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Posted: 4/19/2017 5:24:40 PM EDT

It looks similar to this, but not the Rubicon.

2017 Wrangler Unlimited 4X4
3.5L V6 with 6 speed manual transmission
3.21 axle ratio
16" steel wheels
Color is Gobi with the black hardtop option

It will be used mostly for around-town driving in a mountainous area that gets several snows each winter.

FWIW, I put ~150k miles on a late '90s Cherokee and other than a clutch throwout mechanism going south, I had no significant problems. I really liked it.

Philosophically, I'm not a big fan of Chrysler because of poor management and having to be bailed out at our expense, but to get what I want, I may have to lower my standards.

I was originally wanting an SUV but can't find anything with true 4WD and manual transmission. I may be an old fart but I'll be damned if I going to buy an automatic transmission! I've never owned one and am too old to start now!

The major concerns are quality and reliability.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:25:44 PM EDT
Because it's not a CJ with a V8?
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:27:39 PM EDT
Because Just Empty Every Pocket?
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:28:36 PM EDT
For what those are going for I would get something for around town and then an older Jeep as a toy. 

Eta or a 4runner and give up some trail capability.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:29:25 PM EDT
American name, Fiat quality!


Fo!
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:29:46 PM EDT
Unless they changed them in should have a 3.6 pentastar engine.  The wife's needed and intake cam, exhaust cam and 12 lifters at 40k miles.  Got it back on Friday and traded it on Saturday.  Never again.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:29:58 PM EDT
Does your husband approve?
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:30:03 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:30:03 PM EDT
Because it's new and you'll incur the depreciation and sales tax.  Does it offer anything that a 2015 model with under 30k miles doesn't have?

The 2018 will have a total redesign, as I understand it.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:30:34 PM EDT
You shouldn't get that because it's not a Rubicon.  I hear a lot of JKU owners lament not just pulling the trigger and spending the negligible difference.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:31:43 PM EDT
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For what those are going for I would get something for around town and then an older Jeep as a toy. 
We also have my wife's Mazda 6. I just can't find a vehicle that I like.

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American name, Fiat quality!

Fo!
Fix It Again Tony!
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:32:00 PM EDT
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The Wrangler doesn't depreciate. It would be the only Chrysler product I'd buy.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:32:26 PM EDT
Depending on your desire for off-roading and mods, the 3.21 axles may not be your favorite. 

I have an older JK with the 6 speed and 3.21s, and it doesn't love hills. On flat ground, though, I'm approaching 20 mpg. 

The hard top seems to be a pain in the ass to remove regularly. Most people seem to settle for just removing the doors and not the top. 
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:33:15 PM EDT
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The Wrangler doesn't depreciate. It would be the only Chrysler product I'd buy.
I've heard that next year it will be completely redesigned.  I generally agree with you, but it seems when they change models the older ones can lose value.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:34:06 PM EDT
Because it's a hero
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:34:52 PM EDT
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I wish mine was a Rubicon, I got a good deal from my father in law. One day may even I'll get Dana 60 lockers and run 40's. But damn that's expensive.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:36:43 PM EDT
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Depending on your desire for off-roading and mods, the 3.21 axles may not be your favorite. 

I have an older JK with the 6 speed and 3.21s, and it doesn't love hills. On flat ground, though, I'm approaching 20 mpg. 

The hard top seems to be a pain in the ass to remove regularly. Most people seem to settle for just removing the doors and not the top. 
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I just bought a 2014 willys edition with the 3.61 gear ratio.   I have the auto, but the 3.61s are a good medium gear.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:39:59 PM EDT
You'll be hating that gear ratio....
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:40:50 PM EDT
3.21 gear set seems odd for an off-road rig.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:41:57 PM EDT
The problem with used Jeeps around her is that they're beat to shit by the time they're traded in.

It won't be going off-road much. I need the 4WD to get in and out of the valley when it snows.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:43:05 PM EDT
Too high geared, no torque for wind or hills.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:48:59 PM EDT
Also note that if you should decide to put bigger tires on, that 3.21 gearing really will kill your power curve and highway gas mileage.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:49:38 PM EDT
If it's the same 6-speed that I'm thinking of......NG something 375? Run away.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:56:42 PM EDT
I have 3.73's in my 2016, no complaints after 25,000 miles.Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 5:56:51 PM EDT
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Good point.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 6:01:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/19/2017 6:05:29 PM EDT
3.21s and mountains? No.  Especially with a taller tire.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 6:17:33 PM EDT
Do not buy with 3.21 gears at all ever.

