please IM his id so I can add him to my blocked bidder list.   My worse ebay story:  I had a couple non paying bidders.




Already did!
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 2:41:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By John Parker:
Did he by any chance threaten to "dead you"?



Not realy. More like making life hell and that sort of thing.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 2:43:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM:
Did he say he was going to get the "GOVERNOR" or the "Clique Mob" after you?



Ol Jeb don't go there down here. Over a $41.00 transaction for an item that was NIB with no warranty? Hell the local PD laughed at ME when I told them the story. A snowball rolling through hell was the picture I got in my head....
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 2:45:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/3/2005 2:46:12 PM EDT by jrzy]

Originally Posted By David_Hineline:
I have no problems with Ebay, if the guy goes nuts, who cares, let him waste his time, just ignore them and sell more items.  No one other than him is going to listen to his crap for $40.  Give him a nutcase feedback as a bad buyer and move on with your life.



And what ever you do don't let dave help you with bad ebayer resolution  LOL
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 2:45:58 PM EDT
Just tell him to fuck off.  If he wants his money back to send your module back.  Tell him to call all the people he wants.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 2:50:32 PM EDT
I got my AR upper reciever, charging handle, and bolt on ebay.  
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 3:01:25 PM EDT
I've bought and sold TONS of stuff on EBay.  If you don't like it, don't use it.  I do insist on Money Orders only though.  Can't charge me back and keep the goods and you can't get my accounts frozen for simply trying to steal.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 3:05:12 PM EDT
Here's the latest situation I dealt with on eBay.  I sold a Sony home theater receiver, only to not hear anything from the buyer for two weeks following the close of the auction.  I filed a dispute with eBay, and finally hear something from the buyer over a week later.  I finally received payment 31 days after the end of the auction.  So, I contacted the member and told them that I would ship the item with the same urgency as which payment was sent.  

So, 31 days later I shipped the receiver!
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 3:06:14 PM EDT
Ive lost a full thousand dollars on that fucking site.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 3:10:59 PM EDT
I've done right around a quarter million dollars in ebay sales with very little problem. Of course you get the occasional buyer who isn't going to be satisfied no matter what you do, but that's just life. Out of all those transactions I've had maybe 6 problems with non paying bidders or psychopaths, with non paying bidders being the majority.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 3:54:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 4:18:20 PM EDT
Guns should be destroyed...

...because some real asshats use guns to hurt people.

Actually, I hate Ebay and Paypal too.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 4:26:38 PM EDT
FYI,  you can block certain bidders or types of bidders from bidding on your auctions.

Goto preferences > seller preferences > buyer requirements

Weeds out a lot of the whackos.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 4:38:55 PM EDT
I've done a few hundred transactions on ebay, buying and selling.  Had a total of TWO go sour.  

One seller of 500gr lead bullets took my $$ & never shipped the product then whined when I left negative feedback.  About 8 months later I got a msg from a mediator about withdrawing my neg feedback if we could resolve the transaction.  That failed as promptly as the first when the seller(ripoff) wanted more $$$ because HIS costs had increased since the time of the first transaction.

The other was a buyer used Buy It Now & would not reply to any emails for 1 week.  I sent one last FIRMLY worded msg and he replies within minutes complaining that I was trying to extort money from him and that he was going to have ebay ban me  After another week I left neg feedback, simply stating he was a non-paying bidder.  Nothing more.  Minutes later he replied/rebutted in jibberish.  I followed up with "non-paying bidder, head case too".

About two weeks later he was banned.


I have recently purchased AR15 parts on ebay and will continue to do so.  I will continue to use paypal for firearms transactions too.
Link Posted: 10/3/2005 5:04:12 PM EDT
You can still use the police if you get ripped off on ebay. a girl from the town I live in was selling concert tickets on ebay. some guy from out of state paid $400 for them. The guy just called and e-mailed the local police and went to the girls house. She said she won them from a local radio station. the station said they had no record of this. She had to refund the money. I heard this from the same officer who took care of this matter. I have to ask him if they could of charged the girl if she didn't pay back the money.
IF I SENT MONEY TO SOMEONE AND THEY DIDN'T SEND THE PRODUCTS I WOULD PAY THEM A VISIT. I'M JUST CRAZY LIKE THAT.I once drove 200 miles to get even with someone who stole something from me. lets just say his car didn't like being started without oil in it.mess with the bull you get the horns.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 4:20:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By valblade:
You can still use the police if you get ripped off on ebay. a girl from the town I live in was selling concert tickets on ebay. some guy from out of state paid $400 for them. The guy just called and e-mailed the local police and went to the girls house. She said she won them from a local radio station. the station said they had no record of this. She had to refund the money. I heard this from the same officer who took care of this matter. I have to ask him if they could of charged the girl if she didn't pay back the money.
IF I SENT MONEY TO SOMEONE AND THEY DIDN'T SEND THE PRODUCTS I WOULD PAY THEM A VISIT. I'M JUST CRAZY LIKE THAT.I once drove 200 miles to get even with someone who stole something from me. lets just say his car didn't like being started without oil in it.mess with the bull you get the horns.



Well that would be ticket scalping. Also she lied to a LEO about where she got the tickets. Much different than my situation.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 4:59:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/4/2005 5:02:44 AM EDT by monkeyman]
I bought and sold lots of stuff on Ebay and never had a problem.
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:23:03 AM EDT

Why do you think things on eBay are cheaper than you can buy in your local store?  

Because to get the cheaper price, you have to add a little something to the eBay price to make up the difference.  

It is called "risk".

Risk tolerance varies from individual to individual.  Adjust accordingly.

Link Posted: 10/4/2005 5:45:28 AM EDT
Your problem is with a person - not with Ebay or Paypal.  The Web does not cause certain bad behaviors - it only reflects the lacks of honesty and morals that are present throughout our society.

If you eliminated Ebay - do you think all these people would suddenly change their ethics?

CWO
Link Posted: 10/4/2005 6:01:53 AM EDT
Ebay sucks but you can use it to your advantage. I always state on anything electronic that it is sold AS IS and I put this in bold at the begining and the end. I also email the winner and let them know that it works in my machine or that I have no way to test it, make sure that they know there are no returns and it is billed as is, and things are fine.

He sounds like he is just trying to rip you off. Also get the paypal debit card and take out the cash IMEDIATELY after getting it, and only link it to a free bank account that you do not ever use that way they can't suck money out of it. If you learn to work the system you can come out on top

My worst situation I was selling a PDA and it went for $250. I had a buy it now on it and some kid bid on it. Then said his MOM wouldn't let him get it. Long story I had to relist it. Being computer equipment it looses value every month and i had to eat the commision and listing fee and relist as I didn't want to wait for ebay's 30days for non-paying. They don't have a policy for buyers who REFUSE to pay and tell you so. I'd like to beat that kid seven ways to silly, and kick his Moms ass and flatten her tires and stomp on their cat as well.
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