Those are perfect for flat land highway driving and not much else.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 6:30:45 PM EDT
I have had O problems from my 2015 JKU rubicon, altho the GPS in the radio will always quit when you really need it.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 6:42:46 PM EDT
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So, you've had 1 problem.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 6:43:54 PM EDT
Because you'll get hit on by lots of dudes.

"Nice Jeep Bro! Check mine out!"

When you turn around is when they put their penis inside you.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 6:44:05 PM EDT
Previously mentioned, Just empty every pocket.  Its made by chrysler.  For what they want for one you can get a nice truck.  Only advantage of a jeep is a short wheelbase for tight areas off roading.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 8:04:43 PM EDT
I would get one with 3.73 gears over 3.21 buts that's not a huge deal breaker. The 3.21 you would have to buy new carriers to do a regear in the future.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 8:07:16 PM EDT
Because it is a Dodge/Jeep. Enough said
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 8:43:06 PM EDT
If you opt for the tow package from the factory it will come 3.73 instead of standard 3.21.

My '67 Kaiser is geared 5.89.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 8:45:03 PM EDT
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The perfect glass Jeep!

V-8 power with go cart size running gear.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 8:47:24 PM EDT
Because its not's a 4runner
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 9:04:08 PM EDT
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Eta or a 4runner and give up some trail capability.
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Capabilities would depend on model and it would be little to none with OPs description of use.

I have a Jeep/dedicated toy but my driver is a 2017 4runner TRD Off-Road which has electric locker and sway bar disconnect..ish, along with the crawl control stuff. Autos are and always have been more capable off road. That's and old school way of thinking. I would never in a million years buy a new Chrysler product and I'm done with GM too.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 9:29:24 PM EDT
The last full size SUV that came with a manual was the 2015 Nissan Xterra, if you hunt around you might find a decent mileage one.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 9:38:42 PM EDT
Bumping for the night crew.

Thanks for keeping 'em coming, guys. I'm taking notes.

Right now it looks like the only way I'm going to get a manual transmission is with the Wrangler or a Subaru Forester. A pickup truck isn't an option -- yet.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 9:42:33 PM EDT
I see these Jeeps everywhere.  It's like the new d-bag status symbol.

I'll admit - I don't get it.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 9:43:50 PM EDT
Four door Wrangler?  Why not just skip right to minivan and put a soccer ball sticker on the back window? 
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 9:51:10 PM EDT
1. Strongly encourage 3.73...
2. We've owned two 2-door JK's and 2 JKU's..... Either one is great.  However, we prefer the 2-door as it is primarily just the wife and I and it seems more 'traditional' and fun whereas the 4-door, for us, was more SUV like. If we have passengers, they are younger and can easily navigate into the backseat. Having said that, the 4 door is nice for hauling more 'stuff' and ease for passenger entry.  
If needed, you can take the backseat out of the 2-door and have plenty of room for 'stuff'.  
3. The premium top is worth the extra $$$ if you want the open air top down experience.  Much easier to handle. Looks better IMO.  Hard tops are good for winter, but, the soft top works as well, plus, it's just too much fun to drive with the top down when it's above 55 degrees and sunny.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:09:50 PM EDT
Cause it might slip out of neutral and kill you like it did Anton Yelchin.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:13:03 PM EDT
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This, get the Rubicon!
I've had 3 jeeps, including a Rubicon,  Dana 44's and lockers from the factory if you even think you may need 4wd to get home. buy used if that's what it takes.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:15:23 PM EDT
Just say no to 3.21 gears... Stupid manuals with that option.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:19:57 PM EDT
3.21 axles are a waste; even if you don't care, most people looking to buy later will.

Be prepared for the hard top to leak at the top of the A-pillar.   The fix isn't hard, but expect it to happen.


lol @ all the short wheelbase non-drivers that think the 4-door can't be taken places.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:27:25 PM EDT
Get the Rubicon so you can get 4.10s

Then open your wallet W I D E !

Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:32:32 PM EDT
Because it's not a flatfender with a flathead.
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:41:16 PM EDT
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More like "because it's not a MB with an L head" or "it's not a M38A1 with a F head".
Link Posted: 4/19/2017 10:43:47 PM EDT
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Thank you for this information. It was getting close to time for me buy one.

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